Not By Works

[Stunnedbygrace]

A man man is saying one can lose salvation, thus he determines salvation to be a reward not a gift,

so yes, I just determine what I see

and you are still showing you do not understand my view, so please, stop yelling at me, when your doing the very thing your claiming I am doing,

eiher agree to disagree, show you understand what I am saying or are willing to try to understand, or please stop.

...I didn't yell at you...

 

[stonesoffire]

Here, put these OSAS glasses on and it'll make perfect sense.

uh..no..not yet. Does your NOSAS glasses explain? Please advise if so.

 

[Meggido]

huh

I was thinking of 2 wks on horseback in the Rockies or I guess Montana or something...Colorado is getting too crowded

we've been married over 17 years

better check his pulse. that's a long time.

Colorado is only getting crowded because of the legal recreational use of pot....

 

[stonesoffire]

Here is a pickle for you: Are those who DO NOT believe in eternal security, and teach you must be baptized to be saved and continue in some sort of purity (like the churches of Christ teach) saved?

What I want to know is who ate the pickle?

 

[Meggido]

ha

or more like go out west in the winter months for a vacation cause I do like snow

skunks, gators, panthers, bears, racoons by the boatload, armidillos, turtles galore, birds of all kinds (love when the mockingbirds sing) and butterflies with huge wings and this is not good, but fire ants too

fire ants...

I think one of our dogs stepped on a nest the other day




no grizzlies...just black bears

oh and turkeys and buzzards...gangs of stuff really

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What!?!?! you did not mention a thing about the skeeters that can and will carry off your first born....and the creature from the black lagoon..

 

[Meggido]

Yes, they did. But unfortunately, the dinosaurs usually got them.

Not true...EG asked God to make toys at creation and he/we got the duck billed platypus....Adam and EG were never the same after that....

 

[stonesoffire]

Don't need 'em. Non OSAS doesn't need any help to be seen in the plain words of the Bible.

No, now don't deflect. We are discussing common core math. It is common core, right? Have no little ones now.

 

[stonesoffire]

Ugh. I hate it when people say stuff like that

Do you like Trudeau Magenta?

 

[Meggido]

Oh that explains it all...
Do you know that other men say you lose a man card everytime you take one of those little dogs for a walk?

I retain my man card because my 2 take this old man for a walk....

When men see that, they give me their cards...I have those pups well trained....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, let's play it again. Perhaps I should post the verses of scripture again that go with that song. But you'll have to take your OSAS glasses off to see them.

See what. That God will not finish what he promised to start?

your right, I will never see it, take you non osas glasses of and see gods promises,

 

[Meggido]

Here is a pickle for you: Are those who DO NOT believe in eternal security, and teach you must be baptized to be saved and continue in some sort of purity (like the churches of Christ teach) saved?

Water baptism saves nobody...no offense to our Church of Christ brothers and sisters on this thread...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

...I didn't yell at you...

Do you understand what I am saying yet?

 

[stonesoffire]

Right, that is correct. That's why we need to stay in Christ through continued believing. You have to be in his hand to have the promise of never being able to be snatched out.

Did you ever consider just how large His hand must be to keep us all?

I had a picture when first born again. No way to fall off.

 

[Meggido]

A man man is saying one can lose salvation, thus he determines salvation to be a reward not a gift,

so yes, I just determine what I see

and you are still showing you do not understand my view, so please, stop yelling at me, when your doing the very thing your claiming I am doing,

eiher agree to disagree, show you understand what I am saying or are willing to try to understand, or please stop.

bro...the man is saying you can stop believing and walk away from it...he has never stated you can lose it and neither have I....

Nobody loses their salvation it is a gift from God...I can stop believing and the gift is still there...I did not lose the gift... I stopped believing in it and just kept it up in top shelf of the closet with the rest of the ugly sweaters or ties I never wear anymore....

I am offering a real olive branch here bro....

 

[PHart]

he says already condemned, (perfect tense)because of unbelief,

your the one hat said it means fell back into condemnation, not me,

'Never' believed is not in the text. The one who believes is not condemned, while the one who doesn't believe is condemned.

 

[PHart]

Did you ever consider just how large His hand must be to keep us all?

I had a picture when first born again. No way to fall off.

What do all the warnings and admonitions to keep believing mean to you then? The Bible itself doesn't seem to think his hand was too big to fall off from.

 

[PHart]

Do you like Trudeau Magenta?

Who is Trudeau Magenta?

 

[stonesoffire]

'Never' believed is not in the text. The one who believes is not condemned, while the one who doesn't believe is condemned.

Initially for conversion. Conversion is an experience, not just a mental acknowledgement.

 

[PHart]

See what. That God will not finish what he promised to start?

The promise is conditioned on you continuing to believe and trust in him to finish what he started.

Are you saying he will finish it even if you stop believing (H-grace doctrine)? Or are you saying the true believer can never stop believing?

 

[stonesoffire]

Who is Trudeau Magenta?

Hey, this ain't English class!