Anyone fearful of the Mark of the Beast?

[Bladerunner]

To to my knowledge Holy Spirit is omnipresent. If Christian being rapture, Holy Spirit still present every where(omnipresent)

Ah, the Holy Spirit. Yes, he is present around the world even after the Rapture. However, He is the restrainer and once the Church is Caught-up, the restraints that He has placed on earth dwellers are thrown away. Then you see just how evil man can get


There is one view; The Holy Spirit is within everyone in the Church (Body of Christ). This was not before and will not be after the Church is Caught-up in the air. In the Gap and the following Daniel's 70th week, in order for people to be saved they will have to prove it by dying while professing Jesus Christ. In other words, the Grace by Faith and Faith Alone will be over for everyone left on earth.

 

[Ellsworth1943]

Ah, the Holy Spirit. Yes, he is present around the world even after the Rapture. However, He is the restrainer and once the Church is Caught-up, the restraints that He has placed on earth dwellers are thrown away. Then you see just how evil man can get


There is one view; The Holy Spirit is within everyone in the Church (Body of Christ). This was not before and will not be after the Church is Caught-up in the air. In the Gap and the following Daniel's 70th week, in order for people to be saved they will have to prove it by dying while professing Jesus Christ. In other words, the Grace by Faith and Faith Alone will be over for everyone left on earth.

Can you give us Scripture to prove what you said in that last paragraph about people being saved?

 

[Bladerunner]

Yeah I think your missing the mark...........there is no split rapture.......and I have studied it.........and the bible does not support the imminent return.....

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There is but one Parousia of JESUS and all things must jive with ONE coming....not 2, 3 or 6...........

Been reading this thread and most of the post. You said at one time your thinking was different.

Did you believe in the Rapture? If so, what changed that!

 

[dcontroversal]

Been reading this thread and most of the post. You said at one time your thinking was different.

Did you believe in the Rapture? If so, what changed that!

I never said that I did not believe in the Parousia of Jesus and our gathering together unto him (RAPTURE so called) the only thing that has changed is my view of when it takes place....was raised in an imminent return church, dogmatically stood on it, believed it and taught it.....after much study I have concluded that this view does not jive with the bible.....there are too many contradictions, denial of words, rejection of context, embellished context, different events made into the same event etc. I have concluded a post tribulation/pre wrath ingathering at the 7th trump....my answers are found in a 26 chapter, 212 page book on my blog here in CC as to why I changed my mind...I wrote the book in 2007 and need to add about 10 more chapters.......

 

[iamsoandso]

I never said that I did not believe in the Parousia of Jesus and our gathering together unto him (RAPTURE so called) the only thing that has changed is my view of when it takes place....was raised in an imminent return church, dogmatically stood on it, believed it and taught it.....after much study I have concluded that this view does not jive with the bible.....there are too many contradictions, denial of words, rejection of context, embellished context, different events made into the same event etc. I have concluded a post tribulation/pre wrath ingathering at the 7th trump....my answers are found in a 26 chapter, 212 page book on my blog here in CC as to why I changed my mind...I wrote the book in 2007 and need to add about 10 more chapters.......

lol,remember when Allen Best came out with the "America the Babylon" stuff and it kind of fell to the way side? ,,,,some things just never go away do they?...

 

[Iconoclast]

That time has already past....that language was already used by God in historical judgments and it was not a barcode, or a microchip....
[h=1]Ezekiel 9King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]9 He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord God! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The Lord hath forsaken the earth, and the Lord seeth not.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me.

here angels"marked the believers" and the judgment did not come upon them....it was visible to the angelic beings....[/FONT]

 

[dcontroversal]

lol,remember when Allen Best came out with the "America the Babylon" stuff and it kind of fell to the way side? ,,,,some things just never go away do they?...

No....but in all fairness....there is a nation called the HINDERMOST of the NATIONS A.K.A. the LADY of the Kingdoms which has the national symbols of a Lady, Eagle and woman....she had 80 characteristics and is found in about 7 to 9 books of the bible in about 12 to 13 chapters and a 10.5 billion to 1 which nation it is when the math is done..........

 

[Locutus]

The mark is long gone - the revelation of John is the final judgment of the whore of Babylon and her city 1st century AD Jerusalem.

The judgment was at the hands of the Roman Armies.

Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee.....

 

[iamsoandso]

The mark is long gone - the revelation of John is the final judgment of the whore of Babylon and her city 1st century AD Jerusalem.

The judgment was at the hands of the Roman Armies.

Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee.....

So seeing you believe this in you opinion who is it that received this mark and how?...

 

[Jackson123]

Ah, the Holy Spirit. Yes, he is present around the world even after the Rapture. However, He is the restrainer and once the Church is Caught-up, the restraints that He has placed on earth dwellers are thrown away. Then you see just how evil man can get


There is one view; The Holy Spirit is within everyone in the Church (Body of Christ). This was not before and will not be after the Church is Caught-up in the air. In the Gap and the following Daniel's 70th week, in order for people to be saved they will have to prove it by dying while professing Jesus Christ. In other words, the Grace by Faith and Faith Alone will be over for everyone left on earth.

Yep I agree the restrained is Holy Spirit. And after tertrainer not restraints anymore, tha antichrist reveal, than persecution, but according to 2 Thessalonians 2, rapture happen after the antichrist in power.

 

[iamsoandso]

So seeing you believe this in you opinion who is it that received this mark and how?...

Come on,Locutus were tired of petting the warm fuzzy little teddy bear,,,

 

[Bladerunner]

Can you give us Scripture to prove what you said in that last paragraph about people being saved?

Ellsworth1943... have no spoken with you before. Hello

Here are the verses in Revelation that show the Martyred Saints... Rev 6:9, Rev 13:7, Rev 19:2, Rev 20:4-5,

Nowhere in the Bible does it speak of a resurrection of Millennial saints.
The resurrection of the tribulation saints completes the "first resurrection" (Rev 20:4-6).

keep in mind that the Rev 14:3 144,000 were redeemed alive because of being sealed.

Now just in case we are talking about the Holy Spirit (restrainer). No where except from the time period of Jesus (Pentecost)is the Holy Spirit said to inhabit a true believer. There also is no mention of the Holy Spirit within the saints that have died for Jesus during the Gap period before and during Daniel's 70th week.

 

[dcontroversal]

The mark is long gone - the revelation of John is the final judgment of the whore of Babylon and her city 1st century AD Jerusalem.

The judgment was at the hands of the Roman Armies.

Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee.....

When you post stuff like the above black bolded....all you do is state that your not that bright!

 

[Ellsworth1943]

Ellsworth1943... have no spoken with you before. Hello

Here are the verses in Revelation that show the Martyred Saints... Rev 6:9, Rev 13:7, Rev 19:2, Rev 20:4-5,

Nowhere in the Bible does it speak of a resurrection of Millennial saints.
The resurrection of the tribulation saints completes the "first resurrection" (Rev 20:4-6).

keep in mind that the Rev 14:3 144,000 were redeemed alive because of being sealed.

Now just in case we are talking about the Holy Spirit (restrainer). No where except from the time period of Jesus (Pentecost)is the Holy Spirit said to inhabit a true believer. There also is no mention of the Holy Spirit within the saints that have died for Jesus during the Gap period before and during Daniel's 70th week.

You suggested in post 61 that God's plan for salvation changes for the tribulation saints, that he requires proof of faith, I.E. works. You also suggest that tribulation saint will not posses the Holy Spirit. I asked for proof, but the Scriptures you gave in post 72 do not prove your statement.

 

[Alertandawake]

The question is how exactly is the mark of the beast going to be enforced? What is the process that is going to be used to enforce this system?

Let us look at what is happening today around the world. Now I cannot comment on all nations, but from what I am observing and noticing in some places, we have a education system that is brainwashing children at a early age, being taught the concept of tolerance, diversity, being political correct, not to ask questions, gender choosing, and so on. You have a education system that is teaching children how to think and what to say, so those who happen to have the same amount of common sense and logic as a potato will not be offended.

Once people have been taught what to say and how to think, they will end up believing what they are told, without researching for themselves to verify what they have been told.

To me, from my point of view and line of reasoning, I think many people are being conditioned mentally to accept the mark of the beast.

Really need to keep up to date, especially in the field of recombinant DNA (hybrids), nanotechnology, nfc/rfid chip implants (id purposes, electronic finanical transactions). As all these components in my opinion could easily be part of a mandated vaccination program. Yet we see evidence of compulsory vaccinations already happening in some places, with jail or fines for non compliance for the parents.

 

[Bladerunner]

Yep I agree the restrained is Holy Spirit. And after tertrainer not restraints anymore, tha antichrist reveal, than persecution, but according to 2 Thessalonians 2, rapture happen after the antichrist in power.

Where? Show me?

 

[Locutus]

Nooo......

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[Bladerunner]

You suggested in post 61 that God's plan for salvation changes for the tribulation saints, that he requires proof of faith, I.E. works. You also suggest that tribulation saint will not posses the Holy Spirit. I asked for proof, but the Scriptures you gave in post 72 do not prove your statement.

Ellsworth1943; What I am about to say, I do not expect you to believe me but rather I Hope it brings you to a point where you Like the Bereans in Acts 17:11, confirm or denying what I say by researching it yoiurself. I pray this brings you to that point.


Those who die after the Rapture of the Church will not possess the Holy Spirit. It indwells with the "Body of Christ" His church. During the OT times, the following of the Law was required. The story of the Rich man and Lazarrus tells us that during this time when a person died, he would be sent to hell (hades) or Paradise(Abram's Bosom) until Jesus resurrected their bodies and took them to heaven when He himself left HELL at the end of the three day period.

The "Church/Body of Christ"( from 32 AD to Present) need only believe in Jesus Christ in order to receive the Holy Spirit whom will reside within them until they died or are Raptured. Once the Church is Raptured, the Bible tells us the Restrainer is removed from the earth. I surmise the Holy Spirit will still be on earth, helping the 144,000 evangelize the population of the earth that have not died yet? It is apparent from several verses in Revelation, those on earth who have decided to accept Jesus Christ as their savior will be Martyred because they deny the world religion led by the false prophet.

In Revelation, it shows us at least three maybe four types of Saints (OT Saints, Church/Bride), Martyred Saints and the Martyred saints who seem to be Brethren of the initial martyred saints.

In Revelation 4.1, it is evident that the Church is in Heaven at the time. The 24 Elders represent the Church. We know this because they tell us who they are in later verses.

At the 1st seal, the antichrist (on the White Horse) is sent to earth to conquer. Notice he has no Arrows, just a bow. (God seems to like puns, See the covenant with Noah,,,same word ---bow).

*The Antichrist is said to make peace with the world after he comes to power. Of course world wars in seals 2-4 have just started and we see in seal 6 the Kings and ELITES are huddled together in caves and underground facilities. What are they Crying???"

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

So here is the start of God's wrath.... NO... It started with Seal #1. This verse simply tells one that the above seals are God's Wrath.

Please keep in mind that God is Sovereign and any wars or other calamities are a result of His Wrath.

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At the 5th seal, there are many Souls below the altar. God tells us they were slain for the Word of God and their Testimony which they HELD!

In verse 10, they were asking How Long would it be before they were avenged. Now this is peculiar, WHY???? They did not know How Long It would be........Are these Martyred saints from a gap period prior to Daniel's 70th week. Very Possible

Look to what Jesus answers them: "11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

First, they are saints because they are given White Robes although it is not known if they have their new bodies (of light) yet. It does not appear to be so, because the 1st resurrection ended with the Rapture of the Church. I surmise, they are there in spirit only and will be until the 2nd resurrection and 2nd advent.

Second, Notice they are told their "Fellowservants" (same type) and their Brethren (2nd type) are yet to be killed on earth. So here we see in Revelation, three different types of saints. The elect (Church-Bride), the Martyred Saints and the Martyred Brethren. Could this last group be the Multitudes that is seen in later chapters. Very Possible

Regardless,,,All of them were slain for the WORD of GOD and their testimony Which they Held (i.e. to Hold Fast even through death)

 

[Jackson123]

Where? Show me?

I do not understand your question.

You ask who who is the restrainer or rapture after tribulation?

 

[Bladerunner]

Yep I agree the restrained is Holy Spirit. And after tertrainer not restraints anymore, tha antichrist reveal, than persecution, but according to 2 Thessalonians 2, rapture happen after the antichrist in power.

This is why I said "Show me"