The Appointed Times of Leviticus 23; and Why I Observe Them

[MarcR]

we're both 'watching and waiting', what else makes any sense???

INDEED!!!!!

 

[Bladerunner]

Perhaps I should start with the Sabbath because it is the first mentioned; but I will save it for last.


Lev 23:5
5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover.
KJV
On Passover I remember the Lord's suffering and death on my behalf.


Lev 23:6-8
6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
KJV

On Abib 15 I remember the time Jesus spent in the tomb. He died that I might have life.


Lev 23:10-11
10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
KJV
On the Sunday following Passover (Firstfruits) I celebrate Resurrection Sunday Jesus Lives.


Lev 23:15-16
15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord.
KJV

On the second Sunday of Sivan I celebrate Shavout (Feast of Weeks) Pentecost The indwelling Holy Spirit and the birth of the Church.

Lev 23:24-26
24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
25 Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord.
26 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
KJV

On the First day of Ethanim I celebrate the promise of the Rapture when the Church will be taken to be with the Lord. I don't necessarily believe it will happen on that date.


Lev 23:27-32
27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord.
28 And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the Lord your God.
29 For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
30 And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
31 Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
KJV

On the 10th day of Ethanim I observe Yom Kippur the Day of Atonement. I try to remember that every Sin I commit in my daily life, the Lord had to suffer for. I also remember that I don't want to add to His pain. I do not keep a complete fast because I am diabetic.

Lev 23:34-36
34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the Lord.
35 On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
KJV

On the 15th of Ethanim I celebrate the Lord's birth and the promise of His return to reign over this world.

I use the pre-exilic names of the months because the post exilic names name Babylonian idols.

I call the first day of Ethanim 'Yom Teruah' Day of Trumpets rather than Rosh Ha Shanah because God named Abib the First month.

I observe the seventh day Sabbath to remember the rest we have in Jesus frees us from trying to please God in our own efforts.

I church with fellow believers on Sunday following the example of the early Church.

Thank you!

 

[beta]

If you read Leviticus 23:5, You will see that 14 Abib is defined as the Passover.
if you read Gen 1:5 you will see that the evening of any day comes BEFORE the morning of that day; so then, the evening of 14 Abib comes before the day of Abib 14.

If you read Leviticus 23:6-7, you will see that 15 Abib is a Levitical Sabbath. Its day of preparation is always 14 Abib.
Since, in the year Jesus was crucified, the 7th day Sabbath follows the Levitical Sabbath; 14 Abib was also its day of preparation.

No theory here only revealed fact.

If you read MT 16:21 you will see that Jesus was to be raised ON NOT AFTER the third day.

If you read Mt 12:40 you will see that Jesus was to be in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights; but Mt 16:21 says not all of the third day, and Gen 1:5 says that the evenings come first even though they are not mentioned first.

Again no theory; just revealed truth. If you have been taught something else; the Bible has more authority than whoever taught you.

Can you please explain a little more Mat 16v21 saying 'not all of the 3rd day ? there is no such implication in my KJV.
The point is 'if Jesus was entombed at sunset on wednesday and rose at sunset on saturday it does not make it any less than 3 nights and 3 days.
WHY do you keep adding and detracting to Jesus' own timing ???

 

[oldethennew]

this is basically learning how to count to (3) -

this is NOT complicated it, we just take the Biblical Words/Numbers as they are =

Wednesday at 3:00pm. to Thursday at 3:00pm. is ONE DAY,
Thursday at 3:00pm. to Friday at 3:00pm. is ONE DAY,
Friday at 3:00pm. to Saturday at 3:00pm. is ONE DAY.
Biblically speaking, this would be Three Days and Three Nights...

 

[MarcR]

Can you please explain a little more Mat 16v21 saying 'not all of the 3rd day ? there is no such implication in my KJV.
The point is 'if Jesus was entombed at sunset on wednesday and rose at sunset on saturday it does not make it any less than 3 nights and 3 days.
WHY do you keep adding and detracting to Jesus' own timing ???

There are those who insist that 3 days and 3 nights require all of Sunday.

I am trying to address their argument.

Mt 16:21
21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
KJV

and be raised again the third day both the Greek and the English grammar require that this means on not after the third day.

 

[beta]

There are those who insist that 3 days and 3 nights require all of Sunday.

I am trying to address their argument.

Mt 16:21
21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
KJV

and be raised again the third day both the Greek and the English grammar require that this means on not after the third day.

Friend - this is exactly what I am saying too. From sunset wednesday (the day of preparation Joh 19v31) when Jesus was entombed until sunset saturday are exactly 3 nights and 3 days. So why are you saying (in another post) Jesus rose on sunday ? As scripture says 'he is risen, he is not here Mk 16v6,9 Jesus was risen early the first day of the week...WAS risen...Jesus was NOT RISING at that time but WAS risen...obviously since He rose at sunset the evening before which was on the 3rd day. Jesus was seen already risen on sunday yet that is not the time of the resurrection !!!
This timing is what people are confused with and see it as a sunday resurrection. Because He was seen risen on the first day of the week they believe it to be 'resurrection day....and you yourself have stated.
Resurrection was at sunset saturday and that is the true 'resurrection day !

 

[oldethennew]

black and white, common sense: prayerfully it will be accepted, as Jesus reveals...

 

[MarcR]

Friend - this is exactly what I am saying too. From sunset wednesday (the day of preparation Joh 19v31) when Jesus was entombed until sunset saturday are exactly 3 nights and 3 days. So why are you saying (in another post) Jesus rose on sunday ? As scripture says 'he is risen, he is not here Mk 16v6,9 Jesus was risen early the first day of the week...WAS risen...Jesus was NOT RISING at that time but WAS risen...obviously since He rose at sunset the evening before which was on the 3rd day. Jesus was seen already risen on sunday yet that is not the time of the resurrection !!!
This timing is what people are confused with and see it as a sunday resurrection. Because He was seen risen on the first day of the week they believe it to be 'resurrection day....and you yourself have stated.
Resurrection was at sunset saturday and that is the true 'resurrection day !

The problem is that you believe the crucifixion occurred on Wednesday and I believe it occurred on Thursday.

 

[beta]

this is basically learning how to count to (3) -

this is NOT complicated it, we just take the Biblical Words/Numbers as they are =

Wednesday at 3:00pm. to Thursday at 3:00pm. is ONE DAY,
Thursday at 3:00pm. to Friday at 3:00pm. is ONE DAY,
Friday at 3:00pm. to Saturday at 3:00pm. is ONE DAY.
Biblically speaking, this would be Three Days and Three Nights...

I agree with your counting but would stick with 'the setting of the sun rather than 3pm or 6pm. Scripture says 'the Sabbath drew on...so we know it was before sunset....consequently resurrection would also be before sunset saturday.
What we have here is people going on what they can see with their own eyes rather than believing scripture...so when they saw Jesus risen early sunday morning that was the day of resurrection for them....and quite UNtrue !
Obviously YOU see the difference God/Jesus make between those who rely on their own understanding
and those who believe what HE says and are blessed Joh 20v29. Thank you friend !

 

[beta]

The problem is that you believe the crucifixion occurred on Wednesday and I believe it occurred on Thursday.

Yes, that would be cause for serious disagreement !

 

[MarcR]

Yes, that would be cause for serious disagreement !

Since it is definitely not a Salvation issue, there is no need to try to persuade one another except as an intellectual exercise.

We will both be able to find out for sure when we arrive in Jesus presence.

 

[Bladerunner]

Can you please explain a little more Mat 16v21 saying 'not all of the 3rd day ? there is no such implication in my KJV.
The point is 'if Jesus was entombed at sunset on wednesday and rose at sunset on saturday it does not make it any less than 3 nights and 3 days.
WHY do you keep adding and detracting to Jesus' own timing ???

Beta: May I chime in here a bit.? Thank you!

Jesus enter Jersualem on April 6, 32 AD (Palm Sunday)because He and others did not travel long distances on Sabbaths Saturday Prior. The Jewish new day starts at sundown and ends at sundown (6:30 P.M.to 6:29:59 P.M.)


Timeline;

Palm Sunday (April 6th 32AD--10th Nisan)

Crucified on Wednesday (Passover, 14th Nisan, around 6.00PM. )

*Feast of Unleavened Bread on Thursday. (One of 7 High-Sabbaths within the year , 15th Nisan) Day 1

**Friday Day 2

***Saturday (Hebrew Sabbath) Day 3 THREE FULL DAYS at 6:30Pm

Resurrection Sunday - Feast of First Fruits ****17th Nisan (He arose from the tomb sometime during the night hours )




*Strong's 4521

Matthew 28:1 "In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre."

Should have been (In the end of the Sabbaths)

Sabbath:
the latter, the plural form was transliterated from the Aramaic word, which was mistaken for a plural; hence the singular, sabbaton, was formed from it. The root means "to cease, desist" (Heb., shabath; cp. Arab., sabata, "to intercept, interrupt"); the doubled b has an intensive force, implying a complete cessation or a making to cease, probably the former. The idea is not that of relaxation or refreshment, but cessation from activity.


**Note: It seems to me to be the correct time span of 3 days and 3 nights in Hell.

*** Note: the Bible tells us there were two Sabbaths that week which would rule out a Friday Crucifixion


Have a blessed evening
Blade

 

[beta]

Beta: May I chime in here a bit.? Thank you!

Jesus enter Jersualem on April 6, 32 AD (Palm Sunday)because He and others did not travel long distances on Sabbaths Saturday Prior. The Jewish new day starts at sundown and ends at sundown (6:30 P.M.to 6:29:59 P.M.)


Timeline;

Palm Sunday (April 6th 32AD--10th Nisan)

Crucified on Wednesday (Passover, 14th Nisan, around 6.00PM. )

*Feast of Unleavened Bread on Thursday. (One of 7 High-Sabbaths within the year , 15th Nisan) Day 1

**Friday Day 2

***Saturday (Hebrew Sabbath) Day 3 THREE FULL DAYS at 6:30Pm

Resurrection Sunday - Feast of First Fruits ****17th Nisan (He arose from the tomb sometime during the night hours )




*Strong's 4521

Matthew 28:1 "In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre."

Should have been (In the end of the Sabbaths)

Sabbath:
the latter, the plural form was transliterated from the Aramaic word, which was mistaken for a plural; hence the singular, sabbaton, was formed from it. The root means "to cease, desist" (Heb., shabath; cp. Arab., sabata, "to intercept, interrupt"); the doubled b has an intensive force, implying a complete cessation or a making to cease, probably the former. The idea is not that of relaxation or refreshment, but cessation from activity.


**Note: It seems to me to be the correct time span of 3 days and 3 nights in Hell.

*** Note: the Bible tells us there were two Sabbaths that week which would rule out a Friday Crucifixion


Have a blessed evening
Blade

Does it really matter when Jesus entered Jerusalem ? in this discussion we are concerned with which day Jesus was crucified so we can determine the correct 'resurrection day. We know that with GOD a day starts at sunset, in the evening. This is NOT a 'jewish thing at all !!!

Also, it all happened according to scripture 1Cor 15v3,4, so whatever opinions people have on it is of no importance. JESUS stated a timeline of 3 nights and 3 days and that is what must be considered....any parts or even minutes of that specified time is non-appliccable for with GOD a daytime or nightime is counted as 12 hours...not 12 minutes as some do.Joh 11v9.

The point is - was Jesus crucified on a wednesday or Thursday ?

 

[beta]

Since it is definitely not a Salvation issue, there is no need to try to persuade one another except as an intellectual exercise.

We will both be able to find out for sure when we arrive in Jesus presence.

I know people think this is not a salvation issue but let me ask you 'does it make any difference whether we follow a false jeus or the true Jesus ???
I believe it very much a 'salvation issue'....because those who don't know Him will be told 'to depart !!! Mat 7v21-23. I would not wait until then.

 

[followjesus]

Marc,

In the context of this thread, the fundamental question which Christians must ask is "Do the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit approve or disapprove of divisions within the Body of Christ?" And I believe the answer is obvious (Eph 4:3-6).

3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Whether we wish to acknowledge it or not Messianic Judaism or Messianic Christianity has brought division into the Body of Christ, which essentially violates the Law of Love. Messianic Judaism began around the 1970's, but before that Hebrew Christians were simply Christians of Jewish extraction. But they did not revert back to Moses. Why?

The issue of the application of the Law of Moses came up early in the Christian churches, and was settled in Acts 15 under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. There were only FOUR laws which applied to Gentiles, and since the NT clearly teaches no distinctions between Jews and Gentiles within the churches, that would also apply to Jews. Those four laws were as follows:

For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That [1] ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and [2] from blood, and [3] from things strangled, and [4] from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. (Acts 15:28,29). You will note that sabbath observance is excluded since the Lord's Day was to be the "Christian Sabbath".

Today we have Messsianic Jews seeking to revert to the feasts, festivals, and holy days from the Old Covenant, when Christian churches generally do not observe them. Furthermore, the Sabbatarians have developed a "holier-than-thou" attitude by promoting sabbath-keeping contrary to the NT, which clearly says that meats, drinks, holy days, new moons, and sabbath days are merely "shadows" (Col 2:16,17).

So first of all the instructions in Acts 15 are being disregarded. But more importantly, and grievously to the Holy Spirit, bringing these observances into churches is a sure way to divide the Body of Christ. And that is exactly what has happened. Since Christ's Law of Love supersedes all the ceremonial observances of Moses, it should be clear that by reviving Moses Christians violate the Law of Christ.

"Since Christ's Law of Love supersedes all the ceremonial observances of Moses, it should be clear that by reviving Moses Christians violate the Law of Christ."


thats absolutely not accurate. if a person is abiding the Law of God, they will be walking in the Love of Christ. heres the thing the ceremonies, the rituals and "rites" of the Law are fulfilled they arent ereased they were fulfilled, by Jesus coming. an aspect of those things is that they are prophetic such as sacrificing the blood of a spotless animal for remission of sin = that was always speaking forward to what Jesus would do in shedding His blood for the remission of sin. its been fulfilled.

the morality of the Law of God however is now and always will be valid. one cant follow the Law of Christs Love and still be transgressing the Law of the covenant. for instance i can say i Love everyone.....but if i am stealing from my nieghbor..im telling a lie when i say i love people. if i say i love my wife, and then am cheating on her with her cousin....suprise im not loving My wife and im a liar. if i say i love my Brother, and then i refuse to help my brother who needs help, ive lied i dont really Love Him.

the Law of Christ's Love should be understood by scripture

1 john 5:2-5 "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith."


you cant seperate Jesus Love from Gods Law , you can only understand that it has been fulfilled, and the Gospel from matt 1:1- the last verse of John is the new covenant and the Old fits within it and is useful always. Moses writings will bring people TO Jesus it will give them understanding, and as Jesus sai if u believe Moses writings you will believe His words.

Im not sure How this hapopened in the church But Moses, is not a bad Guy, the God of the Ot, is not unfair, injust, without mercy or Grace, He is the same, its Just that Now we Have the WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.

 

[IamWhoIam]

I don't know where you get 6PM. Sundown is much closer to 4PM than 6PM on 12/21 and closer to 8 PM than 6PM on 6/21. The only times it approaches 6PM are 3/21 and 9/21 and even that can vary by a day on leap years.

It is also true that the lunar/solar calendar which the Jewish people use has been in continuous use with only two well documented changes since the time of the Exodus. So the day of the week can indeed be calculated. it is also true that the Jewish calendar has not always been superimposed on the Gregorian calendar. However the several changes to the Gregorian calendar have also been well documented; so calculation is still possible.

Even if that were not true, what the Bible tells us is still true and reliable.

Well today Jewish people may not know of this or even use (the night watch) terminology but in the first century this was widely used and we know this by bible scripture. The fourth watch was between 3am and 6am.

matt 14:25
And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.

 

[beta]

The problem is that you believe the crucifixion occurred on Wednesday and I believe it occurred on Thursday.

So would you be so kind as to tell us how you arrived at Thursday ?

 

[MarcR]

So would you be so kind as to tell us how you arrived at Thursday ?

I presumed a Sunday resurrection and worked backward.

The reasons I presumed a Sunday Resurrection are:

1) I believe that the Moaday (appointed times) of Leviticus 23 all signify events in the life and Ministry of Jesus; and Firstfruits can never fall on a Sabbath.

2) If Jesus were crucified on Wednesday then the Levitical Sabbath would have been on Thursday and nothing would have prevented the women from tending the body on Friday.

3) Scripture Describes Jesus as the Firstfruits of them that are raised; thus linking the resurrection with Sunday Firstfruits.

 

[unobtrusive]

I presumed a Sunday resurrection and worked backward.

The reasons I presumed a Sunday Resurrection are:

1) I believe that the Moaday (appointed times) of Leviticus 23 all signify events in the life and Ministry of Jesus; and Firstfruits can never fall on a Sabbath.

2) If Jesus were crucified on Wednesday then the Levitical Sabbath would have been on Thursday and nothing would have prevented the women from tending the body on Friday.

3) Scripture Describes Jesus as the Firstfruits of them that are raised; thus linking the resurrection with Sunday Firstfruits.

I agree with you on everything you presented, yet I have always had a question about "Firstfruits" being on the day of resurrection. Maybe you can explain. I know that Jesus rose from the dead after the third day was completed, just as you have said. This was during the "Feast of Unleavened Bread." Now the "Feast of Weeks," being "First Fruits" is for 7 weeks, counting 7 Sabbaths. Is the "Feast of Weeks" and the "Feast of Unleavened Bread" blended together for 4 days, and are we counting collective Feast Sabbaths with weekly Sabbaths? This always has been very confusing to me.

 

[MarcR]

I agree with you on everything you presented, yet I have always had a question about "Firstfruits" being on the day of resurrection. Maybe you can explain. I know that Jesus rose from the dead after the third day was completed, just as you have said. This was during the "Feast of Unleavened Bread." Now the "Feast of Weeks," being "First Fruits" is for 7 weeks, counting 7 Sabbaths. Is the "Feast of Weeks" and the "Feast of Unleavened Bread" blended together for 4 days, and are we counting collective Feast Sabbaths with weekly Sabbaths? This always has been very confusing to me.

The appointed time shavouot 'weeks' also called Pentecost is the firstfruits of the first wheat harvest.

The day after the Sabbath that follows Abib 15 is the Firstfruits of the Barley harvest and is the only appointed time named Firstfruits.

I understand Mt 17:23 to say that Jesus would be raised ON not AFTER the third day.