Naming days like the pagans. Why do we do that?

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Sorry, you are incorrect by saying the Feast of unleavened bread begins on the 14th of Abib. According to the Bible, the day begins at sundown, not midnight, or when the sun rises. That's the way to understand what the Bible is saying correctly. Take a look at Genesis creation, evening and then the morning for 6 days straight.
Abib is the first month, March/April

exodus 12:18
In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the twenty first day of the month at evening.
 

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When the Jews were released from bondage that happened on the night of the 14th on the first month Abib of the year.

Feast of the unleavend bread is from the 14th to the 21st,
The lamb was prepared on the 14th. The Feast of Unleavened Bread begins on the 15th.

"And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread." (Leviticus 23:6)
 
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At the last supper, they eat the Passover lamb, and eat unleavend bread.
 
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The lamb was prepared on the 14th. The Feast of Unleavened Bread begins on the 15th.

"And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread." (Leviticus 23:6)
O so are you saying exodus is wrong and Leviticus is right? what does your bible say on exodus 12:18 I don't know your bible you use could you post this passage

exodus 12:18
 

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Abib is the first month, March/April

exodus 12:18
In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the twenty first day of the month at evening.
This is correct. The evening of the 14th is the beginning of the 15th day because the day starts at evening. Sundown to sundown is the way the days are calculated according to creation. At the beginning of the 15th day is the beginning of unleavened bread.
 

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Christ Instructed Keeping Passover on 14th

Christ was killed in the afternoon[daytime] of the 14th. But Christ keep the Passover
the night portion of the 14th—that is, the night before the day Christ was crucified.

Insisting that because John mentions the Passover as occurring on the evening after
Christ’s sacrifice, that the Passover Christ kept the previous evening was just a Last Supper
or some kind of “love feast.” But Christ makes it very clear in Matthew, Mark and Luke
that the disciples were to prepare the Passover.

“Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed
to be crucified” (Matthew 26:2). Clarke’s Commentary states regarding this verse:

“This feast began on the fourteenth day of the first moon, in the first month, Nisan, and it
lasted only one day; but it was immediately followed by the days of unleavened bread, which
were seven, so that the whole lasted eight days, and all the eight days are sometimes called
the feast of the passover, and sometimes the feast or days of unleavened bread.”

these days were generally called the Passover or the feast of Unleavened Bread, meaning the
whole eight days, including the Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread. Matthew says,
“after two days is the feast of the passover.” In Mark 14:1 it says, “After two days was the
feast of the passover, and of unleavened bread.” And in Luke 22:1 it says, “Now the feast of
unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.”

All three use slightly different terminologies, but the meaning is the same.

The same is true for John 19:14. On the day Christ was crucified, John wrote that the
“preparation of the passover” was at hand. It is true that this was just before Christ died
on the afternoon of the 14th; but in verse 31, John makes it clear what this preparation was for.

“The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon
the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their
legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.”

At sunset, after Christ died, the “high day,” or holy day (the first day of Unleavened Bread),
began. The Jews were preparing for their passover, not “the Lord’s” (Leviticus 23:5).

Matthew 26:17-18 read: “Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples
came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?
And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is
at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples.”

The Greek word for “passover” in these two verses is pascha. Strong’s Concordance
defines this word as, “the Passover, the meal, the festival.” Any lexicon verifies this definition.

Verse 19 continues, “And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready
the passover.” They made ready the Passover—same Greek word. If this event was only
referring to a final meal or last supper, certainly the word pascha would not have been inspired.


Notice Mark’s account: “And wheresoever he shall go in, say ye to the goodman of the house,
The Master saith, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?”
(Mark 14:14). Same Greek word—pascha. This same word is also used in Luke 22: 15
“And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer”

Let’s again notice Matthew 26:18: “And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him,
The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples.”

Those who advocate a 15th-of-Nisan Passover and say this was just some kind of final dinner
are actually saying Jesus Christ did not know what He was talking about! Jesus said,
“I will keep the Passover … with my disciples.”

This makes it plain that when Jesus gathered with His disciples the night He was betrayed
by Judas, it was indeed the Passover!

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The next morning, after the betrayal, the Jews brought Jesus before the Sanhedrin. (John 18:28)
“Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves
went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover”

This was before [the Jews’ passover]. The holy day was to start at sunset of that evening. Remember,
the Jews did not want to kill Him on a feast day for fear of what the people might do (Matthew 26:5).

They also wanted to be sure that the bodies did not remain on the stake during the holy day (John 19:31).
Then around 3 o’clock in the afternoon on the 14th, Christ died (Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34).
The Passover meal and sacrifice all occurred on the 14th of Nisan.
 

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At the last supper, they eat the Passover lamb, and eat unleavend bread.
And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. (Exodus 12:8)

Please calculate the days from sundown to sundown, and not from midnight to midnight.
 
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This is correct. The evening of the 14th is the beginning of the 15th day because the day starts at evening. Sundown to sundown is the way the days are calculated according to creation. At the beginning of the 15th day is the beginning of unleavened bread.
So the Passover is on the 14th day and the beginning of the unleavened bread is on the 15th day at 6pm or 12th hour of day light.

so Jesus was arrested on the 14th during on of the night watches, and crucified at 9th hour in the afternoon.

if so then I don't like how they author of exodus worded it, it seems it's implying a 14th start to the unleavened bread feast just saying, He could have have said what is in Leviticus at the beginning of the 15th.

exodus 12:18 is quite misleading in how it is wrote.
 

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To all involved, It's the day that matters according to Passover and the last supper. Not the hour in which the last supper was eaten. Jesus and the disciples ate the last supper before dawn on the 14th. The 15th is/was a "high day." Granted, Israel ate the Passover (a Lamb not a day) before sunrise on the 15th day. It was to be completely consumed before the dawn of the 15th day. Whatever was left was to be completely burned by fire. Jesus words as follows...

And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer: (Luke 22:15)

He couldn't eat the Passover while on the cross, but it was still the same day as in Exodus chapter 12.
 
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And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. (Exodus 12:8)

Please calculate the days from sundown to sundown, and not from midnight to midnight.
intersesting so what were they eating the flesh in that night, can't be the Passover feast correct?

cant eat unleavened bread with that meal, like you said the unleavend bread starts on the 15th
 

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Christ instructed the Apostle Paul about the symbols that had been changed on that last Passover
before His crucifixion (Matthew 26:26-30; Luke 22:15-20). Paul explained to the Corinthians that
Christ was our Passover. Notice 1 Corinthians 5:7: “Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may
be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us.”

Paul further explains the Passover in 1 Corinthians 11:23. “For I have received of the Lord that which
also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread.”

Paul and God’s people at that time were to eat the bread and drink the wine. When? On “the same night
in which he Christ was [betrayed]” (verse 23): the beginning part, the evening of the 14th.

Again, the time setting is the evening of the 14th—the night Jesus was betrayed by Judas.
Paul goes on to explain the changed symbols. “And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said,
Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same
manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood:
this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me” (verses 24-25).

There can be no doubt that what Paul is talking about is the Passover Christ kept with His disciples.
Paul instructed God’s Church to keep the Passover at the same time and the same way that Christ
kept it. It was to be kept in remembrance of Christ.

Now notice the next verse which makes it very plain. “For as often as ye eat this bread,
and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord’s death till he come” (verse 26).

Some assume that, since Christ was crucified on the afternoon of the 14th, the lamb must have been
slain in the afternoon of the 14th in the Old Testament and that the Passover meal must have been
that night on the 15th.

The night Christ was betrayed, which He plainly called the Passover, they ate the bread and drank
the wine for what? To “show the Lord’s death till he come”! Paul’s group followed that example
precisely. In the New Testament, Christ changed the symbols, not the day.
 

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So the Passover is on the 14th day and the beginning of the unleavened bread is on the 15th day at 6pm or 12th hour of day light.

so Jesus was arrested on the 14th during on of the night watches, and crucified at 9th hour in the afternoon.

if so then I don't like how they author of exodus worded it, it seems it's implying a 14th start to the unleavened bread feast just saying, He could have have said what is in Leviticus at the beginning of the 15th.

exodus 12:18 is quite misleading in how it is wrote.
The Passover is a Lamb, not a day. Please disregard the time of day. That's not Biblical. The 9th hour is when He died (3PM), not when He was crucified. He was hung on he cross on the 3rd hour (9AM). Exodus 12:18 is easier to understand when we are able to comprehend that "evening" represents the beginning of the following day.
 

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The Church After the Apostles
But what about after the time of Christ and the New Testament apostles?

Is there any proof that the Church after the apostles kept the Passover on the 14th?
On page 141 of Eusebius Ecclestical History, it mentions that Polycarp went to Rome to discuss
with Anicetus, the head of the Roman church, a topic concerning the day of the Passover.

Polycarp had been instructed by the apostles and had been appointed head of the Church at Smyrna
by the apostles. Eusebius writes that “he [Polycarp] always taught what he had learned from the
apostles,what the Church handed down and what is the only true doctrine.” He mentions there was
considerable discussion about the difference of opinion concerning the Passover:

“The churches of all Asia guided by a remoter tradition supposed that they ought to keep the 14th day
of the moon for the festival of the Savior’s Passover.” This was around a.d. 154, when Polycrates,
who followed Polycarp, stated, “We observe the exact day: neither adding, nor taking away.”

Notice they kept the 14th day for the Passover. So here is historical evidence that the apostles and
the New Testament Church kept the Passover on the 14th, also indicating there was still controversy
on which day to observe it, the 14th or the 15th.

Remember, the Jews kept it a day later than Christ, and later Jewish converts could have brought
this controversy into the New Testament Church when they were converted to Christianity.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartodecimanism
Many have heard of what is called the “quartodeciman controversy.”
Quarto means four, and deciman means ten; together that totals 14.

In the early New Testament Church, after Christ died, there arose this quartodeciman controversy.
The Christians who were keeping the 14th Passover were called into question about their beliefs.
It appears that the Jews began to make division concerning the 14th or the 15th Passover observance.

There is evidence that this movement began right after the fall of Jerusalem, and the Jews could no
longer offer a temple sacrificial lamb on the evening before the 15th because the temple had been
destroyed. The Jewish passover at that point became exclusively a 15th of Nisan Passover.
It is still that way today. the Passover Christ kept with His disciples was the 14th.


Notice again in 1 Corinthians 11:23: “For I have received of the Lord that which also I
delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread.”

This is the day the Apostle Paul taught Christians to observe the Passover.

the night Jesus Christ observed His last Passover was on the 14th! the traditional Jewish Passover
(15th observance), is traditions of men, which are contrary to the truth of God.

The Apostle Paul in Galatians 2 soundly and publicly rebuked Peter and the other Jews for making
the Gentiles Judaize by following the tradition of the Jews in place of the teachings of God.

Jesus, without reservation, totally rejected the Jews’ religious traditions, because in holding
to their traditions, they rejected and set aside the commandments of God. (Mark 7:7-9).

The Passover only pictures the death of Christ for the remission of sins that are past (Romans 3:25).
The seven days of Unleavened Bread following Passover picture to us the complete putting away of sin

To what extent shall we put away sin? Not partially, but completely! And, as leaven is also a type of sin
(1 Corinthians 5:8)—leaven puffs up, and so does sin, and seven is God’s number symbolizing completeness
 
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a (evening) per say as to how Jewish calander is can be two things the evening at 5:30pm on the 13th and the evening at 6:30pm the 14th. It's a tuff call.
 

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intersesting so what were they eating the flesh in that night, can't be the Passover feast correct?

cant eat unleavened bread with that meal, like you said the unleavened bread starts on the 15th
The last supper happened during the 14th, the same as God told Israel to begin eating the Passover. Same day. The 14th day is the day to prepare the meal with both meat and bread. That's New Testament and the same as Exodus chapter 12. Jesus said the bread was representative of His body.

"And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath," (Mark 15:42)

"And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on." (Luke 23:54)

"The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away." (John 19:31)

We see that the day of preparation is actually the 14th. That's the day the Lamb is slaughtered.

 
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Today the sun has set in Israel right around 7:08pm a hour after the changing of a day even in Jesus time and before that as well.

Evening ends with the sun sets and the stars come out explain that.
 
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I think to many just assume at 6pm the evening ends and that's not the case in reality.
 

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a (evening) per say as to how Jewish calander is can be two things the evening at 5:30pm on the 13th and the evening at 6:30pm the 14th. It's a tuff call.
Go by scripture only, my friend. It' much easier.