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Dino246

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Why are you deliberately avoiding the connection between verses 12 and 13?

...and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight...
I still contest that it is referring to God, as in, the word, the eyes, and the sight of God. It does say, "of him with whom we have to do".
 
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Other countries haven't had to deal with...

Gail Riplinger
Peter Ruckman
Sam Gipp
Steven Anderson

Just to name a few...
I like Steven Anderson, he is very entertaining. But I must say, sometimes he does go a liiitle too far. I saw his 'debate' with James White, my goodness. Anderson believes Jesus burned in hell for 3 days, and that someone cannot be saved unless atleast one KJV Verse is quoted to them..
 
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I like Steven Anderson, he is very entertaining. But I must say, sometimes he does go a liiitle too far. I saw his 'debate' with James White, my goodness. Anderson believes Jesus burned in hell for 3 days, and that someone cannot be saved unless atleast one KJV Verse is quoted to them..
Stay away from Anderson. He is for killing gay ppl. I have serious doubts about his conversion. He's a charlatan.
 
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I like Steven Anderson, he is very entertaining. But I must say, sometimes he does go a liiitle too far. I saw his 'debate' with James White, my goodness. Anderson believes Jesus burned in hell for 3 days, and that someone cannot be saved unless atleast one KJV Verse is quoted to them..
Debate? What debate? It was a conversation at best. Anderson knew better than to debate Dr. White. He'd have eaten his breakfast, drank his milk and took his lunch money in a debate.

IIRC, Anderson blasted Dr. White afterwards, but played civil in front of him. That's a coward.
 
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metrodonut

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The Scriptures - 66 books; Genesis to Revelations - of various versions testify about our Lord Jesus Christ (John 5:39-47), not a true mean to receive an eternal life. One may spend a lifetime studying the Scriptures - the Textus Receptus; the original KJV or the most "correct" version - diligently on its own merits yet not saved, only through Christ can one be saved. For Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life (John 14:6). Indeed, it is by grace we have been saved, through faith (Hebrews 11:1)—and this is not from ourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast (Ephesians 2:8-9). Among us (Matthew 22:14), no one else is able to come to Christ unless Father draws them to His Son (John 6:44). The chosen ones, whom Father has chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4), Jesus says He will never cast out any nor lose any but that He should give new life and raise them all up at the last day (John 6:37, 39).
 

trofimus

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Debate? What debate? It was a conversation at best.
I have noticed that we, non-native English speakers, use frequently words "debate" and "conversation" as synonyms... thats probably because they are used so in our native languages :)

I have been corrected about this several times, too.

I understand the difference, but habit is habit...
 

trofimus

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Exactly my point. Scripture is equated with the word of God. The word of God and Scripture is interchangeable.
It is not. You just do not understand the vocabulary of Paul.

But it will be so difficult to prove to you.... because you are a hardcore literalist.
 

trofimus

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Are you saying Hebrews 4:12 is about the Bible?
What else?

And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God (Eph 6:17).
And this is a perfect example of how any Bible translation falls short in details. And how many things are actually lost in any translation.

Heb 4:12
Ζῶν γὰρ ὁ λόγος τοῦ θεοῦ
Zón gar Ho Logos tu Theu - Because the Word of God is living...

vs.

Eph 6:17
Καὶ τὴν περικεφαλαίαν τοῦ σωτηρίου δέξασθαι, καὶ τὴν μάχαιραν τοῦ πνεύματος, ὅ ἐστιν ῥῆμα θεοῦ
réma Theu - sayings of God

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Even though it seems to be about the same thing in English translation, it is not. Two different words (even with differences in definite article) are translated in the same way.
 
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trofimus

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I have given you a link in another thread. Just go to BibleHub.com and you will find a Finnish Reformation Bible.
So when some translation is a reformation Bible, it means it is perfect, inspired and infallible?
 

John146

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Other countries haven't had to deal with...

Gail Riplinger
Peter Ruckman
Sam Gipp
Steven Anderson

Just to name a few...
or James White and other bible correcters...

And there are groups in those countries that believe in the KJV as the word of God preserved in English.
 

Angela53510

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Just to note, I was raised on the KJV! I even read it in my own, as a young teenager. But, the language was so foreign, I never understood the gospel. So, I was not saved!

Then, I felt God calling me. Not knowing any better, I bought a modern Catholic bible, which is actually an excellent translation. But the footnotes were pure garbage. Attempts to explain away everything that didn't agree with Catholic doctrine, so I stopped reading the footnotes!

But, I was still blinded! I didn't "get" the gospel. I kept circling things I didn't understand, question marks in the margin. Then, my future husband clearly explained the parts I was missing, and my need for repentance, and to turn from my sin. Then Jesus showed me he was real!

Suddenly, I understood that being born from above is all about Jesus! The Holy Spirit showed me this! And then I understood that, all those parts of the Bible I didn't understand were about Jesus! The book explained Jesus, but it was Jesus who saved me, not the book. Because Jesus is the living word!

Not to worry! I soon replaced the Catholic Bible for a NASB for the next 25 years which God used to teach me many things! I am grateful God saves us no matter which Bible translation we use!
 

John146

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I truly hope this is not the answer they give. But the scary thing is, they dodge my question so i hope that they do not think my grandma is not saved because she does not read the right manuscript bible.

I have noted that *anyversiononlyism* is an american thing entirely. No group in Europe Africa or Asia holds to anything like that.
One is not corrupt or all are corrupt and according to you, all are corrupt.
 

trofimus

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or James White and other bible correcters...
Bible can be corrected, because Bible is not perfect. You also try to correct NIV very often.

Word of God is perfect.
 

John146

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Just to note, I was raised on the KJV! I even read it in my own, as a young teenager. But, the language was so foreign, I never understood the gospel. So, I was not saved!
I don't get this. It's hard to understand the following?

"1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
 

John146

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Bible can be corrected, because Bible is not perfect. You also try to correct NIV very often.

Word of God is perfect.
I use the bible to correct me. I leave the bible alone.
 

trofimus

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One is not corrupt or all are corrupt and according to you, all are corrupt.
What is the perfect and infallible translation in Czech language? Or do Czechs have to learn old English to get saved?
 

trofimus

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I use the bible to correct me. I leave the bible alone.
You use words wrongly.

You actually correct Bibles like NIV very often.

The problem is that you use very different vocabulary than the rest of population. For you, Bible = KJV. For the rest of us, KJV = translation/version of Bible.
 

John146

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What is the perfect and infallible translation in Czech language? Or do Czechs have to learn old English to get saved?
I cannot answer that. I am only concerned with the English translation. And no, one can get saved reading just about any version as long as it contains the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for our sins. It is more difficult to see in some more that others.
 

John146

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You use words wrongly.

You actually correct Bibles like NIV very often.

The problem is that you use very different vocabulary than the rest of population. For you, Bible = KJV. For the rest of us, KJV = translation/version of Bible.
I don't consider the niv Scripture, the preserved word of God.
 

trofimus

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I cannot answer that. I am only concerned with the English translation. And no, one can get saved reading just about any version as long as it contains the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for our sins. It is more difficult to see in some more that others.
Ah... so you differ very much from for example Steven Anderson. He says that you must actually read the KJV to be saved.

So you believe we can be saved when reading NIV, ESV, NASB, even paraphrases as long as they contain the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus for our sins?