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Interestingly those most disturbed over Servetus suffer from severe doctrinal errors themselves. Seems they're saying in essence "Hey, that could've been me!!!!!" 
I also know that those declared guilty in one country wasn't usually tried in another on the charges of heresy. That's how many fled the RCC.
BTW, there you go again with your judging another without knowing them. That's seems to be one of the things that makes you infamous.
I wasn't saying it wasn't, I was making a point regarding Nehemiah's post, which is really ignorant of the facts. Again I state I am not defending Calvin, just putting proper context which seems the proper christian thing to do! I also have not stated that it was right or wrong, just as I did not state whether it was right or wrong for a Christian judge to condemn a man to execution for breaking the law of the land. You have to look at the law for yourself and see if breaks any of God's commands.
That is Calvinism
It didn't disturb me a bit, nor have you factually substantiated your claims of a strawman. Neither Osteen nor Copeland are evangelicals, and you've failed to state the straw man. All you've done is to defend two well known heretics.
Not so, rather we have a person protecting the wolves while denigrating the true Gospel preached by Calvinists.
It didn't disturb me a bit, nor have you factually substantiated your claims of a strawman. Neither Osteen nor Copeland are evangelicals, and you've failed to state the straw man. All you've done is to defend two well known heretics.
Not so, rather we have a person protecting the wolves while denigrating the true Gospel preached by Calvinists.
I fully agree with Romans bro...but am telling you that I have personally met people who have never heard of Jesus, salvation, why they needed it etc.....and the bible is clear...entire cities, peoples and nations were destroyed by Joshua and in the flood that had not heard nor been given the opportunity.....just understanding one's condition per the Roman's text does not equal hearing the truth and or having the opportunity to be born from above.....even today there are South American and African cultures that have not heard nor seen.....
HOW SHALL THEY HEAR EXCEPT ONE BE SENT.....Jonah is a prime example...had he not been sent and PREACHED...THE ENTIRE population of Nineveh would have been decimated.
HOW SHALL THEY HEAR EXCEPT ONE BE SENT.....Jonah is a prime example...had he not been sent and PREACHED...THE ENTIRE population of Nineveh would have been decimated.
New Tribes Missions now Ethnos360 seeks to reach the unreached. Those who say all have heard are in denial and such teachings, which are in fact false, are designed to get God "off the hook" for his Sovereignty in salvation as if he needs vindicated. It is a fact that not all had heard in the NT era.
Yeah, ok thanks I get ya, but I think we also have to read the whole story and not just one verse to get the actual meaning from it. After reading all the scripture, looks to me like God gave him chance after chance and Pharaoh made the wrong choice. So yeah, God already knew it...but he didn't make that choice for him...He allowed him to make his own choices and then Pharaoh was punished for it. Every time he chose not to listen God brought another plague on him and it just got worse and worse because he continued to make the wrong decision.
All because peoples criteria for God to be God is that he must soccomb to their idea of fairness. In biblical language they are Romans 9:20 people.
These same think they know more about what it takes to be God than God himself.
But God is still enthroned in all his glory, and some of that glory they simply do not like.
These same think they know more about what it takes to be God than God himself.
But God is still enthroned in all his glory, and some of that glory they simply do not like.
Well said. God knows the end from the beginning. Yet He gave evil Pharaoh opportunity after opportunity to repent. That is a fundamental principle of God's grace. He gives all sinners multiple opportunities to repent. And He certainly would not have PREVENTED Pharaoh from repenting, since He sent Moses to plead with Pharaoh again and again. That was not a sham pleading by Moses. God even sent those plagues upon Egypt to bring Pharaoh to his knees. But this evil man was committed to his evil deeds (and under the full control of Satan) and refused to repent over and over again. Finally God hardened his heart, which meant that he was eternally damned and would not have another opportunity from God.
Calvinists deliberately fail to present the truth regarding Pharaoh because in their warped theology God had already damned Pharaoh from before creation. But the facts of the case are entirely different. The book of Jonah totally destroys Calvinistic theology since it shows that even though God had planned to destroy Nineveh, and even though Jonah did not want to preach repentance to Nineveh, God caused Jonah to go through the entire city warning them about their judgment to come. One would have imagined that those Ninevites were already predestined to Hell, but lo and behold, the exact opposite happened.
5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
The passage says that "the people of Nineveh BELIEVED God..." When Abraham believed God, it was accounted to him for righteousness. The same principle prevailed in Nineveh, and God RELENTED (since God has no need to repent, but certainly relents when sinners repent).
Calvinists deliberately fail to present the truth regarding Pharaoh because in their warped theology God had already damned Pharaoh from before creation. But the facts of the case are entirely different. The book of Jonah totally destroys Calvinistic theology since it shows that even though God had planned to destroy Nineveh, and even though Jonah did not want to preach repentance to Nineveh, God caused Jonah to go through the entire city warning them about their judgment to come. One would have imagined that those Ninevites were already predestined to Hell, but lo and behold, the exact opposite happened.
5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
The passage says that "the people of Nineveh BELIEVED God..." When Abraham believed God, it was accounted to him for righteousness. The same principle prevailed in Nineveh, and God RELENTED (since God has no need to repent, but certainly relents when sinners repent).