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Laughing so hard I'm cryin', looks like the poor guy in the middle pee'd his pants to much fun and
great pix's.
When Brother P4T PHarts, he doesn't clear out the house...he clears out the neighborhood. He's a walking outhouse. Green flies even avoid him.
 

stonesoffire

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Come on, stones, you know better than this. Jesus' greatness, as great as it indeed is, could not perform many miracles in his hometown because of the lack of faith of those people. Faith is in fact the one and only way to access the grace of God in Jesus. You know this. Over and over Jesus said, "by your faith you are healed".
New day...new way.

Think garden again....His Presence!
 
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Come on, stones, you know better than this. Jesus' greatness, as great as it indeed is, could not perform many miracles in his hometown because of the lack of faith of those people. Faith is in fact the one and only way to access the grace of God in Jesus. You know this. Over and over Jesus said, "by your faith you are healed".
Faith never healed anyone. Note "He could not" is not referencing inability.
 

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Dcon's gonna kick us off this thread for derailing it with fart memes.. lol


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stonesoffire

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Declaring His Work! Jesus!




We have returned to the Garden of Eden
Brought into His presence, made whole by the Lamb.
Satans lies crushed underfoot as we enter..
Truth is our breastplate, and light floods our stand.

Victory of blood, Royal blood out from Heaven
No stain of sin, given once for all men
Born into Him..Son of God, son of mankind
Covering; purging....flowing within.

Now we an army, attired in white linen
Helmets salvation encloses our head
Righteousness pinning lusts serpentine yearnings
Peace reigns our hearts touching others for Him.

He leads His army, His Voice individual
Yet, corporate as all move in Spirit as One
His-story shouting in signs and in wonders
Gathering all for His home filled with love.

Gonna keep on sayin it...:)
 

BillG

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Yeah, I can relate to that. I had to buy a 4 cup coffee pot to cut down on my coffee intake, lol. But sadly it only fills less than two cups of my coffee mug. Making the coffee is priority number one after I get out of bed. I buy coffee from a local Coffee Roaster store, and they use a new Roasting method, where they roast the beans with hot air. It supposedly preserves more of the coffee bean flavor than the drum oven roasting method. All I know is it sure tastes better than the coffee that I used to buy at the grocery store.
As one of the Queens subject one drinks has a cup tea when one wakes up.
When one has had his cup of tea then one heads off to work.
Then at lunchtime I have 2 flatwites.

After that I'm like a squirrel on speed
 
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Lord...puff...pufff...snort....puff...gasp....I am trying my hardest to run the race...but...puff....whew....gasp....puff...ain't gettin' nowhere Lord!!! Romans 9:16 rings ever so true...


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Post for E-grateful,

And thank you E-gratefully for protecting our home front in the US Coast Guard, we have a 90ft Coast Guard vessel here in Marina Del Ray, Los Angeles, named "Point Bridge" They had an open to the public tour one day of the "Point Bridge", and I was thrilled to Go. Of the things that I do remember is that all of the engine repairs were made by the crew only. And I recall asking the tour guide why do you have 2 covered barbecue's on the forward deck and he just laughed and said those are 50 caliber machine guns. I said same thing I reckon....:)

Thanks for your service as well,

Truth

thanks bro,
 
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Your putting faith in YOUR ABILITY to continue to believe. Not in Jesus ABILITY to keep you in your faith.
No, that's not the argument. I have no ability to believe, let alone continue to believe. God's gracious gift of faith is the ability He gives people to believe. That's why we can not boast in our believing.

It is only by His gracious gift of faith (the ability to believe something is true that you can not see) that we can then trust in and be saved by what he shows us to be true. And even our believing/trusting is so enabled and encouraged by his help that we can not boast in it either. We would quickly stop believing/trusting if it were not for God's continual help to keep us trusting in what he has shown us to be true through the gracious gift of faith.

God does not do our believing/trusting for us. He gives us the gracious gift of faith so we can believe/trust in the gospel and be saved. The believing part is what we do. But even that is not without his gracious encouragement and help.
 

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Faith never healed anyone. Note "He could not" is not referencing inability.
Again it is important that we know whom we worship and do not forget; God is good and loving, forgiving, gracious, jealous, sovereign, merciful and yet just in all of His Judgments. He is eternal and holy, has all wisdom and he is unchanging, Omniscient, Omnipresent, just to mention a few of God's attributes.

"For in him we live and move and have our being.' As some of your own poets have said, 'We are his offspring.' Acts17:28. Sermon on Mars Hill.
 
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No, that's not the argument. I have no ability to believe, let alone continue to believe. God's gracious gift of faith is the ability He gives people to believe. That's why we can not boast in our believing.

It is only by His gracious gift of faith (the ability to believe something is true that you can not see) that we can then trust in and be saved by what he shows us to be true. And even our believing/trusting is so enabled and encouraged by his help that we can not boast in it either. We would quickly stop believing/trusting if it were not for God's continual help to keep us trusting in what he has shown us to be true through the gracious gift of faith.

God does not do our believing/trusting for us. He gives us the gracious gift of faith so we can believe/trust in the gospel and be saved. The believing part is what we do. But even that is not without his gracious encouragement and help.

So it is Gods power. Yet we can fail..

So God can fail?

When will you repent of this stuff Phart? When will you realise how futile your arguments are. You claim it is the power of God Yet you claim it may fail, and you may fall anyway.

 
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Faith never healed anyone. Note "He could not" is not referencing inability.
That is correct, 'he could not' is in no way indicative of his inability to heal. It's a direct reference to the absence of the requirement for their believing for him to heal. But people nowadays in the church say that's God's responsibility, not ours, because if believing was our responsibility it would be us trying to earn God's grace.
 
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BillG

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Dcon's gonna kick us off this thread for derailing it with fart memes.. lol


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Maybe it's a bloke thing that we laugh when one lets rip.

Although we have two dogs.
One is a cute and cuddly bichone frise.
He sits next to us, let's one go. Stands up looks at us as if butter wouldn't melt in his mouth then walks out the room.

The other is a border terrier.
She likes to come up on the sofa and lie on her back a spread herself out.
She lets one go and looks at me as if I had done it.

I remember once when I wasn't going to church. One Sunday morning I watched a movie about Jesus. Similar to Jesus of Nazerath.

As they were walking alongside the Red Sea or whatever sea it was, Jesus and the disciples started pushing each other into it and were laughing.

When my wife came home from church I said to her "Jesus and the disciples were fooling around and laughing, that can't be right"

She looked at me and said "Why not they would have had fun and laughed and it wouldn't surprise me if when they were together and one of them farted then they would have laughed as well"
 
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I do believe that. That's why I continue to believe. He's the only way I can be saved. I can only continue to believe and be saved because of his power. He doesn't do my believing for me. He didn't when I first got saved. And he doesn't now. That's my responsibility. But I can only believe because he gives the gracious gift of faith--the ability to even know the gospel is true--to do that believing. That's why I can't boast in my believing. I can't do that on my own. I have to choose to rely on Christ to continually show me the gospel is true so I can then continue to trust in that truth.




So do you. It seems you (sometimes) also believe that one must abide to remain saved, if I'm not mistaken. It's just that you think every believer will always abide.

I don't think you disagree with the requirement to continue to believe to be saved. You just think that all believers without exception will always believe as if God does our believing for us. God did not do my believing for me when I first got saved. He provided the power (the faith, the confidence) for me to choose to believe, but he did not do the believing required to be saved for me. Nor does he now somehow do that believing for me this many years later. He provides the supernatural ability to know the gospel is true, but he does not do my believing/trusting for me.



You have not successfully shown from Hebrews itself how the plain words of Hebrews 10 don't really mean what they plainly say--you just keep saying they 'don't really' mean what they say. The words are so plain it's impossible to strain out a way for those plain words to not mean what they say by claiming other more vague passage of scripture makes them not mean what they plainly say. My use of scripture does not nullify the scriptures you use. But your interpretation of various isolated scripture DOES nullify the scriptures I use. My argument does not cause contradiction in the scriptures. Your's does.



All you have to do is show us the passage of scripture that describes the 'work' of believing as a work of the damnable works gospel and this thread can be closed. But you won't do that because you can't do that. There is no verse that explains or even hints at faith being on the works side of Paul's 'works vs. faith for justification' argument. But you continue to insist that people accept your non-Biblical teaching that the 'work' of faith is indeed a damnable work of the 'works save' gospel.

You can not insist people believe something that the Bible does not teach, and which the Bible plainly teaches exactly the OPPOSITE about--that faith is in stark and utter contrast to works of the law in regard to what can and can not justify. You especially can not do that to a Berean. Faith is not a work that can not justify. It DOES justify, but for some reason the church has decided that even the work of believing is a damnable work that can not justify. How absurd. But that is where the church is now.



Show me where the Bible is clear that my believing, my trusting in Christ for salvation, constitutes a works based religion. Be honest. You know it isn't there. You've gone off into an absurd, misguided teaching presently making it's way through the church and you have to find the courage to admit it simply isn't in or supported by the Bible. If it was supported by the Bible, you'd post the passage(s) that show it is. But as it is, you can't. They don't exist.
Do not for one second presume to speak for me or put words in my mouth...I DO NOT BELIEVE salvation can be lost nor forfeit...YOU DO....that is why your false gospel reeks of works.....
 
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PHart

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So it is Gods power. Yet we can fail..

So God can fail?

When will you repent of this stuff Phart? When will you realise how futile your arguments are. You claim it is the power of God Yet you claim it may fail, and you may fall anyway.

God's power does not fail, WE FAIL. That's what 1 John 5 explains. Not everyone responds with believing to the testimony of the Holy Spirit through which God's faith (the power to believe) is delivered to a person. In fact, most people in the history of mankind choose to not believe the sure testimony of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of faith.

God does not do our believing for us. He provides the faith to do that believing, but the believing part is what we are to do. That is the part that he can only influence, not make happen apart from our will. Calvinism believes that God does do our believing for us. That's why I say this present doctrine about faith being a damnable work of self effort is Calvinism run amok.
 

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Jeremiah 24:7, “And I shall give them a heart to know Me, that I am יהוה. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength, for they shall turn back to Me with all their heart.”
Jeremiah 29:11-15
11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the Lord, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope. 12 Then you will call upon Me and go and pray to Me, and I will listen to you. 13 And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart. 14 I will be found by you, says the Lord, and I will bring you back from your captivity; I will gather you from all the nations and from all the places where I have driven you, says the Lord, and I will bring you to the place from which I cause you to be carried away captive.
 
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Do not for one second presume to speak for me or put words in my mouth...I DO NOT BELIEVE salvation can be lost nor forfeit...YOU DO....that is why your false gospel reeks of works.....
You lost me. Where did I say in that post, or any post, that you think salvation can be lost? Just a quick quote in a post will be enough to remind me where I said that in my post.