Proof Jesus was God

[justoneman]

I have a sincere question; my tone is neutral and while I honestly respect your right to your belief (as this is a feature of creation and every man and woman has his/her own free will to inquire as they choose) I am genuinely interested if there is anyone who can provide any sort of proof that Jesus was God.

Before you reply, please try to observe (what I feel to be) are some "given" rules:

1. You may only quote Jesus directly; not someone describing Jesus.
2. It must be unambiguous (not your own interpretation; plain language)

Please; I am not at all interested in what any other "authority" may have said about Jesus, or what they may have described him as; all that is imperative is what Jesus described himself as.

And, go!

Bonus question: When/where did Jesus ever ask/expect one to worship him?

 

[CherieR]

From what I have read in Scripture, I don't see Jesus himself saying worship me, but he did accept worship on various occasions. Jesus said to Satan when Satan tried to get Jesus to worship him, " Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and him only shalt thou serve". ( Matthew 4:10). So by these words and by his actions, Jesus was saying he is God. Otherwise, Jesus would be a hypocrite for accepting worship if he was not God. Jesus also said of himself in Matthew 26:64: " Nevertheless, I say to you, you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven" In response to this the high priest said he spoke blasphemy( Matthew 26:65). Jesus was referring to Daniel 7:13-14. It says " I was watching in the night visions, and behold, one like the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him near before him. Then to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all people's, nations, and languages shall serve him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom the one which shall not be destroyed." Notice that everyone is serving the Son of Man, and yet God would only have himself to be served. Jesus said, " Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."( John 8:58). This was a reference to Exodus 3:14 when God said to Moses " I AM WHO I AM" And he said, " Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ' I AM has sent me to you".

 

[mailmandan]

Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” Look at the Jews reaction in John 10:33 - The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." The Jews understood Jesus’ statement to be a claim to be God. In the following verses, Jesus never corrects the Jews by saying, “I did not claim to be God.” That indicates Jesus was truly saying He was God by declaring, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30).

John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, "I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM." Again, in response, the Jews take up stones in an attempt to stone Jesus (John 8:59). Why would the Jews want to stone Jesus if He hadn’t said something they believed to be blasphemous, namely, a claim to be God? John repeatedly tells us of the Lord's connection to "I Am". See John: 4:26, 8:24, 8:28, 8:58, and 13:19.

The Apostle Paul tells us that Jesus "..is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him: And he is before all things, and by Him all things consist." (Colossians 1:15-17)

Hebrews 1:8 - But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.

John 1:1 clearly says - In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and “the Word was God.” John 1:14 says that “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us”. This clearly indicates that Jesus is God in the flesh.

Colossians 2:9 (NKJV) For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Colossians 2:9 - (Amplified) For in Him all the fullness of Deity (the Godhead) dwells in bodily form [completely expressing the divine essence of God].

Matthew 1:23 - Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are ONE God in essence/nature; yet they are three distinct persons. *JESUS IS GOD.

 

[PennEd]

The ONLY explicit time Jesus allowed Himself to be worshiped was during His Triumphal entry a week before His crucifixion.

Not only did He allow it, but said if the people didn't praise Him the very stones would cry out His praise.

He expected Israel to KNOW that this was the exact day that the Messiah would present Himself, foretold in Daniel, and by other prophets.

 

[justoneman]

From what I have read in Scripture, I don't see Jesus himself saying worship me, but he did accept worship on various occasions. Jesus said to Satan when Satan tried to get Jesus to worship him, " Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and him only shalt thou serve". ( Matthew 4:10). So by these words and by his actions, Jesus was saying he is God. Otherwise, Jesus would be a hypocrite for accepting worship if he was not God. Jesus also said of himself in Matthew 26:64: " Nevertheless, I say to you, you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven" In response to this the high priest said he spoke blasphemy( Matthew 26:65). Jesus was referring to Daniel 7:13-14. It says " I was watching in the night visions, and behold, one like the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him near before him. Then to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all people's, nations, and languages shall serve him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom the one which shall not be destroyed." Notice that everyone is serving the Son of Man, and yet God would only have himself to be served. Jesus said, " Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."( John 8:58). This was a reference to Exodus 3:14 when God said to Moses " I AM WHO I AM" And he said, " Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ' I AM has sent me to you".

I'm sorry but I contest these outright.

In reference to the Satan scenario, Jesus referred to Lord thy God as another entity; he used "him" not I or similar.
In reference to the Son of Man, this is a) Not God and b) ambiguous
In reference to I Am; he is placing himself within chronology - it has nothing to do with God.

To be clear; I am asking where Jesus declared himself as God.

Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” Look at the Jews reaction in John 10:33 - The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." The Jews understood Jesus’ statement to be a claim to be God. In the following verses, Jesus never corrects the Jews by saying, “I did not claim to be God.” That indicates Jesus was truly saying He was God by declaring, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30).

"I and the Father are one" does not mean "I am God". It means he is paying absolute attention to "the Father" or God, not God himself!

John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, "I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM." Again, in response, the Jews take up stones in an attempt to stone Jesus (John 8:59). Why would the Jews want to stone Jesus if He hadn’t said something they believed to be blasphemous, namely, a claim to be God? John repeatedly tells us of the Lord's connection to "I Am". See John: 4:26, 8:24, 8:28, 8:58, and 13:19.

I contest this whole "I am" being God; when Moses asked by what name/authority he should go by, God simply gave him "I am that I am". This doesn't at all indicate god is identifying himself as that; he is merely telling Moses what to TELL them. I am that I am, just as you are that you are. A bee is a bee. Moses told them; I am that I am. This is not God.

The Apostle Paul tells us that Jesus "..is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him: And he is before all things, and by Him all things consist." (Colossians 1:15-17)

I don't care what others say about Jesus; I made this clear in the original post.

Hebrews 1:8 - But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.

John 1:1 clearly says - In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and “the Word was God.” John 1:14 says that “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us”. This clearly indicates that Jesus is God in the flesh.

Colossians 2:9 (NKJV) For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Colossians 2:9 - (Amplified) For in Him all the fullness of Deity (the Godhead) dwells in bodily form [completely expressing the divine essence of God].

Matthew 1:23 - Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are ONE God in essence/nature; yet they are three distinct persons. *JESUS IS GOD.

'I and the Father are one" does not mean "I am God". To be one with your instructor does not make you the instructor!

Otherwise no relevance as per above.

I was very clear with my caution not to include anything Jesus himself does not say. I do pray we read things carefully, because, you know, it is important, especially given the weight of the topic.

 

[tourist]

It's not that Jesus 'was' God but rather Jesus 'is' God.

 

[IamWhoIam]

Exodus 3:14
14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I am has sent me to you.’

I AM the Bread of Life (John 6:35, 41, 48, 51); I AM the Light of the World (John 8:12); I AM the Door of the Sheep (John 10:7, 9); I AM the Good Shepherd (John 10:11,14); I AM the Resurrection and the Life (John 11:25); I AM the Way, the Truth and the Life (John 14:6); and I AM the True Vine (John 15:1, 5).

 

[mj007]

Doesn't appear people want to quote Jesus directly, but they do like to fabricate to what they 'think' is true. However he did say:

"Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." which kind of says that he is not talking about himself?

In Revelations an Angel said:

“Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!” And he added, “These are the true words of God.”At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus.”

Which kind of puts Jesus and God and 2 separate items.

I guess people hear what they want to hear. But to me, Jesus was a physical tangible person who became one with God, and God is everything, God is all knowing. When I pray I pray to God, it feels kind of silly praying to Jesus - praying to a person??

I think people are quick to worship a person, just like in modern reality people are quick to worship Justin Bieber or any celebrity with some high status. It doesn't mean they connect to or understand that person as a real human being, and often it is the opposite. They prefer to see that celebrity as some magical God-like human being on a pedestal. I suspect people even pray to people like Michael Jackson now that he has died. But it is not praying to God. It is making an 'idol' out of a person.

History is full of idolisation, rather than understanding. As if this is the only love people have left and can feel. God is abundance, love is abundance too. Let's see if I have loving responses, or analytical responses (self-intellect rather than love which is God's intellect).

idol|ize



VERB

idolise (verb)

• admire, revere, or love greatly or excessively:
  "he idolized his mother"
  synonyms: hero-worship · worship · revere · venerate · deify · lionize · adulate · adore · stand in awe of · reverence · look up to · admire · exalt · love · dote upon · put on a pedestal
  
  
  

 

[justoneman]

Doesn't appear people want to quote Jesus directly, but they do like to fabricate to what they 'think' is true. However he did say:

"Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." which kind of says that he is not talking about himself?

In Revelations an Angel said:

“Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!” And he added, “These are the true words of God.”At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus.”

Which kind of puts Jesus and God and 2 separate items.

I guess people hear what they want to hear. But to me, Jesus was a physical tangible person who became one with God, and God is everything, God is all knowing. When I pray I pray to God, it feels kind of silly praying to Jesus - praying to a person??

I think people are quick to worship a person, just like in modern reality people are quick to worship Justin Bieber or any celebrity with some high status. It doesn't mean they connect to or understand that person as a real human being, and often it is the opposite. They prefer to see that celebrity as some magical God-like human being on a pedestal. I suspect people even pray to people like Michael Jackson now that he has died. But it is not praying to God. It is making an 'idol' out of a person.

History is full of idolisation, rather than understanding. As if this is the only love people have left and can feel. God is abundance, love is abundance too. Let's see if I have loving responses, or analytical responses (self-intellect rather than love which is God's intellect).

idol|ize



VERB

idolise (verb)

• admire, revere, or love greatly or excessively:
  "he idolized his mother"
  synonyms: hero-worship · worship · revere · venerate · deify · lionize · adulate · adore · stand in awe of · reverence · look up to · admire · exalt · love · dote upon · put on a pedestal

I find your post among the most sensible I have read, thank you for sharing. Indeed what a powerful idol Jesus has become; the part I'm trying to understand is how did we go from "I alone am just one man" to "I am God in the flesh". It seems almost a complete reversal to me.

 

[tourist]

Exodus 3:14
14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I am has sent me to you.’

I AM the Bread of Life (John 6:35, 41, 48, 51); I AM the Light of the World (John 8:12); I AM the Door of the Sheep (John 10:7, 9); I AM the Good Shepherd (John 10:11,14); I AM the Resurrection and the Life (John 11:25); I AM the Way, the Truth and the Life (John 14:6); and I AM the True Vine (John 15:1, 5).

Good verses to substantiate that Jesus is part of the Trinity with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Glad to have you join us. Welcome to CC.

 

[IamWhoIam]

Good verses to substantiate that Jesus is part of the Trinity with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Glad to have you join us. Welcome to CC.

Thank You Sir,

the more people seek of proof the more people will rely on Faith for the proof.

 

[PennEd]

I'm sorry but I contest these outright.

In reference to the Satan scenario, Jesus referred to Lord thy God as another entity; he used "him" not I or similar.
In reference to the Son of Man, this is a) Not God and b) ambiguous
In reference to I Am; he is placing himself within chronology - it has nothing to do with God.

To be clear; I am asking where Jesus declared himself as God.



'I and the Father are one" does not mean "I am God". To be one with your instructor does not make you the instructor!

Otherwise no relevance as per above.

I was very clear with my caution not to include anything Jesus himself does not say. I do pray we read things carefully, because, you know, it is important, especially given the weight of the topic.

We have very clearly shown you Jesus calling Himself the very same name He told Moses to tell the people.

Unfortunately, we can only show you, preach His Gospel, and pray for you.
We cannot make you see the Truth. That is the whole crux of what the Lord wants. To be believed.

YOU say "show me, and maybe I'll believe". GOD says, "Believe and I will show you".

If you reject His "cure" for your eternal life, there remains NOTHING more He will do. You will die in your sins, and suffer eternal death.

Why not take the cure and live?

 

[CherieR]

Revelation 1:8 :I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:17-18:And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

 

[FlSnookman7]

Luke 4:17-23 17 [FONT=&quot]And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,[/FONT][FONT=&quot]18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

That is indeed Jesus proclaiming His divinity.[/FONT]

 

[Grandpa]

John 8:56-58
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

 

[oldhermit]

This guy is looking neither for truth nor understanding. All he is doing is looking for a fight. From the very beginning he set the criteria for what he regards as acceptable proof. What his criteria amounts to is "Prove to me that Jesus us God without using the Bible." What this tells me is that he has no regard for the inspiration of the rest of the NT. He does not see scripture as a representation of the mind of God. To him the inspired testimony of the NT writers amounts to nothing more that the personal opinions of those writers and is therefore to be dismissed as untrustworthy. Do not play this guy's game. Ignore him.

 

[JesusLives]

John 14: 7 If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.” 8Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.” 9Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?…

 

[JesusLives]

John 1King James Version (KJV)1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14King James Version (KJV)[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[OneFaith]

I have a sincere question; my tone is neutral and while I honestly respect your right to your belief (as this is a feature of creation and every man and woman has his/her own free will to inquire as they choose) I am genuinely interested if there is anyone who can provide any sort of proof that Jesus was God.

Before you reply, please try to observe (what I feel to be) are some "given" rules:

1. You may only quote Jesus directly; not someone describing Jesus.
2. It must be unambiguous (not your own interpretation; plain language)

Please; I am not at all interested in what any other "authority" may have said about Jesus, or what they may have described him as; all that is imperative is what Jesus described himself as.

And, go!

Bonus question: When/where did Jesus ever ask/expect one to worship him?

Well I don't know of Jesus asking anyone to worship Him, other than Him saying "Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only!" But when some of the apostles worshipped Him in Matthew 28:17, He did not stop them or correct them, because they were not wrong, Jesus is God.

John 1:1 says this also- that not only was Jesus with God (the Father), but that Jesus was also God (Deity). In Hebrews 9:1 the Father also calls Jesus "God". Also, in Genesis, it says "Let Us make man in Our image." The 'us' cannot be God and angels, cause it says we were only made in the image of God- therefore 'God' is plural. We know this already because of the Holy Spirit. But Jesus, Who has never sinned, said to baptize in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

 

[JesusLives]

2 Timothy 3:16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 1

2 Peter 1:19We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.