The Rapture

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Ahwatukee

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Utter hogwash. Go back to sleep Snoozy.
Snoozy's graph is right on PlainWord! When are you guys going to understand that these are events that are still to come, not things that happened in the past. Don't you understand that these events bring an end to the current age, with Christ physically reigning on this earth from Jerusalem?

Since we can see the technology of the mark, which is active in Sweden and in her sister countries and is now introduced here in America, it won't be long before we begin to see people making purchases with hands being scanned in replacement of card swiping.

If this mark which is directly connected with the revealing of the beast is now emerging, how can you continue to believe in a past fulfillment? How long is it going to take you to understand that these events of the gathering of the church, the mark, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, are events that are yet to come?

The idea that Jesus already came in 70 AD is HOGWASH! By believing in this only the church up to the destruction of the temple in 70 AD would have received the promises given by the Lord, which would leave out the majority of the church from the second century to this present time out of those promises.

The promise of the resurrection would include every believer from the on-set of the church until the time of the resurrection, with those believers who are still alive at that time being changed and caught up. Therefore, when the dead in Christ are resurrected and the living believers are changed and caught up, you will have the entire church from beginning to end gathered in the same place, at the same time. From there and according to the promise of John 14:1-3, the Lord will take the entire church back to the Father's house to those dwelling places that he went to prepare for us.

You have no idea of the severity and magnitude of God's wrath which quickly coming.
 
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VCO

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lol. Agree or disagree?

How to make God laugh. Tell him your plans.

How to make God groan. Show him your eschatology.

How to make God weep. Show him a Futurist eschatology...
You almost got that right, you ONLY had one Word WRONG.

Futurist should be Preterist.
 

Ahwatukee

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hey uce nice to see u writing on this article. i found that chart on the internet and i dont know how to make them, not big on computer science. i think its good.
can u show us tha one u made on da excel? i think charts is a good way to teach da people in a short time, sometimes u only got an hour to explain it and its so much information regarding end times that u just gotta have a chart to help fly through to get da big points covered to da people.
God bless u.
If you have Excel I can send it to your email. Just send me a private message with your email address and I'll send it to you.
 

Ahwatukee

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The bowl judgments, which is the wrath of God, does not come until after the seventh trump return of Christ.
The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are all God's wrath and should remain together. You pay no attention to the details of Revelation, which is important. Consider the following:

"I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues—last, because with them God’s wrath is completed. "

According to the verse above, the bowl judgments are the last plagues of wrath, which means that if they are last, then there would have to be plagues of wrath that will first, i.e. wrath that comes before them. Besides this, we have an announcement in each set of seven plagues as being God's wrath.

Seals/Trumpets/Bowls = God's wrath
 

Ahwatukee

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The bowl judgments, which is the wrath of God, does not come until after the seventh trump return of Christ.
By the way, the seventh trumpet is not synonymous with the "lasts trumpet" of 1 Cor.15:52. The seven trumpets are plagues of wrath and have nothing to do with the "last trumpet." In addition, scripture states that Christ doesn't return to the earth to end the age until after the seventh bowl judgment. For after the 6th bowl is poured out, Jesus says the following:

"Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who remains awake and clothed, so that he will not go naked and let his shame be exposed.”

If Jesus is interjecting the above after the 6th bowl has been poured out, how can he return at the 7th trumpet which takes place before the bowl judgments?
 
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The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are all God's wrath and should remain together. You pay no attention to the details of Revelation, which is important. Consider the following:

"I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues—last, because with them God’s wrath is completed. "

According to the verse above, the bowl judgments are the last plagues of wrath, which means that if they are last, then there would have to be plagues of wrath that will first, i.e. wrath that comes before them. Besides this, we have an announcement in each set of seven plagues as being God's wrath.

Seals/Trumpets/Bowls = God's wrath
Once again you deny what Jesus said in Matthew 24:21 when He said GREAT TRIBULATION shall come.
You continue to say Jesus did not tell the truth.
You continue to change the Word of God to prove what you believe.
I believe the Word of God.
Great tribulation will come.
The wrath of God is the seven bowls that do not come until the seventh trump sounds and Jesus returns, just as Revelation 16 states.
 
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By the way, the seventh trumpet is not synonymous with the "lasts trumpet" of 1 Cor.15:52. The seven trumpets are plagues of wrath and have nothing to do with the "last trumpet." In addition, scripture states that Christ doesn't return to the earth to end the age until after the seventh bowl judgment. For after the 6th bowl is poured out, Jesus says the following:

"Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who remains awake and clothed, so that he will not go naked and let his shame be exposed.”

If Jesus is interjecting the above after the 6th bowl has been poured out, how can he return at the 7th trumpet which takes place before the bowl judgments?
Revelation 11:18

"And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is COME-----"
 
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Revelation 11:18

"And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is COME-----"
this is about seals not trumpets or vials:

Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

u are one of those who play tha difference between tribulation and wrath thing.
this is truth let me explain the difference:

tribulation is what satan and da world does to us, christians are and have always been persecuted.
seals trumpets and vials are God's wrath which we are not appointed for:

1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

da proof for seals trumpets and vials being da wrath of God and not tha wrath of satan or da world is that the Lamb is da one opening da seals:

Rev 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
 
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this is about seals not trumpets or vials:

Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

u are one of those who play tha difference between tribulation and wrath thing.
this is truth let me explain the difference:

tribulation is what satan and da world does to us, christians are and have always been persecuted.
seals trumpets and vials are God's wrath which we are not appointed for:

1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

da proof for seals trumpets and vials being da wrath of God and not tha wrath of satan or da world is that the Lamb is da one opening da seals:

Rev 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
So you also believed that Jesus lied when He said "GREAT TRIBULATION".
 
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this is about seals not trumpets or vials:

Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

u are one of those who play tha difference between tribulation and wrath thing.
this is truth let me explain the difference:

tribulation is what satan and da world does to us, christians are and have always been persecuted.
seals trumpets and vials are God's wrath which we are not appointed for:

1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

da proof for seals trumpets and vials being da wrath of God and not tha wrath of satan or da world is that the Lamb is da one opening da seals:

Rev 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
Who made the announcement that God's wrath has come in Rev. 6?
That did not come from God, from an angle, or from Heaven, it came from men who were blaming God for their troubles.
 

Atlanta_GA

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You Are living In the tribulation and the rapture is a feel good lie.
 
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So you also believed that Jesus lied when He said "GREAT TRIBULATION".
no, there shall be da greatest tribulation of all time upon da earth.
who said there wasnt? what are u talking about.
 

PlainWord

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says the guy who is saying only 0.1% of christians were in da rapture and were resurrected. ive never heard anyone teach what u are teaching no church teaches that, there were a few bozos teaching da resurrection already happened in the bible, paul mentioned them, u fall under da same category.
u are calling bible teaching utter hogwash thats not a good sign.
u didnt even post any scripture telling me why im wrong.

id like to see ur chart. its probably empty.
If everyone told you to jump off a cliff and flap your arms and you would be able to fly like a bird, would you? Seriously, the reason most of the churches today preach the same thing regarding eschatology is that their pastors all went to the same handful of theological seminaries and the false doctrine spread around the globe via their missionaries. "Poison 5-6 wells around the town and kill all the people."

The chart is so flawed there is no point in pointing them all out. A major flaw I will point out is the chart is only one dimensional. It completely ignores the spiritual realm to which we all belong and all our saved brethren before us. You need either two charts or one chart showing both realms (physical and spiritual). This chart combines both realms into just the earthly physical realm. WHAT A HUGE ERROR!!!

If I find some time, maybe I'll draw up a correct chart for you and post it.
 

VCO

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When this comes at the end of time I will be ready

I suggest you read the Trinity Discussion, then apologise,
WE BELIEVE THE SPIRIT IN THE FLESH OF JESUS IS YAHWEH, DO YOU? YES OR NO.


Isaiah 43:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.


Luke 2:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Today a Savior, who is Messiah the Lord, was born for you in the city of David.


Malachi 3:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] "For I, the LORD, do not change;
therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed.
 
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If everyone told you to jump off a cliff and flap your arms and you would be able to fly like a bird, would you? Seriously, the reason most of the churches today preach the same thing regarding eschatology is that their pastors all went to the same handful of theological seminaries and the false doctrine spread around the globe via their missionaries. "Poison 5-6 wells around the town and kill all the people."

The chart is so flawed there is no point in pointing them all out. A major flaw I will point out is the chart is only one dimensional. It completely ignores the spiritual realm to which we all belong and all our saved brethren before us. You need either two charts or one chart showing both realms (physical and spiritual). This chart combines both realms into just the earthly physical realm. WHAT A HUGE ERROR!!!

If I find some time, maybe I'll draw up a correct chart for you and post it.
all past fulfilled prophecies were fulfilled literally so its a good sign da future ones will be too. why cant folks just believe the bible.
this spiritual babble is alexandrian. read about it.
 

VCO

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Snoozy's graph is right on PlainWord! When are you guys going to understand that these are events that are still to come, not things that happened in the past. Don't you understand that these events bring an end to the current age, with Christ physically reigning on this earth from Jerusalem?

Since we can see the technology of the mark, which is active in Sweden and in her sister countries and is now introduced here in America, it won't be long before we begin to see people making purchases with hands being scanned in replacement of card swiping.

If this mark which is directly connected with the revealing of the beast is now emerging, how can you continue to believe in a past fulfillment? How long is it going to take you to understand that these events of the gathering of the church, the mark, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, are events that are yet to come?

The idea that Jesus already came in 70 AD is HOGWASH! By believing in this only the church up to the destruction of the temple in 70 AD would have received the promises given by the Lord, which would leave out the majority of the church from the second century to this present time out of those promises.

The promise of the resurrection would include every believer from the on-set of the church until the time of the resurrection, with those believers who are still alive at that time being changed and caught up. Therefore, when the dead in Christ are resurrected and the living believers are changed and caught up, you will have the entire church from beginning to end gathered in the same place, at the same time. From there and according to the promise of John 14:1-3, the Lord will take the entire church back to the Father's house to those dwelling places that he went to prepare for us.

You have no idea of the severity and magnitude of God's wrath which quickly coming.


I think it was RIGHT ON TOO, in fact it is the best one that I have ever seen.
SIMPLE, TO THE POINT, AND ABSOLUTELY BIBLICAL!
 

VCO

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Yes, have you?



Because I don't like your attitude.



YES I AM READY, to the point that I literally can expect HIM at any DAY or ANY Hour.
I have been READY ever since the last week of December 1977, when after my third attempt at suicide, I SURRENDERED to JESUS CHRIST AS LORD AND MASTER, BECAUSE I LOVE HIM.

What attitude, Every born again CHRISTIAN I know can HONESTLY SAY:
I believe the Spirit in the flesh of JESUS is YAHWEH.


Over the past year I have asked you that question, at least three different times on three different threads, and you have never given me a straight answer.
 
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VCO

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all past fulfilled prophecies were fulfilled literally so its a good sign da future ones will be too. why cant folks just believe the bible.
this spiritual babble is alexandrian. read about it.

So PlainWord must be looking in a mirror at his one twisted theology again.