Revelation 12 Sign: September 23,2017
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No - you're close enough. 
The purpose of the Rapture is twofold:
~ Grant to every soul in Christ who takes part in the pre-millennial resurrection a "glorified" body.
~ Separate the righteous from the unrighteous before the Wrath of God is "unleashed" upon the world.
When I wrote that - for the sake of amusement - I was actually thinking more generally about "going to be with the Lord" and the idea that anyone who did would not want to come back to this sinful world we live in.
"My bad."
The purpose of the Rapture is twofold:
~ Grant to every soul in Christ who takes part in the pre-millennial resurrection a "glorified" body.
~ Separate the righteous from the unrighteous before the Wrath of God is "unleashed" upon the world.
When I wrote that - for the sake of amusement - I was actually thinking more generally about "going to be with the Lord" and the idea that anyone who did would not want to come back to this sinful world we live in.
"My bad."
Ah but the wording leads me to believe it means "the Body of Christ" not a Singular Noun for a person.
IF and I say IF this the case, the Woman (Israel) is birthing the "Body of Christ" which would include His Church. They were immediately taken to Heaven.
Now the rest of the verse is later in time. This we know because Jesus told all to run to the mountains when they SEE the AoD. The Antichrist commits the AoD yet the antichrist cannot come upon the scene until the Rapture of the Church has happened.
IF and I say IF this the case, the Woman (Israel) is birthing the "Body of Christ" which would include His Church. They were immediately taken to Heaven.
Now the rest of the verse is later in time. This we know because Jesus told all to run to the mountains when they SEE the AoD. The Antichrist commits the AoD yet the antichrist cannot come upon the scene until the Rapture of the Church has happened.
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I am actually not one of those people who apply the 'year for day' idea to any-and-all scripture that contains a span of time indicated in days.
There has to be a context-based reason for translating 'days' to 'years' or "it stands" as literal days.
As an example of this, consider 2 Peter 3:8 :
2 Peter 3:
[SUP]3[/SUP] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, [SUP]4[/SUP] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. [SUP]5[/SUP] For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: [SUP]6[/SUP] Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: [SUP]7[/SUP] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. [SUP]8[/SUP] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. [SUP]9[/SUP] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. [SUP]10[/SUP] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. [SUP]11[/SUP] Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, [SUP]12[/SUP] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? [SUP]13[/SUP] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
In the context of this passage, verse 8 is a "clue" - given by the author - that indicates to us that - in this passage - the 'day of the Lord' ( verse 10 ) is actually - both - 1000 years - and - the first day of that 1000 years -- because of the description of events associated with it in this passage. It has no 'effect' on any other passage. It is written here strictly for the purpose of helping the reader understand the "full" meaning of what is being said in this passage.
All of the things that are mentioned in verse 10 do not occur at the Second Coming of Christ; some of them occur after the 1000-year reign of Christ. They will happen to a degree - there will be 'fire', and things "burning up" - but, the heavens will not completely pass away - nor will the entire earth be totally destroyed - until after the 1000 years. The new heavens and new earth don't come about until after the 1000 years.
I agree that Numbers 14:34 and Ezekial 4:6 "stand alone" in the same way that 2 Peter 3:8 does.
Revelation 9:
[SUP]15[/SUP] And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
In this passage, the phrase "an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year" is not talking about a span of time; rather, it is talking about a specific point in time that the prophetic event will take place. It is not intended that - an hour - and a day - and a month - and a year - are to be added up; rather, it is a particular point in time - a particular hour of a particular day of a particular month of a particular year.
There has to be a context-based reason for translating 'days' to 'years' or "it stands" as literal days.
As an example of this, consider 2 Peter 3:8 :
2 Peter 3:
[SUP]3[/SUP] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, [SUP]4[/SUP] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. [SUP]5[/SUP] For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: [SUP]6[/SUP] Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: [SUP]7[/SUP] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. [SUP]8[/SUP] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. [SUP]9[/SUP] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. [SUP]10[/SUP] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. [SUP]11[/SUP] Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, [SUP]12[/SUP] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? [SUP]13[/SUP] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
In the context of this passage, verse 8 is a "clue" - given by the author - that indicates to us that - in this passage - the 'day of the Lord' ( verse 10 ) is actually - both - 1000 years - and - the first day of that 1000 years -- because of the description of events associated with it in this passage. It has no 'effect' on any other passage. It is written here strictly for the purpose of helping the reader understand the "full" meaning of what is being said in this passage.
All of the things that are mentioned in verse 10 do not occur at the Second Coming of Christ; some of them occur after the 1000-year reign of Christ. They will happen to a degree - there will be 'fire', and things "burning up" - but, the heavens will not completely pass away - nor will the entire earth be totally destroyed - until after the 1000 years. The new heavens and new earth don't come about until after the 1000 years.
I agree that Numbers 14:34 and Ezekial 4:6 "stand alone" in the same way that 2 Peter 3:8 does.
Revelation 9:
[SUP]15[/SUP] And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
In this passage, the phrase "an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year" is not talking about a span of time; rather, it is talking about a specific point in time that the prophetic event will take place. It is not intended that - an hour - and a day - and a month - and a year - are to be added up; rather, it is a particular point in time - a particular hour of a particular day of a particular month of a particular year.
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
I see the message Here that God is not bound and cannot be measured by time as we Know it. He exists outside of time. what may be a thousand years to man may pass as a day or an hour to God because He is so far beyond us we cannot try to calculate How He sees time. and the message to me in these verses is that though it may seem like its taking a long time, its a good thing for mankind that Gods Patience hasnt run out, More time, Means more people coming to the Lord.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
I see the message Here that God is not bound and cannot be measured by time as we Know it. He exists outside of time. what may be a thousand years to man may pass as a day or an hour to God because He is so far beyond us we cannot try to calculate How He sees time. and the message to me in these verses is that though it may seem like its taking a long time, its a good thing for mankind that Gods Patience hasnt run out, More time, Means more people coming to the Lord.
Revelation and Daniel are the same prophetic language. It is so embedded in me I sometimes forget to explain this fully.
Daniel 7 25 [FONT="]And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time
[/FONT][FONT="]A time here is 360 years.
So a time, 2 times, and half a time = 3.5 X 360 = 1260 years
This is the same time event we see in Revelation 12.
- Keepin it real, the Historicist Posse[/FONT]
Daniel 7 25 [FONT="]And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time
[/FONT][FONT="]A time here is 360 years.
So a time, 2 times, and half a time = 3.5 X 360 = 1260 years
This is the same time event we see in Revelation 12.
- Keepin it real, the Historicist Posse[/FONT]
@Trofimus
The legally recognized supremacy of the Pope began in 538 AD, when Emperor Justinian elevated the Bishop of Rome to the position of Head of all Churches. This is known as the Edict of Justinian.
Adding 1260 years to 538 AD brings us to 1798, which is the year the Pope was deposed when the French General Berthier, under Napoleon, led him into captivity.
The legally recognized supremacy of the Pope began in 538 AD, when Emperor Justinian elevated the Bishop of Rome to the position of Head of all Churches. This is known as the Edict of Justinian.
Adding 1260 years to 538 AD brings us to 1798, which is the year the Pope was deposed when the French General Berthier, under Napoleon, led him into captivity.
H
No - you're close enough.
The purpose of the Rapture is twofold:
~ Grant to every soul in Christ who takes part in the pre-millennial resurrection a "glorified" body.
~ Separate the righteous from the unrighteous before the Wrath of God is "unleashed" upon the world.
When I wrote that - for the sake of amusement - I was actually thinking more generally about "going to be with the Lord" and the idea that anyone who did would not want to come back to this sinful world we live in.
"My bad."
The purpose of the Rapture is twofold:
~ Grant to every soul in Christ who takes part in the pre-millennial resurrection a "glorified" body.
~ Separate the righteous from the unrighteous before the Wrath of God is "unleashed" upon the world.
When I wrote that - for the sake of amusement - I was actually thinking more generally about "going to be with the Lord" and the idea that anyone who did would not want to come back to this sinful world we live in.
"My bad."
It is in fact the gathering of the bride,not "the church"
The church us completely removed,after the rapture,through martyrdom. The AC kills all with out the mark.
Enter Jacob's trouble...Israel's trouble
Yes spoken to the new creature Timothy a member of the chaste virgin bride the church.(no longer male nor female neither Jew not Gentile)
Chaste virgin Bride = Christian = the church
Chaste virgin Bride = born again Israel = church (not all Israel)
Chaste virgin Bride= an inward Jew born of the spirit = church (not outward Jew according to the flesh )
Church = the mother of us all .
Revelation 21 the whole church as Christ's chaste virgin bride.
The woman in Revelation 12 = the chaste virgin bride.
The time of the reformation came over two thousand years ago.
The woman of Revelation 12 is the nation Israel and not the bride of Christ. Genesis 37:9-10 makes if very clear that the woman of Rev.12 is representing the nation Israel. The church will have been caught up 3 1/2 years prior.
The church is made up of both Jew and Gentile and there is also unbelieving Israel, which is the woman of Rev.12 and who will be cared for out in the desert during that last 3 1/2 years.
S
We can't rest easy yet, guys. Apparently, the end of the world is still coming. It was just 'postponed.'
End of world still coming soon, Christian numerologists say -- it was just postponed | Fox News
End of world still coming soon, Christian numerologists say -- it was just postponed | Fox News
