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Perhaps Prince is teaching this, perhaps not. What is clear from his statements above is that he is trying to plant the idea that because we are saved by grace we are not required to be obedient and serve God after we have been saved. As I said above, that question should never have even been raised, and if raised, he should have immediately followed up with "God requires every born-again believer to obey Him and serve Him".
If you have been following DRose, you would not have asked such a question. And it is not up to you ask these questions. If you are disputing what she has posted, dispute the post. What you are unwilling to do is to dispute all the questionable teachings that Joseph Prince puts forth. I would like to see that.
If you have been following DRose, you would not have asked such a question. And it is not up to you ask these questions. If you are disputing what she has posted, dispute the post. What you are unwilling to do is to dispute all the questionable teachings that Joseph Prince puts forth. I would like to see that.
I think it leaves me at an unfair disadvantage when those who repost only part of what I say and comment on it when the rest of my post explains the complete thought. I also think it is a sad fact I have to even mention this as many of those who disagree with me only post part of what I say and the context is totally lost.
Why do they do that? I wish I knew. But this is one of my original posts giving the complete context.
I realize when posting here that some believers will actually mis quote and mis read posts and apply meanings to things I did not say. Some will purposefully only post parts of my words to get their mis applications across because they don't like the message of the freedom we have in Christ. They don't like other preachers that I like so they will come against them too. I guess that is part of the deal when one comes to CC sometimes.
This all again reminds me that it is an impossibility to answer each and every mis quote and mis understanding. I can't defend JOY in the Truth. But what I will be doing is re posting a lot for some of the hard heads here.
This all again reminds me that it is an impossibility to answer each and every mis quote and mis understanding. I can't defend JOY in the Truth. But what I will be doing is re posting a lot for some of the hard heads here.
I get it Nehemiah., you don't understand grace the same way I or many other believers do and so you accuse us of promoting no obedience to the Lord Jesus whom we love and adore. And unfortunately because you don't understand how I do., you will continue to accuse. How sad is that.
The Bible talks about the Good Shepherd and how He takes care of the sheep and THEY FOLLOW HIM. That is our calling Nehemiah. And when we "follow" we will be in obedience in all areas. We have learned the first thing has to be first. And that first thing is to FOLLOW the Good Shepherd of our souls.
The Good Shepherd does not HERD the sheep from behind.... no.. He goes before and LEADS the sheep. He is followed because the sheep know Him and know and are familiar with His voice., they know that He has all the answers to life and Godliness. Where He is there is JOY and health and peace. Here is Psalm 23 and it's not for the dead., but for the living.
[SUP]1 [/SUP]The Lord is my Shepherd [to feed, guide, and shield me], I shall not lack.
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2 [/SUP]He makes me lie down in [fresh, tender] green pastures; He leads me beside the still and restful waters.
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3 [/SUP]He refreshes and restores my life (my self); He leads me in the paths of righteousness [uprightness and right standing with Him—not for my earning it, but] for His name’s sake.
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4 [/SUP]Yes, though I walk through the [deep, sunless] valley of the shadow of death, I will fear or dread no evil, for You are with me; Your rod [to protect] and Your staff [to guide], they comfort me.
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5 [/SUP]You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies. You anoint my head with [SUP][a][/SUP]oil; my [brimming] cup runs over.
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6 [/SUP]Surely or only goodness, mercy, and unfailing love shall follow me all the days of my life, and through the length of my days the house of the Lord [and His presence] shall be my dwelling place.
I also like the application Bible gateway adds on about the Holy Spirit and He is represented by the oil. The infilling of the Holy Spirit is needed each and every day as we walk in this world. We need to be filled daily by the Holy Spirit. We need the rivers of living water Jesus explained about the Holy Spirit in John 7 Those rivers of living water flow in and through us by the HolySpirit. He gives us power from on high to do the work at hand. That infilling is vital to the success of our walk here on earth. Praise the Lord for providing all we need pertaining to life and Godliness!!
- Psalm 23:5 It is difficult for those living in a temperate climate to appreciate, but it was customary in hot climates to anoint the body with oil to protect it from excessive perspiration. When mixed with perfume, the oil imparted a delightfully refreshing and invigorating sensation. Athletes anointed their bodies as a matter of course before running a race. As the body, therefore, anointed with oil was refreshed, invigorated, and better fitted for action, so the Lord would anoint His “sheep” with the Holy Spirit, Whom oil symbolizes, to fit them to engage more freely in His service and run in the way He directs—in heavenly fellowship with Him.
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This is one of most insulting and condescending posts on this thread. No one has misquoted you or your preacher idol Joseph Prince. On the other hand your have attempted to paint Christians who expose Prince as something other than genuine Christians who don't understand the meaning of the New Covenant.
Your phony defense of "joy' means nothing if you are prepared to swallow false doctrine hook, line and sinker. So keep posting for the "hard heads" since that indicates a hardening of the heart on you part, and the hardening your spiritual arteries. When people adamantly refuse to see why certain teachings are in fact erroneous, they are blinded to further spiritual truth,. Several Christians have already pointed this out to you, including myself.
Your phony defense of "joy' means nothing if you are prepared to swallow false doctrine hook, line and sinker. So keep posting for the "hard heads" since that indicates a hardening of the heart on you part, and the hardening your spiritual arteries. When people adamantly refuse to see why certain teachings are in fact erroneous, they are blinded to further spiritual truth,. Several Christians have already pointed this out to you, including myself.
This is one of most insulting and condescending posts on this thread. No one has misquoted you or your preacher idol Joseph Prince. On the other hand you have attempted to paint Christians who expose Prince, as something other than genuine Christians, and who don't understand the meaning of the New Covenant, and what Christ has accomplished for us.
Your phony defense of "joy' means nothing if you are prepared to swallow false doctrine hook, line and sinker. So keep posting for the "hard heads" since that indicates a hardening of the heart on you part, and the hardening your spiritual arteries. When people adamantly refuse to see why certain teachings are in fact erroneous, they are blinded to further spiritual truth,. Several Christians have already pointed this out to you, including myself.
Your phony defense of "joy' means nothing if you are prepared to swallow false doctrine hook, line and sinker. So keep posting for the "hard heads" since that indicates a hardening of the heart on you part, and the hardening your spiritual arteries. When people adamantly refuse to see why certain teachings are in fact erroneous, they are blinded to further spiritual truth,. Several Christians have already pointed this out to you, including myself.
I realize when posting here that some believers will actually mis quote and mis read posts and apply meanings to things I did not say. Some will purposefully only post parts of my words to get their mis applications across because they don't like the message of the freedom we have in Christ. They don't like other preachers that I like so they will come against them too. I guess that is part of the deal when one comes to CC sometimes.
This all again reminds me that it is an impossibility to answer each and every mis quote and mis understanding. I can't defend JOY in the Truth. But what I will be doing is re posting a lot for some of the hard heads here.
This all again reminds me that it is an impossibility to answer each and every mis quote and mis understanding. I can't defend JOY in the Truth. But what I will be doing is re posting a lot for some of the hard heads here.
A repost for you Nehemiah.
and I would like to see you understand that the natural man is the only one that will be judged from the law. Laws are to control one by a list of do's and don't. Laws are for the lawless.
The Sons of God are not lawless or disobedient. Our old natural way of living and our nature of sin was put to death by the Cross. We died with Him. Raised however in His likeness. That is the Spirit of Christ that every man or woman receives within our Spirit, when we are born from above.
Now we are the Sons of God. What Adam had before the fall, but even greater since the tree that he ate from has been axed by the Holy Spirit in our heart. The tree of life who is Jesus is what we eat of now. His entire resurrected life we now partake of.
When you know that you know you walk in the Victorious Jesus now, what law does one need? We live to please our Father by our faith in what He tells us. And our hearts desire Him only in the fullness of His Spirit. When we walk with Him day by day, year by year, this life that we first thought was so wonderful fades from our desire, and sinful pleasures are now abhorrent. Actually they are that when we are born again, but we are tempted to act outside of the Character of God by the evil one.
Some come to this understanding faster than others. God has great patience for us for Jesus has caused us to be accepted fully in Him, the beloved of God.
That is what we are, and what we have.
Religion is so evil for it does nothing for the heart of man. Just reveals the sin and then condemns for having it.
The Sons of God are not lawless or disobedient. Our old natural way of living and our nature of sin was put to death by the Cross. We died with Him. Raised however in His likeness. That is the Spirit of Christ that every man or woman receives within our Spirit, when we are born from above.
Now we are the Sons of God. What Adam had before the fall, but even greater since the tree that he ate from has been axed by the Holy Spirit in our heart. The tree of life who is Jesus is what we eat of now. His entire resurrected life we now partake of.
When you know that you know you walk in the Victorious Jesus now, what law does one need? We live to please our Father by our faith in what He tells us. And our hearts desire Him only in the fullness of His Spirit. When we walk with Him day by day, year by year, this life that we first thought was so wonderful fades from our desire, and sinful pleasures are now abhorrent. Actually they are that when we are born again, but we are tempted to act outside of the Character of God by the evil one.
Some come to this understanding faster than others. God has great patience for us for Jesus has caused us to be accepted fully in Him, the beloved of God.
That is what we are, and what we have.
Religion is so evil for it does nothing for the heart of man. Just reveals the sin and then condemns for having it.
Yes., I have., and that is when I began to have a deep confidence in how much God loved me IN Christ. The Holy Spirit did for me what I needed and couldnt do for myself. He gave power from on high. I couldn't muster up that kind of faith and power and those rivers of living water., I couldn't be joyful in my own obedience.,
I began learning (and am still learning) about walking in the obedience of Christ. That is when I began to follow closely and obey from the heart. I learned it's about our new manner of living. It's learning how to discard our old manner of living., trying to obey by the flesh didn't work so I began to learn about the obedience of faith and walking in newness of life in the spirit., in that new manner of living in and by the Holy Spirit.
John 7:38-39 became true for me years after I first believed on Jesus and was sealed by the Holy Spirit. I didn't get baptized in the Holy Spirit until years later.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]He who believes in Me [who cleaves to and trusts in and relies on Me] as the Scripture has said, From his innermost being shall flow [continuously] springs and rivers of living water.
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39 [/SUP]But He was speaking here of the Spirit, Whom those who believed (trusted, had faith) in Him were afterward to receive. For the [Holy] Spirit had not yet been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified (raised to honor).
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My heart on the matter of this thread.... I'm well aware of the elder brother's attitude as I was him for many years. It was not until I became a prodigal that I learned the truth about how the Father's love is not conditional on my behavior., but on the finished work of His Son Jesus. After finding out my Father loved me IN Christ., I was able to walk in the newness of life I was given. Before that I tried to walk it in my flesh and failed.
Trying to walk in the Spirit by the flesh is impossible. The HolySpirit teaches us how to walk in and by our new man., the new heart we were given. That is how we have control over out flesh., we do it IN THE SPIRIT AND BY THE SPIRIT.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will imprint My laws upon their minds, even upon their innermost thoughts and understanding, and engrave them upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
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11 [/SUP]And it will nevermore be necessary for each one to teach his neighbor and his fellow citizen or each one his brother, saying, Know (perceive, have knowledge of, and get acquainted by experience with) the Lord, for all will know Me, from the smallest to the greatest of them.
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12 [/SUP]For I will be merciful and gracious toward their sins and I will remember their deeds of unrighteousness no more.
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13 [/SUP]When God speaks of a new [covenant or agreement], He makes the first one obsolete (out of use). And what is obsolete (out of use and annulled because of age) is ripe for disappearance and to be dispensed with altogether.