Not By Works

[TruthTalk]

How can anyone sit around and listen to a false Christ being taught from anyone on this thread, not me.

Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints. Jude1:3

[video=youtube;M1aLFsyEVBQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1aLFsyEVBQ[/video]

 

[Rosemaryx]

Oh come on people.

please realise that Rosemaryx is a babe in Jesus.
She is seeking to grow.
She does not have a malice bone in her body.

Maybe she likes someone’s post because there is a part of it that speaks to her.

I even have liked some of PJ’s posts because part of it makes sense.
I let him know what I like and what I don’t agree with.

Rosemary is learning to walk.
Are we going to walk with her or not?

If we disagree explain why.

If we feel offended explain why.

Those of us who feel we are spiritually mature should remember that once we were not.
How did we grow?

Think about it

Thank you Bill...I say that with a humble heart...Nothing more, nothing less...xox...

 

[1ofthem]

Thanks, I forgive you.

That's good and well, but looks like you owe her an apology as well...unless I'm missing something here ...just saying.

 

[PeterJens]

Utter nonsense. The above reaffirms PeterJens works false gospel.
Then there is always the above, taking a jab at the other and lying about them.

Yes, we know you don't believe in the imputed righteousness of Christ, you don't believe He has covered you with His righteousness so you are setting out to proclaim your own.

The above is what someone does when they believe others trust too much in Christ (which is hilariously and sadly asinine).

Yep, it becomes all about them, I, me, me, I, me, me, me, I, me.

Nope, sorry friend the above is not the truth, reality nor is personal self-proclamation the test.Wait? What? Now you want to talk of Christ and what He has done? "You're putting too much on Christ" it's about you, remember, your self proclaimed love, humility, purity, and holiness which you are too glad to announce to others. Matthew 23:5 at its finest and in full display.

For the record, we are resting in His Words. That doesn't mean however that we, as you accuse falsely, love sin, do nothing, aren't saved &c.

Uh-huh. Sounds token to me.

Well this is not real a critical response, because you are not very good at that.
I believe in imputed righteousness or faith reconned as righteousness.

I am not establishing my righteousness because Christ has washed me clean and
made me righteous. Once righteous I do not have to make myself righteous.

It is an absurd idea. It is like saying I am trying to save myself after Christ has saved
me. I do not need to because I am saved.

And do you know the beauty of testimonies, it is about souls testifying to the glorious work
Christ has done in them. It brings glory to Christ not the one who testifies.

You talk like a testimony is something of self and shame. God bless you, because to me
these words speak about your lostness and lack of truth in your heart than anything else.

If I was a young believer your words would be devastating, but not now because I know
the love Jesus overwhelms me with, and the glory of testifying to His work in believers is
the greatest testimony I can bring.

I can only imagine you believe I am lying or you are jealous. I would probably understand
if I met you face to face. But that would probably not be very wise, lol.

God bless you, may Christ bring into His everlasting love and glorious Kingdom, Amen.

 

[preacher4truth]

How can anyone sit around and listen to a false Christ being taught from anyone on this thread, not me.

Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints. Jude1:3

[video=youtube;M1aLFsyEVBQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1aLFsyEVBQ[/video]

Careful now, PeterJens gets in a little truth once in awhile, so it's all good according to at least one. The little truth he says outweighs his works gospel.

Wait...NEVER MIND!

 

[loveme1]

What about the Geordies?

You are probably too young to remember but in the 80’s the stereotypical accent was associated with the stereotypical person.

What about Cockney rhyming slang?

Maybe we should introduce them to it. That would be fun.

Auf wierdersehen pet comes to mind... not sure if that was the 80s.. hehe..

A bit of cockney slang would have them run for the hills.. hehe..

 

[PeterJens]

Thank you Bill...I say that with a humble heart...Nothing more, nothing less...xox...

Rosemary, people disagree with many things in faith, because of their history and what some
words mean to them not realising they mean something else for others.

This medium is sometime too intense and closed for people really to grasp some things being
spoken of, and something people cannot cope with.

It teaches us grace and peace, to not be rocked by it.
Unfortunately church history is full of mistakes and failed emphasises which take time to work
through. Some have started in one place and ended up in another. Hopefully these movements
develop in love and grace, but sometimes cause splits is churchs and fellowships.

I gave up a long time ago understanding, and just share as the Lord leads, like I see you doing.
You are a bright light to these jaded church going revolutionaries. God bless you.

 

[mj007]

Yep Rosemaryx you seem like a kind soul. Do not bow down to those who try to give the impression they know all about truth, and yet if you observe closely, find it very hard to talk with loving intention.

Rosemary, people disagree with many things in faith, because of their history and what some
words mean to them not realising they mean something else for others.

This medium is sometime too intense and closed for people really to grasp some things being
spoken of, and something people cannot cope with.

It teaches us grace and peace, to not be rocked by it.
Unfortunately church history is full of mistakes and failed emphasises which take time to work
through. Some have started in one place and ended up in another. Hopefully these movements
develop in love and grace, but sometimes cause splits is churchs and fellowships.

I gave up a long time ago understanding, and just share as the Lord leads, like I see you doing.
You are a bright light to these jaded church going revolutionaries. God bless you.

 

[PeterJens]

What is slightly amusing is seeing people agreeing about a gospel which lacks definition
and backbone, against Gods word that stand strong and unassailable.

It is easy to agree with someone about something you do not like, even when you do not
like it for different reasons, it actually does not bring spiritual wisdom or unity. It tends to
show exactly the opposite. If I am preaching a works gospel you have no gospel at all.

The place you come from is lawlessness, freedom in rebellion.
This is the world of evil, drug dealers, the corrupt, liars, fraudsters, the greedy, terrorists,
revolutionaries who follow feudal power and control. I know families ruled by this world,
were loose sexual relationships dominate, 3 dads and mums, step brothers and sisters,
and violence and abuse happening everywhere.

But maybe this is your background, and that is what you expect and know nothing better.
Jesus bring love, reality, honesty, truth, openness, strength and forgiveness, the water
of life. So make no mistake the light is shinning and there is no where to hide, God knows
and He will convict and bring all the is hidden into the open.

 

[BillG]

Auf wierdersehen pet comes to mind... not sure if that was the 80s.. hehe..

A bit of cockney slang would have them run for the hills.. hehe..

Yes it was.

Jimmy Nail was one of the actors who also had a hit with Crocodile Shoes.

 

[preacher4truth]

I want to put this out there to counter the lies being propagated by others upon those who believe in the imputed righteousness of Christ, eternal security, and that all stages of salvation are already complete in us who are trusting in Christ alone, though these are not yet realized fully, i.e. glorification.

1) We do not believe that since we trust Christ we do nothing as we are falsely accused.

2) We do not love sin, want to sin, or look to find an excuse to sin, as we are falsely accused.

3) We do not shun good works nor do we believe them not to be a part of a true converts walk, as falsely accused as if we do no good works whatsoever. We simply know they add nothing nor gain a thing in our salvation.

4) We do believe in evidence of conversion that stems from sanctification.

 

[mj007]

People just have to be more open about the issues which are the engine to the way they speak. Their struggles, things that make them speak the way they do. When they do that, its stepping outside of the façade and deciding that we are all human, we are all on the same level, with our own unique qualities. Superficial or egotistical qualities are not unique though, they are merely a symptom of an underlying issue.

I mean we want to be connected surely, yet in some dysfunctional way, people can be a part of what disconnects everyone within any environment. And usually it has to do with them feeling a need to be right. As with all our relationships, this is what breaks down those relationships.

Peace is a very sensitive thing.

We are all here together, lets work on it being productive and helpful, uplifting and inspiring. Or not by works, does one listen only to their own agenda. To be right.

Being right is not the same as being discerning. However when people discern the nature in another, often they are attacked by the same person. That is how you know in a way, it was true. And usually the attack takes the form of using your own words against you. It's a very manipulative tactic which always wins an argument if one only cares about being right, rather than - maybe I could choose to be kind for a change??

Everyone has the choice to be right or be kind. I know which one God prefers us to choose. So then the question is, who is right, you, or God?

What is slightly amusing is seeing people agreeing about a gospel which lacks definition
and backbone, against Gods word that stand strong and unassailable.

It is easy to agree with someone about something you do not like, even when you do not
like it for different reasons, it actually does not bring spiritual wisdom or unity. It tends to
show exactly the opposite. If I am preaching a works gospel you have no gospel at all.

The place you come from is lawlessness, freedom in rebellion.
This is the world of evil, drug dealers, the corrupt, liars, fraudsters, the greedy, terrorists,
revolutionaries who follow feudal power and control. I know families ruled by this world,
were loose sexual relationships dominate, 3 dads and mums, step brothers and sisters,
and violence and abuse happening everywhere.

But maybe this is your background, and that is what you expect and know nothing better.
Jesus bring love, reality, honesty, truth, openness, strength and forgiveness, the water
of life. So make no mistake the light is shinning and there is no where to hide, God knows
and He will convict and bring all the is hidden into the open.

 

[BillG]

Auf wierdersehen pet comes to mind... not sure if that was the 80s.. hehe..

A bit of cockney slang would have them run for the hills.. hehe..

Wouldnt it be funny if we had a cockney slang bible?

I knew of a couple of missionaries who went to Papua New Guinea.

To them when Jesus said “I am the bread of life” it had no meaning to them.
Bread wasn’t to staple diet.

I can’t remember what the staple diet was but whatever it was it was in their bible translation.

Given that I’m a Scotsman it probably would be “I am the haggis of life”

 

[TruthTalk]

Quote: PeterJens
"If Christ had backed off" we would not be here. In His sacrifice we now have life and a hope
a future and salvation."

Utter nonsense. The above reaffirms PeterJens works false gospel.

Then there is always the above, taking a jab at the other and lying about them.

Yes, we know you don't believe in the imputed righteousness of Christ, you don't believe He has covered you with His righteousness so you are setting out to proclaim your own.

The above is what someone does when they believe others trust too much in Christ (which is hilariously and sadly asinine).

Yep, it becomes all about them, I, me, me, I, me, me, me, I, me.

Nope, sorry friend the above is not the truth, reality nor is personal self-proclamation the test.
Wait? What? Now you want to talk of Christ and what He has done? "You're putting too much on Christ" it's about you, remember, your self proclaimed love, humility, purity, and holiness which you are too glad to announce to others. Matthew 23:5 at its finest and in full display.

For the record, we are resting in His Words. That doesn't mean however that we, as you accuse falsely, love sin, do nothing, aren't saved &c.

Uh-huh. Sounds token to me.

After Jesus of Nazareth was baptize by John, He went in to the wilderness for 40 day's and 40 Night's, (Proving that He did not eat both day and Night); and then to be tempted by the devil and thereby secure His Credentials as the Messiah as foretold by Prophets of old.

And to ask the question; what if Jesus failed His wilderness experience that was commissioned by God and the Holy Spirit, and then Jesus turns rock's into bread because He became hungry, well that is a very foolish thing to question, because for one Jesus is God and you diminish who he is just by insinuating that God could fail, foolish thought.

If Christ had, "Backed off" is a foolish notion with long term harmful effects.

 

[mj007]

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I want to put this out there to counter the lies being propagated by others upon those who believe in the imputed righteousness of Christ, eternal security, and that all stages of salvation are already complete in us who are trusting in Christ alone, though these are not yet realized fully, i.e. glorification.

1) We do not believe that since we trust Christ we do nothing as we are falsely accused.
Well I think you could make more of an effort to say things kindly, and from your heart. You seem to do nothing in that sense of speaking.


2) We do not love sin, want to sin, or look to find an excuse to sin, as we are falsely accused.
What if you decided you are going to try and put things a nicer way, bury the hatchet with those you deem yourself to be fighting against, and not come out with your wild condemnations? I mean if you say no to such a thing, and continue being the way you are, is that just sinning out of compulsive behaviour even though you 'do not love sin, want to sin, or look for excuses to'?

3) We do not shun good works nor do we believe them not to be a part of a true converts walk, as falsely accused as if we do no good works whatsoever. We simply know they add nothing nor gain a thing in our salvation.
Can you give an example of good works you have done on this thread? Or do works only count when you are outside of the thread?


4) We do believe in evidence of conversion that stems from sanctification.
Well I would like to see this evidence in you, I think it would be a good thing.

 

[Magenta]

Wouldnt it be funny if we had a cockney slang bible?

I knew of a couple of missionaries who went to Papua New Guinea.

To them when Jesus said “I am the bread of life” it had no meaning to them.
Bread wasn’t to staple diet.

I can’t remember what the staple diet was but whatever it was it was in their bible translation.

Given that I’m a Scotsman it probably would be “I am the haggis of life”

"I am the banana of life" just doesn't have the same ring to it

 

[BillG]

"I am the banana of life" just doesn't have the same ring to it

thanks for the laugh

 

[mj007]

Jesus is the bread of life
I am a slice of the bread of life.
And in summer I am a slice of toast.

"I am the banana of life" just doesn't have the same ring to it

 

[loveme1]

Honestly the word works was tied to the Law of Moses.. circumcision was being instructed by those who rejected the Messiah's Testament.. they sought to spy out the liberty we have through Christ to yoke people under bondage to not Believe the Gospel.

Now the King instructs works through His Royal law.. be not offended for the King Himself requires this.

The Imputed Righteousness is that we do not need the deeds of the law.. Blessed indeed.

But you can not hang on to a verse for you could just as easily hang on Blessed are they that Keep His Commandments.. it is speaking of the New Covenant which is of Faith.. Faith that worketh by love.

Now if one comes along and tells you to Keep the law of Moses to be saved you can tell them about the Law of Faith.. the New Testament.

Repent and Believe.

Nothing we do saves us.. no we are to Believe.. but those that Believe are to obey the King.. for He knows then you love Him.

If you say nothing you do changes how GOD sees you because He looks at you through Christ's Righteousness.. you will need a wedding garment on or be removed... for GOD gave us everything through Christ to be forgiven and Reconciled.. so may you be grateful and not using your liberty to excuse disobedience... but to love and provoke good works for our Heavenly Father and our Lord are deserving of love and obedience always and forever.

 

[mj007]