Whose Faith? Ours or Jesus'?
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ROM. 1:5.
By Whom we have received Grace and Apostleship, for obedience to the Faith among all nations, for His Name:
4:16.
Therefore it is of Faith, that it might be BY Grace'; to the END the 'promise' might be sure to 'all' the seed';
not to that only which is of the Law', but to that also which is of 'The Faith of Abraham';
who' is the father of us all,........................
5:2.
By Whom also we have access by Faith into This Grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in Hope
of The Glory of God.
there is absolutely NO WAY in my old life, that I could cough up enough 'FAITH' to believe
on my self alone's perception' - there is just never any way to be 'sure', without, His Holy Intervention,
in the many ways that He chooses to bring us into His fold'...PG!
By Whom we have received Grace and Apostleship, for obedience to the Faith among all nations, for His Name:
4:16.
Therefore it is of Faith, that it might be BY Grace'; to the END the 'promise' might be sure to 'all' the seed';
not to that only which is of the Law', but to that also which is of 'The Faith of Abraham';
who' is the father of us all,........................
5:2.
By Whom also we have access by Faith into This Grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in Hope
of The Glory of God.
there is absolutely NO WAY in my old life, that I could cough up enough 'FAITH' to believe
on my self alone's perception' - there is just never any way to be 'sure', without, His Holy Intervention,
in the many ways that He chooses to bring us into His fold'...PG!
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I've been hearing a lot about how the faith we have is not our faith, but it's the faith of Jesus. I was just wondering what scriptures would validate this teaching?
I have never heard this until I came here to CC. Does anyone know when this teaching began? Is it a denominational teaching?
I believe it's our own faith and have been taught this and as I said, it's not something I've ever heard before. Actually there are so many things I've never heard before until I came here.
I've been pondering this for a while now. I was going to bring it up in our women's bible study I'm a part of, but we need all the time for the study. But I don't really think they've heard this before either.
Thanks!
I have never heard this until I came here to CC. Does anyone know when this teaching began? Is it a denominational teaching?
I believe it's our own faith and have been taught this and as I said, it's not something I've ever heard before. Actually there are so many things I've never heard before until I came here.
I've been pondering this for a while now. I was going to bring it up in our women's bible study I'm a part of, but we need all the time for the study. But I don't really think they've heard this before either.
Thanks!
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So, here are some pages that explain it a bit:
Where does faith come from?
God's gift of faith
Is Faith the Gift from God?
And sneaking this link in because it fits, and, Man! He's a great teacher
Justified by Faith
2 Corinthians 13
5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? 6But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates. 7Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates. 8For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth. 9For we are glad, when we are weak, and ye are strong: and this also we wish, even your perfection. 10Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the power which the Lord hath given me to edification, and not to destruction.
5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? 6But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates. 7Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates. 8For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth. 9For we are glad, when we are weak, and ye are strong: and this also we wish, even your perfection. 10Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the power which the Lord hath given me to edification, and not to destruction.
Acts 14
8And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: 9The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, 10Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked
8And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: 9The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, 10Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked
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So true 7seas,
All throughout the word we are told to do all by faith; our faith. Not Jesus' faith.
Faith is the substance of things hoped for with the conviction of things not seen. I hope I'm paraphrasing that correctly. That's our faith, Jesus sees all, knows all; there's nothing He hasn't seen.
I'm wondering if anyone knows where this teaching originated from. Zi thinks it's Kenneth Copeland, but she's not sure of that. Someone mentioned reformed, but I don't think they go quite that far as to say all is Jesus' faith and not our own.
All throughout the word we are told to do all by faith; our faith. Not Jesus' faith.
Faith is the substance of things hoped for with the conviction of things not seen. I hope I'm paraphrasing that correctly.
That's our faith, Jesus sees all, knows all; there's nothing He hasn't seen. I'm wondering if anyone knows where this teaching originated from. Zi thinks it's Kenneth Copeland, but she's not sure of that. Someone mentioned reformed, but I don't think they go quite that far as to say all is Jesus' faith and not our own.
It was lost along the way when the RCC ran the show.
And rediscovered by a guy named Martin Luther, who made a deal out of it when he put up his 95 Theses on a church that changed the world.
It knocked his socks off. First time he realized it wasn't his righteous faith that saved him. It's God's!
Well worth protesting for!
21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it—22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
So true 7seas,
All throughout the word we are told to do all by faith; our faith. Not Jesus' faith.
Faith is the substance of things hoped for with the conviction of things not seen. I hope I'm paraphrasing that correctly. That's our faith, Jesus sees all, knows all; there's nothing He hasn't seen.
I'm wondering if anyone knows where this teaching originated from. Zi thinks it's Kenneth Copeland, but she's not sure of that. Someone mentioned reformed, but I don't think they go quite that far as to say all is Jesus' faith and not our own.
All throughout the word we are told to do all by faith; our faith. Not Jesus' faith.
Faith is the substance of things hoped for with the conviction of things not seen. I hope I'm paraphrasing that correctly.
That's our faith, Jesus sees all, knows all; there's nothing He hasn't seen. I'm wondering if anyone knows where this teaching originated from. Zi thinks it's Kenneth Copeland, but she's not sure of that. Someone mentioned reformed, but I don't think they go quite that far as to say all is Jesus' faith and not our own.
Go look in the mirror and pay attention to the bolded below....Hypocrite comes from two Greek words....and I never mentioned Swaggart, but rather quoted PAUL.....and God's plan of redemption for all men includes the cross of Calvary.....I suggest kneeling at it in faith
Originally Posted by 7seasrekeyed
oh you can imagine plenty
the message of the cross is directly referencing a program by Jimmy Swaggart that goes by the same name
Paul was referencing, once again, God's plan of salvation
Jesus is no longer on the cross
maybe you should stop imagining
Originally Posted by 7seasrekeyed
the message of the cross is directly referencing a program by Jimmy Swaggart that goes by the same name
Paul was referencing, once again, God's plan of salvation
Jesus is no longer on the cross
maybe you should stop imagining
7seas... kneel before GOD you know the power of the cross is GOD.
Worship in Spirit and Truth.. as Taught by Our Lord and Saviour.
Unless preserved by GOD the cross itself would of long perished.. but the Love and Victory that came to pass for us abides within us forever.
Grace, Love and Truth is all from Heavenly Father through His Son.
Worship in Spirit and Truth.. as Taught by Our Lord and Saviour.
Unless preserved by GOD the cross itself would of long perished.. but the Love and Victory that came to pass for us abides within us forever.
Grace, Love and Truth is all from Heavenly Father through His Son.
I would offer. The father of lies would have us believe it is all one and the same, creating gods in the likeness of man and in doing so violate the first commandment .
Faith without works is dead this would include the faith of Christ, the faith of God ,our faithful Creator..
One of the clearest place we find that treasure of faith not of us is found in Romans 3
For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. Rom 3:3
It would appear that his work of faith defends us so that when we are judged His faith as our strong fortress or city of refuge prevails.
The question was what if some do not believe God .Will their unbelief (no faith ) make the faith of God that dwells in the believer without effect (work) Does the treasure called faith we do have in us, come from us, towards God .Or is it his faith as a labor of His Love that again comes from hearing Him, toward us. (two different directions)
Hebrew 6 speaks of dead works coming from a faith in respect to the imagination of one’s own heart toward him .
That kind of "no faith" coming from man crucifies Christ again and again every time they violate the law of God.
Better things accompany those who understand the author of the treasure called redemption.
2Co 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the Excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
I would think we defend the faith that defends us. God is a jealous God and will not share that treasure as if it was of us to begin with. He is the Potter we the clay .Turning that work of faith upside down is where the apostate Jew failed in keeping it.guarding it with all a persons new spirit, heart and new soul that will never die.
I don't think he saw light until he created by faith believing he would see. He declares what is good as a testimony by that which he creates.
If nothing appeared that would remain darkness .No work involved in that.
It’s when he sees the blood used to represent spirit (not seen) not when we see it. All saints die not receiving the reward. We are given a living hope that goes beyond human hope (as far as their eyes can see) It will not because it cannot disappoint us.
It’s the substance God hoped for we cannot create substance out of non-substance. God believed as he exercised (worked His belief called a work of faith ) by declaring the living Words ...let there be light and there was .
Human faith (dead) is simply the imagination of one’s own heart . Spiritual thing cannot be seen unless the faith of Christ , called the hearing of faith gives us His spiritual understanding.
Faith our free gift is our treasure....it is not of us.. if it is of God. (no man can serve two masters) The spirit of the antichrist would turn that upside down taking away the understanding of God making our treasure without effect (dead)
For God, who commanded (as a work of His faith) the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; 2Co 4:6
If nothing appeared that would remain darkness .No work involved in that.
It’s when he sees the blood used to represent spirit (not seen) not when we see it. All saints die not receiving the reward. We are given a living hope that goes beyond human hope (as far as their eyes can see) It will not because it cannot disappoint us.
It’s the substance God hoped for we cannot create substance out of non-substance. God believed as he exercised (worked His belief called a work of faith ) by declaring the living Words ...let there be light and there was .
Human faith (dead) is simply the imagination of one’s own heart . Spiritual thing cannot be seen unless the faith of Christ , called the hearing of faith gives us His spiritual understanding.
Faith our free gift is our treasure....it is not of us.. if it is of God. (no man can serve two masters) The spirit of the antichrist would turn that upside down taking away the understanding of God making our treasure without effect (dead)
For God, who commanded (as a work of His faith) the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; 2Co 4:6
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Amen, DC.
Galatians 6:13-14
For those who are circumcised do not even keep the Law themselves, but they desire to have you circumcised so that they may boast in your flesh. But may it never be that I would boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
Paul gloried in the cross because he was identifying with the death of Jesus. He's been crucified to the world and the world to him.
Paul's boasting in the fact that what was meant for death, did actually bring death brought life anew in Christ.
Galatians 6:13-14
For those who are circumcised do not even keep the Law themselves, but they desire to have you circumcised so that they may boast in your flesh. But may it never be that I would boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
Paul gloried in the cross because he was identifying with the death of Jesus. He's been crucified to the world and the world to him.
Paul's boasting in the fact that what was meant for death, did actually bring death brought life anew in Christ.
