The End is Near for Dispensationalism - it's cracking apart..

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Nehemiah6

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Dispensationalists have really been taking it on the chin lately, haven't they?
Since nothing of substance has been presented to refute Dispensationalism, it is the opponents of Dispensationlism who have been getting hammered (through self-inflicted wounds).

No serious student of Scripture can deny that God has been dealing with humankind at different times in different ways, but all those who believed God since Abel were justified by grace through faith (Hebrews 11).

Also, no serious student of Scripture can deny that only certain portions of the Abrahamic Covenant have been fulfilled, or that the Rapture of the Church has always been imminent, or that the second coming of Christ will be preceded by the Great Tribulation followed by a stupendous shaking of the heavens and the earth.

What is frequently lacking -- and this is shocking -- is the absence of total honesty by those who attack Dispensationalism. Therefore they resort to ad hominem attacks on genuine Christians such as Darby, Scofield, etc.

Also, while many evangelicals and fundamentalists hold to Dispensationalism, everyone is not in total agreement about everything (and this is not necessarily an issue). For example, many Dispensationalists believe that there was a "Dispensation of Innocence" (Genesis 1 & 2). Well the impression we receive from Scripture is that no sooner had God settled Adam and Eve in Eden than Satan entered into the garden and ruined everything. So was this really a dispensation? The word "dispensation" is equivalent to "stewardship" but we see no stewardship by Adam whatsoever.

Also some Dispensationalists believe in the Gap Theory (a period of time between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2), but again, there is no evidence of any such gap, or any other creatures on earth before the six days of creation.

However, the fundamental principle of recognizing different covenants (and their related time spans) as different dispensations is sound, and there is no question that Revelation is progressive. That is why we see the tree of life on earth in Genesis, but the same tree of life in Heaven in Revelation. We see the Ark of the Covenant on earth in Exodus and the same Ark of the Covenant in Heaven in Revelation.
 

Locutus

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James 1:1 James, a bond-servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes who are dispersed abroad: Greetings

"twelve tribes" = chopped liver, not of the 144,000.....


James 1:18 In the exercise of His will He brought us forth by the word of truth, so that we would be a kind of first fruits among His creatures.

Rev 14:3 and they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one could learn the song except the one hundred and forty-four thousand who had been purchased from the earth.

Rev 14:4 These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, for they have kept themselves chaste. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been purchased from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb.
 

Locutus

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The best you dispen-sensationlists come up with is still a contradiction of what John says in his revelation and what James says to the 12 tribes.
 

iamsoandso

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Not wasting my time - I looked at preterism through dispensational spectacles and could see preterism made more sense than the specs I was looking through.

One day, maybe some of you will wake up to dispensational errors just as these progressive dispensationalists are doing.

lol, At 64,lol you thought through one thing and "so to speak you jumped out of the pan and into the fire". Now you need to look at the things I have spoken to you about,,,,the mark,why they "did not have it in ad66-70",AOD ect.

lol,your convinced "one of the two are correct" and it's eating you alive trying to be the man that proves it,crow like the yard rooster and such now you need to look at preterism and wipe the smudges off your spectacles
 

Locutus

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lol, At 64,lol you thought through one thing and "so to speak you jumped out of the pan and into the fire". Now you need to look at the things I have spoken to you about,,,,the mark,why they "did not have it in ad66-70",AOD ect.

lol,your convinced "one of the two are correct" and it's eating you alive trying to be the man that proves it,crow like the yard rooster and such now you need to look at preterism and wipe the smudges off your spectacles
I see ya back Mark-us....I was waiting for you to respond in my Dwight Pentalost thread and discuss the relevant scripture quotes he uses.

You and the "mark"......
 

iamsoandso

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I see ya back Mark-us....I was waiting for you to respond in my Dwight Pentalost thread and discuss the relevant scripture quotes he uses.

You and the "mark"......

lol, your convinced I am in one of the two camps,,,there is your error. Put your spectacles on and try to answer what I ask...
 

Locutus

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Come off the fence Markus - I've got a nice camping spot for ya - yer can even sit under yer own tree...


Really, I have no clue what camp, bedsit, motel, flop house or other you "reside" in - you've never stated any position other than the "mark".

I know yer a Mark-sist...
 

iamsoandso

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Come off the fence Markus - I've got a nice camping spot for ya - yer can even sit under yer own tree...


Really, I have no clue what camp, bedsit, motel, flop house or other you "reside" in - you've never stated any position other than the "mark".

I know yer a Markist...

You seem to count me as an enemy in your speech,lol. It is and always will boil down to what I told you and it is a very uncomfortable thing to wake in the morning and live the whole day and then lay in the bed at night and know that the only thing you might know for sure is that you might not know. Look for the truth instead of if preterism or D'ism are the only two...
 

Locutus

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You seem to count me as an enemy in your speech,lol. It is and always will boil down to what I told you and it is a very uncomfortable thing to wake in the morning and live the whole day and then lay in the bed at night and know that the only thing you might know for sure is that you might not know. Look for the truth instead of if preterism or D'ism are the only two...
Not yer enemy Markus - I don't know where you keep coming up with that.

The truth is explained by Full Preterism, it's the only eschatology that makes sense without contradictions, it can't explain every detail as I've said (such as your hangup with the "mark".)

Dispensationalism is being modified to Progressive Disp. to try and sort out the contradictions seen by those that know it well.

All you will see with FP is an expansion of the understanding and a filling in of details.
 

Locutus

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I was looking forward to "dueling" with you in my Dwight Pentalost thread but you never came back to it..too bad.
 

iamsoandso

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Not yer enemy Markus - I don't know where you keep coming up with that.

The truth is explained by Full Preterism, it's the only eschatology that makes sense without contradictions, it can't explain every detail as I've said (such as your hangup with the "mark".)

Dispensationalism is being modified to Progressive Disp. to try and sort out the contradictions seen by those that know it well.

All you will see with FP is an expansion of the understanding and a filling in of details.

This is a misnomer you cannot state that FP explains everything and then turn around and say that it cannot, but you are wise to take your own advice...
 

iamsoandso

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I was looking forward to "dueling" with you in my Dwight Pentalost thread but you never came back to it..too bad.

Dueling,lol,,,,shouldn't you daddy stand back to back with me instead?
 
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This is a misnomer you cannot state that FP explains everything and then turn around and say that it cannot, but you are wise to take your own advice...
I think you will find that he said it "made sense without contradictions", not that it explained everything. None of our doctrines does that except for the fantasy world of Catholicism.
 

Locutus

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I think sosandso is a closet catholic meself Willie.
 

iamsoandso

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I think you will find that he said it "made sense without contradictions", not that it explained everything. None of our doctrines does that except for the fantasy world of Catholicism.

I beg to differ WT,,, no offence but it would be hard pressed to say that those involved in the revolt (ad66-70) both worshipped Caesar as God and bought and sold with his money when they both "revolted/rebelled" and minted their own coins(proven by history)...
 
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Not yer enemy Markus - I don't know where you keep coming up with that.

The truth is explained by Full Preterism, it's the only eschatology that makes sense without contradictions, it can't explain every detail as I've said (such as your hangup with the "mark".)

Dispensationalism is being modified to Progressive Disp. to try and sort out the contradictions seen by those that know it well.

All you will see with FP is an expansion of the understanding and a filling in of details.
I beg to differ WT,,, no offence but it would be hard pressed to say that those involved in the revolt (ad66-70) both worshipped Caesar as God and bought and sold with his money when they both "revolted/rebelled" and minted their own coins(proven by history)...
Both his points are clearly put forth right there.... in one sentence.
 

iamsoandso

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Both his points are clearly put forth right there.... in one sentence.
and then it reduces it's self to the same ground that D'ism is on "IT CANT EXPLAIN EVERY DETAIL AS I HAVE EXPLAINED"(quote from Locutus),,,,,,,,,,
 

Locutus

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and then it reduces it's self to the same ground that D'ism is on "IT CANT EXPLAIN EVERY DETAIL AS I HAVE EXPLAINED"(quote from Locutus),,,,,,,,,,
No it doesn't - I said no contradictions - dispensationalism has many contradictions - you have to show from what I've posted from scripture the contradictions - contradictions to my posts is not refutation.

As for the mark there is no contradictions presented by me because I've stated I can't explain it from history. Whereas dispensationalism can invent anything to explain something that is supposedly yet to happen.

Big difference - FP looks back at history to make sense of the scriptures - disp makes stuff up...
 
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iamsoandso

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No it doesn't - I said no contradictions - dispensationalism has many contradictions - you have to show from what I've posted from
Explain it to us then "WHO HAD THE MARK,WHEN WHY AND HOW",,,