REFORMED THEOLOGY CRITICS - BE CONSISTENT AND DON'T LISTEN TO REFORMED TEACHERS
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if how you folks are counting someone to be reformed tradition is someone who follows the tenets of the reformation and not only Calvinists then all protestants in that sense would count as reformed and since you folks are trying to say that all non protestant Christians are apostate you folks would argue that all non reformed theologians are irrelevant end of conversation that was easy although I would strongly disagree with everything about that frame of mind but that seems to be the sort of thought going on here
Well, thats it. Not every "great thinker" is actually an influential theologian in a daily life of normal Christians.
He can be great for few academics or for some individuals who discover him for themselves. To say he is not known between normal people is not taking him through "mud" like you said.
He can be great for few academics or for some individuals who discover him for themselves. To say he is not known between normal people is not taking him through "mud" like you said.
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I didn't call Lewis apostate, nor did I dismiss him as a thinker. Slow down and actually represent what I really said. Thanks.
In fact, he was one of two I would have considered influential in the given list. My point was he is considered catholic, though not formerly. I happen to like some of his writings and have watched all his movies, read his works.
Know what you're talking about and what others really said instead of offering slander and false accusations.
In fact, he was one of two I would have considered influential in the given list. My point was he is considered catholic, though not formerly. I happen to like some of his writings and have watched all his movies, read his works.
Know what you're talking about and what others really said instead of offering slander and false accusations.
R
See Post #107. Lewis was disqualified for holding to false Catholic doctrine. I did not hallucinate that.
The game on this thread goes thusly...
No one before the Protestant movement counts because they were apostate Catholics.
No one afterward counts if they are deemed apostate by our panel of judges.
The only qualifying contenders are therefore Calvinist-friendly theologians born after the 14th century.
Under such strict parameters, it's no big surprise to see the results.
The game on this thread goes thusly...
No one before the Protestant movement counts because they were apostate Catholics.
No one afterward counts if they are deemed apostate by our panel of judges.
The only qualifying contenders are therefore Calvinist-friendly theologians born after the 14th century.
Under such strict parameters, it's no big surprise to see the results.
Yeah, what you hallucinated was that I said he was apostate, something never stated by me. Maybe you're just a slanderous kind of guy, I don't know, all I can do is go by what you say and by your false accusations.
The statement from you was I called him apostate. Since that has been proven wrong and untrue you now act as if I said something altogether different.
Again.
Seems to be a pattern with you.
The statement from you was I called him apostate. Since that has been proven wrong and untrue you now act as if I said something altogether different.
Again.
Seems to be a pattern with you.
R
I honestly don't know why this is becoming so complicated. It's been made very clear that the Catholic church is deemed apostate in this thread (see post 103) and Lewis was henceforth disqualified for agreeing with them. You offered no other reason for his disqualification aside from his connection to the apostate Catholic church.
You can wiggle around the semantics of not putting his name in the same sentence as apostate, but for all intents and purposes, you called him that.
Everything always has to be complicated when Christians interact with each other. The Protestant Wars may no longer involve bullets or gunpowder, but the war is not over.
You can wiggle around the semantics of not putting his name in the same sentence as apostate, but for all intents and purposes, you called him that.
Everything always has to be complicated when Christians interact with each other. The Protestant Wars may no longer involve bullets or gunpowder, but the war is not over.
In the spirit of brotherly recognition, I shall.
1. CS Lewis
2. Ravi Zacharias
3. John Wesley
4. Jacobus Arminius (His actual writings were decent.)
5. Thomas Aquinas (Is that cheating?)
6. Jerome
7. Dostoevsky (not a theologian, but I had to throw in an Eastern Orthodox Christian of some stripe)
I could continue, but I'll keep it at 7.
1. CS Lewis
2. Ravi Zacharias
3. John Wesley
4. Jacobus Arminius (His actual writings were decent.)
5. Thomas Aquinas (Is that cheating?)
6. Jerome
7. Dostoevsky (not a theologian, but I had to throw in an Eastern Orthodox Christian of some stripe)
I could continue, but I'll keep it at 7.
Think about what everybody is saying and arguing about in this forum. We are making salvation our own creation from our experiences or knowledge. The Bible does not teach that Christ died for all mans sins throughout all time in history. If He did then all men would be saved irrespective of anything they could say or do. Many religions teach that Christ did indeed die for all sin throughout time, you (whosoever will) just have to accept Him and confess your sins (works) etc. But if you don't accept Him does He "un die" for their sins? Let's be somewhat logical about this. Also God has not offered His salvation equally to all men throughout time. Yes you can quote Romans 1 to try and get out from under this one but the truth is many countries never heard of the God of the Bible until the past two or three hundred years when missionaries showed up. Now to perpetuate these false gospels men quote Romans one and say that earth and nature are God's witnesses. But the Bible clearly says that salvation is by grace through faith. And that faith comes from hearing the Word of God. So without the Word of God, there is no chance for salvation. So all the primitive peoples around the world who did not have the Word of God for centuries had no chance for salvation. So does that make God unfair? In our sin cursed eyes it would seem so. But God said in His Word that He would have mercy on those he chooses too. And that those that are not His he would blind their eyes so they could not see the truth. His truth. It's all in the Bible, clearly for us to read. We just have to stop trying to be God and making sure He abides by our sinful vision of fairness. Also it is not a good thing to criticize or insult or badmouth a person just because they are not following the truths of the Bible. No one knows who God's elect are. Just because a person is in a wrong religion today doesn't mean that God didn't choose them before the foundations of the earth and has yet to open their spiritual eyes and save them. So in conclusion everyone has the freedom to follow whatever they want to. When the truths of the Bible are revealed to God's elect they will be changed and follow in the good works God has ordained for them to do (See Ephesians 2:10). If anyone needs any specific Scripture to back this up all they have to do is ask or research and read it for themselves. But they won't unless God has opened their spiritual eyes to see and seek the truth. We as true believers cannot hold it against those whom God has not chosen. We are not God! (Does the clay say to the potter why did you make me thus?)
Depends on how we want to define "non-reformed".
If like "somebody willingly rejecting theology of the protestant reformation", then we cannot use Jerome and Aquinas.
And Arminius with Wesley would belong to the protestant reformation camp.
If we define "non-reformed" as "not a 5 points Calvinist, living in whatever era", then yes.
BTW I have no idea who is Ravi Zacharias, but you mentioned him several times... is he somehow important in the USA? What has he done or written?
If like "somebody willingly rejecting theology of the protestant reformation", then we cannot use Jerome and Aquinas.
And Arminius with Wesley would belong to the protestant reformation camp.
If we define "non-reformed" as "not a 5 points Calvinist, living in whatever era", then yes.
BTW I have no idea who is Ravi Zacharias, but you mentioned him several times... is he somehow important in the USA? What has he done or written?
OK, I do not want to spend 50 minutes on the video, I watched for about 5 min and so far I can tell he is a "my life" story teller and tries to make audience laugh.
I tried to jump to the middle and he was again telling some story about Holland or something.
So, still, what is so special about him?
Why is he influential to you?
I tried to jump to the middle and he was again telling some story about Holland or something.
So, still, what is so special about him?
Why is he influential to you?
OK, I do not want to spend 50 minutes on the video, I watched for about 5 min and so far I can tell he is a "my life" story teller and tries to make audience laugh.
I tried to jump to the middle and he was again telling some story about Holland or something.
So, still, what is so special about him? Why is he influential to you?
I tried to jump to the middle and he was again telling some story about Holland or something.
So, still, what is so special about him?
Why is he influential to you?