Speaking in tongues?!

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Do you believe in speaking in tongues

  • Yes the Bible clearly states it

    Votes: 38 77.6%
  • No it was only before translators

    Votes: 6 12.2%
  • I'm not sure

    Votes: 4 8.2%
  • It's not important

    Votes: 1 2.0%

  • Total voters
    49

KelbyofGod

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give me an example of how the angel language improves someone.
Besides the direct statement that "he that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself" I'm not sure what you'd need, or what you're really wanting.

If you're actually wanting to know what you have to look forward to if you gain and use 'speaking in tongues', then listen to the people who testify what it brings... healing, peace, miracles, God speaking to them, ability to be used in other gifts or situations to help others, etc, etc.

If you're wanting me to "prove it", that's just not something possible for one person to do to another. God himself says:

Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

and again:

1Co 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:

For some people, tongues will just be something they see but don't benefit from, because of their unbelief.
 
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Besides the direct statement that "he that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself" I'm not sure what you'd need, or what you're really wanting.

If you're actually wanting to know what you have to look forward to if you gain and use 'speaking in tongues', then listen to the people who testify what it brings... healing, peace, miracles, God speaking to them, ability to be used in other gifts or situations to help others, etc, etc.

If you're wanting me to "prove it", that's just not something possible for one person to do to another. God himself says:

Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

and again:

1Co 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:

For some people, tongues will just be something they see but don't benefit from, because of their unbelief.
Isa 28 is not about angel language its about hypocrites mocking the Lords people

3934. laeg
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance - buffoon, mocker, stammerer

its not a prove it thing, just an explanation of how it improves someone. every explanation i have heard is an improvement any believer can gain through prayer in their own language. i have yet to hear how the angel language is any different than praying in your own language,
 

KelbyofGod

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with respect does Jesus not cover this when teaching on prayer:

Matthew 6:8
Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

Here's what I will say about that, then I think I should head towards bed;

After reading all of Jesus' teachings about the Comforter/Holy Ghost throughout the gospels, to me it still doesn't add up to the expectation that 'speaking in tongues' (no matter what you or I think that means) would be what happens when the Holy Ghost is given/received. Yet 'speaking in tongues" is what the bible records as happening in the play-by-plays of people receiving the Holy Ghost.

Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Like i said, even though that's not what I would have expected based on MY understanding of Jesus' teachings, yet that's how the bible records it happening.
 

joaniemarie

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The endless banter on this subject is rather telling about those who support the continuation of the 1st century age of the miraculous. The existence of the miraculous has no need of a scriptural defense, either supernatural events are happening as in the 1st century or they are not.

Defending a physical event with non-physical evidence is absurd. Believing manna is still falling from heaven and being confused as to why people doubt your word is just as absurd.

So to those who defend such nonsense as the belief that we are currently living and experiencing a time as the 1st century age of the miraculous, please use your god-given gift of common sense and admit that the emperor of the pentecostal movement is naked. To those wise enough to not wear the blinders this movement requires, keep count of your pearls.


It took years for the finished Bible to come into the hands of the every day man. Before that there were preachers and teachers like the Apostles and those who they taught who also taught others the truth of Jesus come to save and the many truths in the Bible and the many gifts and promises that are ours IN Christ.

They sought to bring the good news the Gospel to everyone they could., to the whole world. For reasons only God knows., He uses us believers to tell about Jesus., and the Bible., to pray for His will to happen because many times if we don't pray He can't answer if we don't ask.

Great colleges were set up for men of God to learn about the Bible so that they could go out into the world and preach and teach about Jesus. Now those schools have long since been deformed by the world but the point is., it's our job as believers to use the gifts God has given and some have the gift of preaching and teaching so more can be added to the fold and more can learn how to walk in newness of life We are not islands unto ourselves.

That is another reason the Bible says blessed are the feet of them who bring the news.... how shall they hear without a preacher?

Isaiah 52:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP]How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace, that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation, that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!


[SUP]Romans 10_14-15
14 [/SUP]How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? [SUP]15 [/SUP]and how shall they preach, except they be sent? even as it is written, [SUP][a][/SUP]How beautiful are the feet of them that bring [SUP][b][/SUP]glad tidings of good things!



Sad to say., many are not preaching the whole Bible and so many Christians are not being taught about the gifts over the last 50yrs. so many who don't understand are denying such things as miracles for today and speaking in tongues too.

Many have not been taught because many have not been sent in previous years. But today the message is getting out and as the Bible says in the last day there will be an out pouring of His Spirit. And the churches today sorely need Him and the outpouring.


So preachers and teachers are back to preaching the truth in it's entirety and we are seeing a movement of the Holy Spirit in these last days before Jesus comes. People are speaking and praying in tongues., people are getting healed and walking in the law of the spirit of life IN Christ Jesus because they have been made free and set free from the law of sin and death. Romans 8:1-4

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, [SUP][a][/SUP]in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of [SUP][b][/SUP]sinful flesh [SUP][c][/SUP]and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

[SUP]4 [/SUP]that the [SUP][d][/SUP]ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.



 
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KelbyofGod

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its not a prove it thing, just an explanation of how it improves someone. every explanation i have heard is an improvement any believer can gain through prayer in their own language. i have yet to hear how the angel language is any different than praying in your own language,
I honestly don't know HOW it improves a person, I just know THAT it improves the person. It's like praying in English x10. if a person prays in tongues 1-2 hours a day it just leads to stuff happening....the stuff you often hear people testify of like healings, miracles, answers and such.

That's one of the reasons the Holy Ghost was of interest to me. As I read in the book of Acts, I hadn't noticed tongues, but I had noticed that it seemed like every mention of the Holy Ghost was followed by something HAPPENING. And I didn't see that in my own church, so I started seeking God about the Holy Ghost.

Very short version of story= someone testified to me about the Holy Ghost, and when I eventually received it I then found out what Acts was talking about and why the people with tongues are so adamant that others need to get this too. (It is a promise that is available to EVERYONE the Lord calls. Acts 2:39)
 

joaniemarie

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Speaking in tongues is not foreign languages only, but we pray in the Spirit, what He knows. True example: when I was married to my ex-husband he was chocking me. I thought I was going to die. Well, it started off he was running bath water, for no reason (I had told him I was going to leave him) I asked him if he was going to drowned me.? He looked up at me said no. Turned the water off, tackled me, kicked me in the ribs (broke 3 ribs right side) than began to choke me. For no reason he stopped,got into bed said if you want to run run now. I did not run because I know he could make it to the door before I could. He passed out, because he was drunk, then I left.

Next day, my best friend told me G-d told me to pray for you but I did not know what to pray so we just prayed in the Spirit for you for hours. I asked her what time. I was the same time, exactly, he was trying to kill me. There is NO DOUBT in my mind that is why I am alive today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have had similar situations, G-d told me to pray for someone did not know what to pray so I prayed in the Spirit asked for the interpretation and shocked. The Holy Spirit knows what is happening in His world, even when we don't, and will use us as an instrument to pray.

Awesome post mc! I was very surprised to find out that God wants us to be participants of His will being done here on earth and in our own lives and in the lives of those we know and love. Praying is one of those major participation's. I had a very weak prayer life.

And so we need to keep learning about what we should be asking to be participating in. And He gives grace in the mean time as we are learning.

I've only been praying in tongues for a short time but I believe as you do. And have seen some amazing things happen in only this short time. The gifts are needed in the church today more than ever and yet over the years the devil has succeeded in having them untaught and unlearned and unfocused on as hocus pocus because the natural man won't receive the things of the Spirit.

I was saved for many years before reading Acts in context and believing in the gifts for today. There is so much we have to learn. How amazing your friends at church were praying for you in tongues since they had no idea what was going on. I'm amazed how this gift of praying in tongues is so misunderstood., denied and misused. But anything of God that is worth having is going to be attacked by the enemy. We have to be thoroughly convinced in our own minds about these Bible truths and be bold enough to step out in faith and receive what He has for us so as you said., we can be instruments for the Holy Spirit to flow through. Amen!


 

joaniemarie

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whats the difference between praying for someone and praying for someone in the angel language? same person in both prayers and you have no idea what they need other they are hurting and need the Lord.

unless someone speaks the angel language they can never be in the spirit? when you pray for the spirit to guide you before reading the bible, thats in the spirit, it has nothing to do with an angel language.

Every Christian can have the gift of praying in tongues. It's a needed gift God has given to the church and it a powerful gift for us to have and use. It's a gift with a purpose and given for believers in this new covenant. The saints before the cross didn't have this gift. God has offered it freely to all of us believers. But if we don't ask for this baptism., He won't force His blessings on us. He wants us to act in faith and ask believing.

We ask by grace through faith and receive by grace through faith. It took a major shift in my life to get me to even consider such a request to God. I never believed in the whole idea of the gifts of the Spirit for the church today. And our church firmly warned us against such teaching.

God hears our prayers when we pray in our regular language of course. I pray in English too. But most often in tongues because most often I dont have answers about life and need Him to intercede for me.

The story that mc told was explaining just that. We don't know sooo much about this life and what is required of us but the Spirit does know and He searches the hearts. He wants to work through us., flow through us and as Jesus explained in John 7 when we start to really trust Jesus for alllll our needs as Christians and know that in ourselves we are no match to counter this world or our own minds thinking., it's then the Holy Spirit begins to work in and through us.
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38 [/SUP]He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, [SUP][a][/SUP]from within him shall flow rivers of living water. [SUP]39 [/SUP]But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believed on him were to receive: [SUP][b][/SUP]for the Spirit was not yet given; because Jesus was not yet glorified.




I understood this better in the Amplified version;


[SUP]38 [/SUP]He who believes in Me [who cleaves to and trusts in and relies on Me] as the Scripture has said, From his innermost being shall flow [continuously] springs and rivers of living water.
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39 [/SUP]But He was speaking here of the Spirit, Whom those who believed (trusted, had faith) in Him were afterward to receive. For the [Holy] Spirit had not yet been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified (raised to honor).


I've discovered as a believer that we learn as we go. We learn how to pray and what to pray for., what to seek after. All this takes time to learn because we have to first get through our own hard heads of seeing by faith and not by sight. Heb.11:1

11 Now faith is the assurance (the confirmation, [SUP][a][/SUP]the title deed) of the things [we] hope for, being the proof of things [we] do not see and the conviction of their reality [faith perceiving as real fact what is not revealed to the senses].






 
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joaniemarie

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I honestly don't know HOW it improves a person, I just know THAT it improves the person. It's like praying in English x10. if a person prays in tongues 1-2 hours a day it just leads to stuff happening....the stuff you often hear people testify of like healings, miracles, answers and such.

That's one of the reasons the Holy Ghost was of interest to me. As I read in the book of Acts, I hadn't noticed tongues, but I had noticed that it seemed like every mention of the Holy Ghost was followed by something HAPPENING. And I didn't see that in my own church, so I started seeking God about the Holy Ghost.

Very short version of story= someone testified to me about the Holy Ghost, and when I eventually received it I then found out what Acts was talking about and why the people with tongues are so adamant that others need to get this too. (It is a promise that is available to EVERYONE the Lord calls. Acts 2:39)



AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
 

notuptome

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yes I do think you are self Absorbed :) at least now you know one thing I have actually said instead of conjecturing or taking what I have said out of Context :)

I do not have to make substantive case for pentecostals or charismatics nor more than I would do for a Baptist. The substance in context to the Gifts of the Holy Spirit as you have been told(and shown) many times is found in the authoritative word of God

Specifically 1 Corinthians chapters 12, 13, and 14. The Holy Spirit is still with us and will never leave us John Gospel chapter 14 and 16 very clear of this . The Holy Spirit is God who is the same yesterday today and forever:) therefore The Holy Spirit is here today and so are all the Gifts of the Holy Spirit for today.

No where in the Bible does it say "the gifts are not for today". No where. Still waiting for you to show me that one you have not.

So those who can't prove that point Biblically has tried to interject paganism, devil worship , and toe tag anyone who says The Holy Spirit has used them in the gifts outlined in 1Corinthian 12, 13 and 14 as not of God.
I disagree it is very clear all the gifts are for today.
can you speak about those who are in error yep sure can, can you speak about those who misuse the gifts ? Yep sure can
does the false teaching, error , immaturity, and ignorance in using the gifts or not believing they are for today make them to no effect or The Word of God untrue ? NO.

that is the difference The Word of God is true and man misuses the Gifting of God everyday. and Yet the gifting of God is used correctly too everyday
I'm not self absorbed. I'm German and Germans are simply superior.:)

Man cannot misuse the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit always produces the fruit of the Holy Spirit. Gal 5:22-26 If the fruit is not in evidence the Holy Spirit is not in attendance.

John 16:8-11 Jesus tells us what the Holy Spirit is going to do.

The Holy Spirit is still here and operating in the affairs of men. The Holy Spirit has never and will never be subject to the control of men.

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Here's what I will say about that, then I think I should head towards bed;

After reading all of Jesus' teachings about the Comforter/Holy Ghost throughout the gospels, to me it still doesn't add up to the expectation that 'speaking in tongues' (no matter what you or I think that means) would be what happens when the Holy Ghost is given/received. Yet 'speaking in tongues" is what the bible records as happening in the play-by-plays of people receiving the Holy Ghost.
Not every "play" was about tongues when receiving the Holy Ghost at their salvation. Remember the Ethiopian eunuch after Philip got done preaching the gospel to him and water baptizing him? He did not speak in tongues; nor did the people in Samaria in Acts 8 spoke in tongues because they all spoke the same language so there was no need to manifest tongues as a sign to strangers in the land among them.

Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
In this incident when the disciples were officially saved at Pentecost in receiving the promise from the Father of the forever indwelling Holy Ghost at their salvation, they were preaching the wonderful works of God in foreign languages to devout Jews visiting Jerusalem from other lands.

Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Peter was called by God to take time out from his previously commanded mission of giving the gospel only to the Jews, to spread the gospel to the Gentiles by way of vision that he had received. In this incident, tongues served as a sign to the believing Jews that the gospel did indeed went to the Gentiles that day; otherwise, they would not have believed it when Jesus's original command was to go to the House of Israel as Peter was under that command directly.

Matthew 10:1[SUP]5 [/SUP]These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:[SUP] 6 [/SUP]But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
In this incident, they were originally not believers in Jesus Christ but disciples of John the Baptist's as that was the only water baptism they were under. So Paul told them about Jesus Christ as being the One John the Baptist was preaching about and then those disciples believed because they got water baptized in Jesus's name and then they had received the Holy Ghost at their salvation as promised from the Father.

Like i said, even though that's not what I would have expected based on MY understanding of Jesus' teachings, yet that's how the bible records it happening.
Again, your understanding has been limited by preferred reference by tongue speakers in the Book of Acts. Read the whole book and you can find way more incidents that not every believer that has received the Holy Spirit, spoke in tongues.

Tongues were to serve as a sign to unbelievers, not to the believers themselves as proof that they had received the Holy Spirit. That would be liken to saying that the born again of the Spirit can be known just by the sign of tongues which is by sight rather than by faith in Jesus Christ.
 

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I'm not self absorbed. I'm German and Germans are simply superior.:)

Man cannot misuse the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit always produces the fruit of the Holy Spirit. Gal 5:22-26 If the fruit is not in evidence the Holy Spirit is not in attendance.

John 16:8-11 Jesus tells us what the Holy Spirit is going to do.

The Holy Spirit is still here and operating in the affairs of men. The Holy Spirit has never and will never be subject to the control of men.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
read your Bible on Grieving and quenching the Holy Spirit and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit all things man can do and has done to the Holy Spirit.
 

notuptome

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read your Bible on Grieving and quenching the Holy Spirit and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit all things man can do and has done to the Holy Spirit.
A saved person cannot blaspheme the Holy Spirit only an unsaved man is able to do that. Are you accusing me of being unsaved?

Grieving and quenching the Holy Spirit assume that one knows and possesses the Holy Spirit and is in the process of sanctification.

Do you argue that the Holy Spirit produces certain evidences as seen in the fruit of the Spirit? If we are to know them by their fruit is that not an admonition to look for the fruit of the Holy Spirit?

John 16:13 tells us that the Holy Spirit leads and guides us into the truth. The Holy Spirit is leading us in paths of righteousness. The leading of the Holy Spirit precludes us from leading Him.

Are we dealing with differences in definable and teachable bible doctrine or are we dealing with something else?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

CS1

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A saved person cannot blaspheme the Holy Spirit only an unsaved man is able to do that. Are you accusing me of being unsaved?

Grieving and quenching the Holy Spirit assume that one knows and possesses the Holy Spirit and is in the process of sanctification.

Do you argue that the Holy Spirit produces certain evidences as seen in the fruit of the Spirit? If we are to know them by their fruit is that not an admonition to look for the fruit of the Holy Spirit?

John 16:13 tells us that the Holy Spirit leads and guides us into the truth. The Holy Spirit is leading us in paths of righteousness. The leading of the Holy Spirit precludes us from leading Him.

Are we dealing with differences in definable and teachable bible doctrine or are we dealing with something else?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
first off Notuptome leave your straw man out of the context please never said you are or are not saved. again Please read post.

yes I do think you are self Absorbed :) at least now you know one thing I have actually said instead of conjecturing or taking what I have said out of Context :)189"



There you go trying to suggest I said something I did not . So let me again give you context ; you have bad issue with that huh?

you said " I'm not self absorbed. I'm German and Germans are simply superior.:)

"Man cannot misuse the Holy Spirit."

Notice how you said the word "MAN" cannot misuse the Holy Sprit ". That statement is not correct Biblically. I said

"read your Bible on Grieving and quenching the Holy Spirit and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit all things "man" can do and has done to the Holy Spirit.

So tell me how you got I'm saying your not saved again ? we cannot properly you and I speak to each other because you interject falsehoods pertaining to what I am saying. Please formulate a Biblical argument and don't assume one is saying your not saved. when you do that it makes you look self -absorbed . Now to show you how fair I can be you do not have to agree with me and I will not ban you :). read 1ocr 12, 13, and 14 again . In context and leave the side bars alone
 
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Is it appropriate for a moderator to take sides in a thread?
Not trying to cause a problem just want to know how safe it is to disagree.:rolleyes:
 

CS1

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Is it appropriate for a moderator to take sides in a thread?
Not trying to cause a problem just want to know how safe it is to disagree.:rolleyes:
you can say anything you want just be respectful and passionate and back it up with Biblical positions . Hey I could be wrong can you show one in here who has said that ? and you do not have to agree with me I say that all the time.

But there are those in her who will not say that nor ever say they are wrong :) in fact some attack the idea of new revelation (out of context too) but think they have all the revelation of Gods word. So disagree never banned anyone for that never will. In Fact I have been attacked insulted by some still here oh well. The only side I'm taking on this topic is 1cor 12, 13, and 14 chapters and the Book of Acts and Old and New Testament.
 
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you can say anything you want just be respectful and passionate and back it up with Biblical positions . Hey I could be wrong can you show one in here who has said that ? and you do not have to agree with me I say that all the time.

But there are those in her who will not say that nor ever say they are wrong :) in fact some attack the idea of new revelation (out of context too) but think they have all the revelation of Gods word. So disagree never banned anyone for that never will. In Fact I have been attacked insulted by some still here oh well. The only side I'm taking on this topic is 1cor 12, 13, and 14 chapters and the Book of Acts and Old and New Testament.
Thanks--------Was not really worried:cool:
 

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Speaking with a forked tongue is easy enough but then who would know unless tested and proven as fact.
One fact published recently, was the opioid plague that is sweeping through American. When I visited, I became aware of
The misuse of prescription medicine. People stealing from family members medicine chests. Pain killers are taking lives daily.
Enough of a problem, it can no longer be overlooked.So, to write your long stories, your chapters, your verse,and concern yourself over
Money for pharma, money for your health, money for your money's insurance insurance, then there is only forks.
An enormous void from the reality, Faith Is.

For no matter you speak in tongues of both men or Angels, without Love, you are but an empty vessel.
So denounce medicine and the medicine men that use God's Temple as Jesus defines our bodies, as test tubes.
Denounce, greed, gluttony, smoking and drinking of alcohol and live in your natural state for 40 days.
That's one month and 10 days. Eat modestly, and hydrate your body only.
See how many will accept you? Count them as you see them leave you.

Forked tongues = hypocrisy = betrayal of Self, God's Temple, The Self. The physical body. The host of the I and the me.
See your Faith, like a diet, you can measure your result. He of little faith, does not get up in the morning at sunup.
They believe another 5 minutes in bed is all it takes to feel better, to cope once more, to still the thoughts.
In those 5 minutes, of delay to a planned wakeup your smooth day is ruined. Your stress raised as all goes skew. Lost keys, traffic jams,
inconsirate drivers, late to work... All for 5 min more rest.

See you prayed for a great day and didn't follow the plan. And at the end of the day again question God. Why Me?

Forked tongues.

Why. Cause you can't keep your own words to your own self and God within His Temple.
The green light day ahead ruined by not acting as planned.

So what has this to do with this discussion.
Unfortunately, so so so many so called Christians have no faith, only lip service.

Anyone that indulge in anything other than self respect ( respect of God's Temple)
and laces words here, knowing their actions Including opioids (Pain Killers) are empty
Vessels. Not to the readers here. We don't know. We only see words. You however, know.

People that a touched and Healed, do not return to illness. I've met a man greater than myself. 28 years without any medical assistance.
From the age of 50, so + 28 =78. Personally I've done 5 years medicine free.
5 yrs by God's Grace alone. On medicine I was 145kg I'm now just less than 95kg Without a diet plan.
I've met the elders of this society. Those that endured the second world war as kids.
96 yrs old. Both men and woman and asked them how? And they told me. And I've lived these words too.

This is what one lady said her father use to say: Your either your own physician, or a fool.

So from the wisdom of the late 1800's you have a choice. As above: own physician OR fool. You choose.

Cry to the Dr and be a test tube. Or cry to God and Be Healed. Your choice. 77x77 Times you may falter. 7 times you may fail. But these are only the test.
Until you choose Life over Death, you have not yet started healing.
Choose Life. The media says this, the songs sing this. The Christians prefer to quibble. The one promise Jesus made: a time without pain. Jesus showed this endurance of pain during his crucifixion. He proved his Faith, so we might follow his example.

Pain free, like in Psalm 23King James Version (KJV)

23 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.

2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.

Well? These are not empty words. This is total Trust. Selfless Trust. Try it. I have. Every Word for sure.

Jesus said more. He said: I have ways, you know not of. Do you believe the church would ever teach you this Incredible Truth.
He said: don't follow the crowd. Use the narrowest gate. That's the one only one person can use at one time, turnstile type. Individually.
He said: What you do in the upper room, in secret will be rewarded you.
He said: Do this and then place it on a high place so all may see your light. Your Healing. He was speaking to the lepers. To the poor in spirit. The widows. The orphans.

Then Rev 17 was written. Verse one. Still unchanged. That's why the secret things are mere secrets very few know.
Only the little one's know as written in Luke's gospel. The least. The litter children unquestionably Accept.

Do You?
 
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Enow

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Speaking with a forked tongue is easy enough but then who would know unless tested and proven as fact.
Read the OP at this link:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/159741-non-christian-religions-speaks-tongues-4.html

...and this post #65 reposted below from that thread;

"If that kind of supernatural tongue was in the world before Pentecost came with God's gift of tongues of foreign languages to speak unto the people, then that line of discernment is drawn that God's gift of tongues can never be for private use.

For God to change the mode in how He had used His gift of tongues on Pentecost to sound like the way the world does in their supernatural tongue for how christians apply tongues today, would make God look like the author of confusion which He is not. This is just a failure by believers that are tongue speakers today for NOT believing every spirit in testing them to recognize the spirit of error in the world for how the world speaks in supernatural tongue for what God plainly stated is His gift of tongues as prophesied as of the law from God & kept by God to do.

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]20 [/SUP]Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.[SUP] 21[/SUP]In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Tongue speakers that continue to ignore how Paul was giving the bottom line on what God said what His gift of tongues are for, are wresting Paul's words out of context in favor of using those singular verses of 1 Corinthians 14th chapter as proof text that tongues can be used privately when Paul was proving why prophesy is better than tongues because tongues is not a stand alone gift to be using privately at all when it is unfruitful even to the tongue speaker unless interpreted by another.

2 Peter 3:[SUP]15 [/SUP]And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;[SUP] 16 [/SUP]As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.[SUP] 17 [/SUP]Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

So look at the results of what you guys are doing when you take those singular verses out of context; you are leading those who do not speak in tongues to move away from their stedfastness of being complete in Christ in seeking to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation by a sign of tongues when tongues are not supposed to serve as a sign to believers.

This is the falling away from the faith prophesied in 1 Timothy 4:1-2, when tongue speakers believe every spirit coming over them as being of God as they do not stop there with the "second blessing", but another and another and another. By giving an inch, the wayward take a mile. "
 

notuptome

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first off Notuptome leave your straw man out of the context please never said you are or are not saved. again Please read post.

yes I do think you are self Absorbed :) at least now you know one thing I have actually said instead of conjecturing or taking what I have said out of Context :)189"



There you go trying to suggest I said something I did not . So let me again give you context ; you have bad issue with that huh?

you said " I'm not self absorbed. I'm German and Germans are simply superior.:)

"Man cannot misuse the Holy Spirit."

Notice how you said the word "MAN" cannot misuse the Holy Sprit ". That statement is not correct Biblically. I said

"read your Bible on Grieving and quenching the Holy Spirit and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit all things "man" can do and has done to the Holy Spirit.

So tell me how you got I'm saying your not saved again ? we cannot properly you and I speak to each other because you interject falsehoods pertaining to what I am saying. Please formulate a Biblical argument and don't assume one is saying your not saved. when you do that it makes you look self -absorbed . Now to show you how fair I can be you do not have to agree with me and I will not ban you :). read 1ocr 12, 13, and 14 again . In context and leave the side bars alone
Well let me break this down for you. When you say a person has or warn a person about blaspheming the Holy Spirit you are saying they are not saved. Only an unsaved person can blaspheme the Holy Spirit because it is a sin that cannot be forgiven. Saved persons have all their sins forgiven so they cannot have blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Once a person is saved the Holy Spirit abides in them and will never leave nor forsake them.

Grieving the Holy Spirit and quenching the Holy Spirit are quite a bit broader subject. It apples to saved people and speaks to the submission of the person to the Holy Spirit and His leading in their life and progression in sanctification in their body.

Blaspheming the Holy Spirit places the Holy Spirit outside of the person while grieving and quenching places the Holy Spirit within the person.

I take everything you write seriously and purpose to provide truthful and meaningful replies.

I find it disturbing when posters approach the word of God, the Christ of God and the ministry of the Holy Spirit in a cavalier manner. We need more reverence for the things of God in the people of God. *disclaimer* given as a general observation not a personal criticism.

With respect.

For the cause of Christ
Roger