Has anyone heard of Ravi Zacharias?

[MarcR]

I don't think his position as a believer has any bearing here.
If you are suggesting that, were he an unbeliever, that a different approach should be taken, I cannot agree with that.

This is not an issue of faith or belief but actually a common law and ethical question to which all of us are subject to:
Slander is both illegal and unethical...
This understanding is common to believers and unbelievers alike!

We seem to have a different understanding of what constitutes slander.

The film posted by Speak2Me was unquestionably slander; but Speak2Me's posting of it IMO was not.

As I understand the nature of Slander, an intent to harm the reputation of the person slandered must be the primary motivation, not just the result.

Expressing the opinion that a person's teaching is unsound cannot be slander because there is no consensus on what constitutes sound doctrine. A forum, such as this is a proper venue for airing and discussing such opinions.

 

[graceNpeace]

We seem to have a different understanding of what constitutes slander.

The film posted by Speak2Me was unquestionably slander; but Speak2Me's posting of it IMO was not.

As I understand the nature of Slander, an intent to harm the reputation of the person slandered must be the primary motivation, not just the result.

Expressing the opinion that a person's teaching is unsound cannot be slander because there is no consensus on what constitutes sound doctrine. A forum, such as this is a proper venue for airing and discussing such opinions.

It is when the basis of the argument is false in fact!
The issue has not been whether a specific doctrine to which RZ may hold is right or wrong.
Remember, the initial accusation was that RZ was deliberately misrepresenting himself - the truth, or falsity, of that does not depend on what constitutes sound Christian doctrine!

Also, he has had plenty of opportunity to reverse course, apologise, whatever, but, instead, he has continued to cast aspersions on the character of RZ even until today (today I was challenged to go and dig up all the dirt on the internet pertaining to RZ so that I could see for myself what a scoundrel he obviously is)!

I do not see his posts as an unfortunate misunderstanding - he clearly has an agenda to which he is sticking - irrespective of the evidence...

 

[preacher4truth]

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That I have in bold, and in quotations marks, tells these eyes, anyways, that, this ravi, whatever, whoever....Does not believe that it was the Spirit of GOD, that raised Jesus Christ FROM the dead! Thus PROVING, HIS authority over life AND death, by the raising of HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN? Tells me, to stay away from this guy!

What a ridiculous accusation. Goodness sake. There is nothing wrong with his statement at all.

 

[Amazing-Grace]

What a ridiculous accusation. Goodness sake. There is nothing wrong with his statement at all.

I agree, it's nit picking of the highest order.

 

[preacher4truth]

I agree, it's nit picking of the highest order.

Was listening to Ravi today, and he was using Bible.

 

[Adstar]

Unless you have a specific reference to this I suggest that you withdraw it!
I have just watched a video of RZ explaining his approach to the RCC - there is no unconditional acceptance of the RCC as Christian.
He does say that there will be real Christians in the RCC and phrases it like this: It is possible to be a good Christian and a bad Catholic!

Is Roman Catholicism a cult? - Ravi Zacharias at Texas A&M's Veritas Forum

I spent a long time watching Ravi's Utube videos and i watched his video where he claimed catholics where fellow Christians.. And i stand on what i have posted before God.. If Ravi is giving one message one day and then turning around and giving another message the other day depending on the audience he has before him then that makes him even more reprehensible and a man even less worthy of support as far as i am concerned..

This following video Ravi's states that in the catholic church there are many true followers of Christ .. He says this at 9:00 minute mark.. of this video if you want to quickly access the comment..

As a former catholic i know that a true member of the Catholic church by definition is one who submits to all the teachings of the Authority of the catholic church.. That means ALL catholics believe in purgatory .. they believe in praying repetitious prayers to Mary a dead human and so much more.. For Ravi to state that there are many catholics that are true Christians is him spitting in the face of the LORD Jesus Christ and a Huge disservice for anyone who is in the darkness of the catholic church..

I am glad i did not discover Ravi Zacharias when i was a catholic.. I am glad i was a well founded Christian before i started listening to him.. I will never listen to him ever again..

 

[Adstar]

I spent a long time watching Ravi's Utube videos and i watched his video where he claimed catholics where fellow Christians.. And i stand on what i have posted before God.. If Ravi is giving one message one day and then turning around and giving another message the other day depending on the audience he has before him then that makes him even more reprehensible and a man even less worthy of support as far as i am concerned..

This following video Ravi's states that in the catholic church there are many true followers of Christ .. He says this at 9:00 minute mark.. of this video if you want to quickly access the comment..

As a former catholic i know that a true member of the Catholic church by definition is one who submits to all the teachings of the Authority of the catholic church.. That means ALL catholics believe in purgatory .. they believe in praying repetitious prayers to Mary a dead human and so much more.. For Ravi to state that there are many catholics that are true Christians is him spitting in the face of the LORD Jesus Christ and a Huge disservice for anyone who is in the darkness of the catholic church..

I am glad i did not discover Ravi Zacharias when i was a catholic.. I am glad i was a well founded Christian before i started listening to him.. I will never listen to him ever again..

Here is the version of the video i was taking about 9.00 minute mark is the comment he made..

[video=youtube;pB-12mFzfV0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB-12mFzfV0&t=880s[/video]

 

[graceNpeace]

I spent a long time watching Ravi's Utube videos and i watched his video where he claimed catholics where fellow Christians.. And i stand on what i have posted before God.. If Ravi is giving one message one day and then turning around and giving another message the other day depending on the audience he has before him then that makes him even more reprehensible and a man even less worthy of support as far as i am concerned..

This following video Ravi's states that in the catholic church there are many true followers of Christ .. He says this at 9:00 minute mark.. of this video if you want to quickly access the comment..

As a former catholic i know that a true member of the Catholic church by definition is one who submits to all the teachings of the Authority of the catholic church.. That means ALL catholics believe in purgatory .. they believe in praying repetitious prayers to Mary a dead human and so much more.. For Ravi to state that there are many catholics that are true Christians is him spitting in the face of the LORD Jesus Christ and a Huge disservice for anyone who is in the darkness of the catholic church..

I am glad i did not discover Ravi Zacharias when i was a catholic.. I am glad i was a well founded Christian before i started listening to him.. I will never listen to him ever again..

There is nothing different from what RZ said in the video link I posted.

Never does RZ validate the RCC.
What he does say is that he believes that there are true believers in the RCC.
He also states that he has asked several of these individuals why they do not leave the RCC - the answer these people give is that they wish to remain in the RCC as a witness to the truth.

This frenzied determination to demonise RZ based on the flimsiest 'evidence' is just ridiculous...

 

[Amazing-Grace]

I kind of agree with Ravi here. Just because we attend a certain church, doesn't mean we agree 100% with their doctrine. Individuals are not denominations. I don't believe that God looks at your denomination, indeed I doubt He even recognises man-made denoms. God looks at the heart of individuals. Romans 10:9 tells us what we must do to be saved, there is no mention of being saved according to which church you attend. Do I believe SOME Roman Catholics are saved? Yes - some. Many are deceived by RC doctrine but their hearts are right with God.

 

[MarcR]

Here is the version of the video i was taking about 9.00 minute mark is the comment he made..

[video=youtube;pB-12mFzfV0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB-12mFzfV0&t=880s[/video]

IMO RZ should have made a clear and definitive statement that many teachings of the RCC are heretical.

After having said that (which he did not) he could have qualified his remarks with a comment about there being true believers within the RCC.

IMO if one assumes the role of an apologist; one must at all times place TRUTH over Political Correctness; and in this case I don't see that.

IMO this seems to vindicate Blades impression of RZ. Equivocation and Apologetics don't mix well.

 

[Amazing-Grace]

IMO RZ should have made a clear and definitive statement that many teachings of the RCC are heretical.

After having said that (which he did not) he could have qualified his remarks with a comment about there being true believers within the RCC.

IMO if one assumes the role of an apologist; one must at all times place TRUTH over Political Correctness; and in this case I don't see that.

IMO this seems to vindicate Blades impression of RZ. Equivocation and Apologetics don't mix well.

You are right, he should have mentioned it.

 

[Amazing-Grace]

Incidentally, it's not only the RC church that is heretical: First same-sex Anglican church wedding takes place in Edinburgh - BBC News

 

[graceNpeace]

IMO RZ should have made a clear and definitive statement that many teachings of the RCC are heretical.

After having said that (which he did not) he could have qualified his remarks with a comment about there being true believers within the RCC.

IMO if one assumes the role of an apologist; one must at all times place TRUTH over Political Correctness; and in this case I don't see that.

IMO this seems to vindicate Blades impression of RZ. Equivocation and Apologetics don't mix well.

Well, we should just all stone him to death then...

Not for what he said but because of what we think he should have said!
I am glad none of you are lawyers...

 

[shittim]

I know he has done and is doing more for the Kingdom than most I know, myself included.

 

[Amazing-Grace]

I think that we could go to any one preacher or apologist and find a chink in their armour if we had the desire to do it. I see Ravi as one of the best. No one is perfect.

 

[shittim]

well said, thank you
If we are focused on Jesus, we won't have time to tear down our brothers and sisters.

 

[graceNpeace]

I think that we could go to any one preacher or apologist and find a chink in their armour if we had the desire to do it. I see Ravi as one of the best. No one is perfect.

And condemn them for not thinking of every possible way that that they might be wilfully misunderstood!

 

[joaniemarie]

I agree, it's nit picking of the highest order.

I can see them now., the high order of nit pickers looks a lot like the Shriners with those tasseled hats...

 

[MarcR]

Well, we should just all stone him to death then...

Not for what he said but because of what we think he should have said!
I am glad none of you are lawyers...

How does a belief that a single response to a single question was inadequate invalidate his ministry, much less call for harsh punishment.

The teachings of the RCC are indeed heretical; and for an apologist to equivocate on that is wrong!

We are all wrong occasionally, and when we are; we should be glad to have our error brought to our attention.

In any case; when someone who is in a public ministry makes a glaring error, it is the duty of those who recognize the error to call it to the attention of those who are less grounded.

 

[Bladerunner]

I think that we could go to any one preacher or apologist and find a chink in their armour if we had the desire to do it. I see Ravi as one of the best. No one is perfect.

Do you support Billy Graham? If NOT then you need to hear some of his sermons.

Everybody has a chink. I myself have many. But in this day and times, one cannot 'mollycoddle' the unbeliever in fear of turning them further away from Jesus. They need to now what they are facing...Very few Churches today, preach or teach bout Hell Fire and Brimstone as my grandfather did in his day.

I said "RUN" in my post trying to get people into looking into Ravi's background and what he actually preaches. In my opinion he comes as close to Bill Graham as I have seen.

What I did not do, was produce link (s) associated with what I believe. Here is one that was originally put out in Dec 2014 and update in February 2016. Ecumenical False Prophet Dr. Ravi Zacharias

There is a plethora of information (good and bad) out there, all one has to do is earnestly look for it.