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valiant

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[FONT=Georgia, serif]Acts 20:28[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Take heed to yourselves, and to all the flock, in the which the Holy Ghost has made you bishops, to feed the church of God, which he purchased with his own blood.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Tit 2:13[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ; [/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]2Pe 1:1[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained a like precious faith with us in the righteousness of [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]our God and Saviour Jesus Christ:[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Rev 22:12-13[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to render to each man according as his work is. [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif](Compare 1.8 I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, which is and which was and which is to come, the Almighty).[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Heb 1:8-9[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] but of the Son he says,[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Your throne, [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]O God[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif], is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of your kingdom. Y[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]ou have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Col 2.8-9 and not after Christ: [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] for in him dwells [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]all the fulness of the Godhead bodily[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif],[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Php 2:5-11[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]who,[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] being in the form of God,[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] counted it not a prize to be on an equality with God, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men; and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]even[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] to death, yea, the death of the cross. Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave to him [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]the name which is above every name[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]; that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]things[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] in heaven and [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]things[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] on earth and [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]things[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Lord[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif], to the glory of God the Father. [/FONT]
 
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Allenbee said:
Sorry, but I assumed these are independent Bible students and not just rattling off Church teachings.
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I did not say a word about any church. I just said your post does not make any sense.
 
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Bronson said:
It might surprise you but there are things that God cannot do: God cannot lie, he cannot have evil thoughts, He cannot rule unjustly, He cannot deceive but He can love, God is the epitome of love, God is love, He is truth, He is Just and righteous. God can change his mind, and has done so, but in a proper judicial manner.
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When God wrapped Himself in flesh He could have done any of the things you say was impossible.
 
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If He wasn't given free will and been able to sin, then He wouldn't have really been man would He?
 
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Dagallen

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Bogadile said:
So the Son is eternally begotten, but is still not God? How can something be eternally begotten if it is a mere created being?

Jesus is either The Creator or created.
If Jesus was created, then are you not worshiping a created being. Idolatry???
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The flesh of Jesus was created, his spirit was not created, his flesh was of this world but his spirit was not of this world. His spirit was sent into this world and took on a flesh form.
 
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Dagallen said:
The flesh of Jesus was created, his spirit was not created, his flesh was of this world but his spirit was not of this world. His spirit was sent into this world and took on a flesh form.
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In this statement, you just confirmed that Jesus is God. "His spirit was not created" means that He is the uncreated Word (John 1:1). All other spirits were created by Him. As to "flesh form" let's keep it real simple. Jesus of Nazareth had a human body, since He was conceived supernaturally in a virgin's womb, but born just like any other human being with a human body.
 
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joefizz

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Bronson said:
It might surprise you but there are things that God cannot do: God cannot lie, he cannot have evil thoughts, He cannot rule unjustly, He cannot deceive but He can love, God is the epitome of love, God is love, He is truth, He is Just and righteous. God can change his mind, and has done so, but in a proper judicial manner.
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and your point is??????????????????????????????????????????????
if you are trying to insinuate that God is not all powerful,then do tell where the earth as well as every person and creature came from.
 
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joefizz

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joefizz said:
"is anything too hard for God"?
considering he made man and then woman out of man's rib nothing is too hard for God,is it impossible for God to be in body but also in spirit?
indeed for did he not speak through a burning bush to Moses?
indeed,if Jesus was not God made flesh then why in Jesus's being tempted of satan was Jesus not injured or better yet why did Satan not outright kill Jesus if he had no power over satan,also think ye it not strange that God did not speak but Jesus alone,if Jesus was not God made flesh then why did God not speak in protection of his son Jesus,answer...because God was Jesus,also a last very important point to further analyze if Jesus was not God made flesh whom was God and had almighty power then why is that after crucifixion,Jesus not only was in hell yet was not overcome by Satan,and not only exited hell but took the "keys" of hell as well before he resurrected,only one could have entered hell and exited hell with the "keys" of hell with satan not being able to stop him,and that is God whom is made manifest in three forms...
1.God,Father(original full glory form in which to look upon his face resulted in death!)
2.Jesus/Immanuel(God with us)/son of God/God made flesh(not as glorified form,but still he had almighty power!)

3.Holyspirit/Holy ghost(more discreet form which mainly consists of God speaking in an omni present form,through our minds,while still having his almighty power!)
all 3 are 1,God's forms he uses and has used to not only manifest but help his servsants in different ways,depending on the situation.
if ye still do not believe then look unto scripture further,for example when the disciples asked for Jesus to show them the father(God) but Jesus replied"why say ye show us the father?,for if you have seen the son then you have seen the father",may God bless you and guide you to your answer you seek!
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so many fast posts as usual.
 
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I think the better question is how many of you actually read the bible alongside the holy spirit,and let the holy spirit speak through you?,because using one's "own knowledge" is not as wise as letting the holy spirit teach you and speak through you.
 
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joefizz said:
I think the better question is how many of you actually read the bible alongside the holy spirit,and let the holy spirit speak through you?,because using one's "own knowledge" is not as wise as letting the holy spirit teach you and speak through you.
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most of us
 
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Bronson

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valiant said:
I consider that blasphemous in the extreme, You need to beware.



I leave to God what one said to another in eternity. It is not for us to know. But we have a conversation between God and the angel of YHWH on a number of occasions, and the Angel of YHWH was YHWH (Gen 13.15; 22.15-16)



Get behind me Satan. You are an offence to me. I cannot forget the Triune God, He is my Creator and my Saviour.
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whatever!!!!!
 
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Bronson

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joefizz said:
and your point is??????????????????????????????????????????????
if you are trying to insinuate that God is not all powerful,then do tell where the earth as well as every person and creature came from.
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You just don't want to pay attention do you, read the Bible.
 
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Bronson

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valiant said:
I consider that blasphemous in the extreme, You need to beware.



I leave to God what one said to another in eternity. It is not for us to know. But we have a conversation between God and the angel of YHWH on a number of occasions, and the Angel of YHWH was YHWH (Gen 13.15; 22.15-16)



Get behind me Satan. You are an offence to me. I cannot forget the Triune God, He is my Creator and my Saviour.
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How do you pronounce YHWH? How do other languages pronounce God's name? In your triune ie there three YHWH's?
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
In this statement, you just confirmed that Jesus is God. "His spirit was not created" means that He is the uncreated Word (John 1:1). All other spirits were created by Him. As to "flesh form" let's keep it real simple. Jesus of Nazareth had a human body, since He was conceived supernaturally in a virgin's womb, but born just like any other human being with a human body.
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Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. ( What does the above passage reveal to you about our spirits ? )
 
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Bronson

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Exactly right. Everything given life by God Almighty was also given a free will. Adam and Eve used their free will to disobey Jehovah.

The angels are given a free will, that is how Satan used his, and the myriads of wicked angles that followed Satan used their free will.

Question: When was Satan last spoken about as being in the heavenly realm.
 
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Dagallen

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Bronson said:
Exactly right. Everything given life by God Almighty was also given a free will. Adam and Eve used their free will to disobey Jehovah.

The angels are given a free will, that is how Satan used his, and the myriads of wicked angles that followed Satan used their free will.

Question: When was Satan last spoken about as being in the heavenly realm.
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I believe it speaks about it in Rev 12:8 I think.
 
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valiant

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Bronson said:
Exactly right. Everything given life by God Almighty was also given a free will. Adam and Eve used their free will to disobey Jehovah.

The angels are given a free will, that is how Satan used his, and the myriads of wicked angles that followed Satan used their free will.
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But now we have no free will until we are saved. We have a will bound by prejudice, upbringing, custom and ignorance,
 
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Dagallen said:
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. ( What does the above passage reveal to you about our spirits ? )
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The Hebrew word for "spirit" (ruach) can also apply to breath. This is simply speaking of the breath of life. God gives life to each person, and when people die they stop breathing. The souls and spirits of the unsaved and evildoers do not go to God. They go to Hades and will eventually go to Hell.

Also our spirits are within our souls, and our souls are within our bodies. But the whole person is a creature -- a created being. But you said that Jesus was an uncreated spirit and that can only apply to God. So now you must accept as true what you have said, and simply believe that Jesus is God.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
The Hebrew word for "spirit" (ruach) can also apply to breath. This is simply speaking of the breath of life. God gives life to each person, and when people die they stop breathing. The souls and spirits of the unsaved and evildoers do not go to God. They go to Hades and will eventually go to Hell.

Also our spirits are within our souls, and our souls are within our bodies. But the whole person is a creature -- a created being. But you said that Jesus was an uncreated spirit and that can only apply to God. So now you must accept as true what you have said, and simply believe that Jesus is God.
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Spirits are not created, spirit are given. The soul is two parts, the flesh part of the soul dies, the spiritual part of the soul goes back to God gave it, to do what he wishes to do with it. For the spiritual heart is the center of man, the spirit is life and when the spirit rises, the flesh dies.
 
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Dagallen said:
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. ( What does the above passage reveal to you about our spirits ? )
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That they return to God as they came from God (gen 2.7). His breath (or ruach) returns to Him.
 
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