The end of the world is coming. What should we be looking for?

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Heavens depart as a scroll?

Then what?

It doesn't say that the heavens come back, so they must be gone from there on, yes?
 

Iconoclast

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If stars literally fall from the sky...do you think the earth would still be here?
look here in rev6;
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Do you think the heaven will roll up like a scroll? literally??? Stars are going to fall to the earth literally....?
if you believe this descibes the end of the world you are mistaken...it was the end of the Jewish age, or theocracy.
 
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Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

kosmokratór: a ruler of this world​
Original Word: κοσμοκράτωρ, ορος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kosmokratór
Phonetic Spelling: (kos-mok-fat'-ore)
Short Definition: ruler of this world
Definition: ruler of this world, that is, of the world as asserting its independence of God; used of the angelic or demonic powers controlling the sublunary world.

The god of this age, the Prince of the power of the air.

NOTE....this is inspired AFTER JESUS resurrected and ascended...He does not seize control of all earthly kingdoms as LORD until the 7th trump of Revelation...

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
 
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Heavens depart as a scroll?

Then what?

It doesn't say that the heavens come back, so they must be gone from there on, yes?
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

The earth and heaven will be burned with fire,for all sin must be purged with fire,and they have been tainted by sin,the heaven tainted by the fallen angels,and the earth tainted by people who were rebellious.

In the New Jerusalem,the final destination of the saints the old heaven and old earth shall not be remembered,or come to mind,and the angels,and people,there,will not remember anything prior to the New Jerusalem,because it is associated with sin and rebellion,which Jesus said I make all things new.
 
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if you believe this descibes the end of the world you are mistaken...it was the end of the Jewish age, or theocracy.
But it is an impossibility to see this if your presumption insists that it has to mean the end of the world.
 

Iconoclast

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If stars literally fall from the sky...do you think the earth would still be here?
look here in rev6;
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Do you think the heaven will roll up like a scroll? literally??? Stars are going to fall to the earth literally....?
if you believe this descibes the end of the world you are mistaken...it was the end of the Jewish age, or theocracy.

It is easily proven...consider this;.

Here is the same language used when Babylon was destroyed in the OT;
isa13
6 Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.
9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
10For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.
13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

and here when Edom was destroyed;isa34

3 Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

just like rev6...see it?
 

Iconoclast

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But it is an impossibility to see this if your presumption insists that it has to mean the end of the world.
correct..see post 586
I was taught the other view first, but I think it is not as accurate as I was first taught.

the kjv says end of the world, but the word is the end of the age...
[h=1]Matthew 24Young's Literal Translation (YLT)[/h][FONT=&quot]24 And having gone forth, Jesus departed from the temple, and his disciples came near to show him the buildings of the temple,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 and Jesus said to them, `Do ye not see all these? verily I say to you, There may not be left here a stone upon a stone, that shall not be thrown down.'[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 And when he is sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples came near to him by himself, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what [is] the sign of thy presence, and of the full end of the age?'
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[FONT=&quot]29 `And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in the heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth smite the breast, and they shall see the Son of Man coming upon the clouds of the heaven, with power and much glory;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]31 and he shall send his messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his chosen from the four winds, from the ends of the heavens unto the ends thereof.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]32 `And from the fig-tree learn ye the simile: When already its branch may have become tender, and the leaves it may put forth, ye know that summer [is] nigh,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]33 so also ye, when ye may see all these, ye know that it is nigh -- at the doors.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]34Verily I say to you, this generation may not pass away till all these may come to pass.[/FONT]
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sun ,moon, and stars speak of a change of ruler, or government. A change of administration.
 

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2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

The earth and heaven will be burned with fire,for all sin must be purged with fire,and they have been tainted by sin,the heaven tainted by the fallen angels,and the earth tainted by people who were rebellious.

In the New Jerusalem,the final destination of the saints the old heaven and old earth shall not be remembered,or come to mind,and the angels,and people,there,will not remember anything prior to the New Jerusalem,because it is associated with sin and rebellion,which Jesus said I make all things new.
The 6th seal is the dest of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
 

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What is dest? I've looked everywhere for a definition...none found
 
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sun ,moon, and stars speak of a change of ruler, or government. A change of administration.
As is testified to by the very words of the Bible.... WHEN you let Scripture interpret Scripture.
 

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Also, I would like to show you something that I saw...


Rev 5:1 And G2532  I saw G1492  in G1909  the G3588  right hand G1188  of him that sat G2521  on G1909  the G3588  throne G2362  a book G975  written G1125  within G2081  and G2532  on the backside, G3693  sealed G2696  with seven G2033  seals. G4973

book:

[h=1]G975[/h]βιβλίον
biblion
bib-lee'-on
A diminutive of G976; a roll: - bill, book, scroll, writing.
Total KJV occurrences: 32

This is seals on the Bible.


 

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End of the World & Willie


Every day I log in and see the new comments listed.
There's always a thread titled "The End Of The World Is Coming",
and next to this title...
a picture of Willie.

It's the same every day.
I log in and see "The End Of The World Is Coming",
with a picture of Willie.

Day after day, it's always the same,
"End Of The World" and picture of Willie,
"End Of The World" and picture of Willie,
"End Of The World" and picture of Willie...
over and over and over.


Sometimes I lie down at night and wonder...
I wonder if it's a sign.
 

stonesoffire

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End of the World & Willie


Every day I log in and see the new comments listed.
There's always a thread titled "The End Of The World Is Coming",
and next to this title...
a picture of Willie.

It's the same every day.
I log in and see "The End Of The World Is Coming",
with a picture of Willie.

Day after day, it's always the same,
"End Of The World" and picture of Willie,
"End Of The World" and picture of Willie,
"End Of The World" and picture of Willie...
over and over and over.


Sometimes I lie down at night and wonder...
I wonder if it's a sign.
Probably so, and when heeded it might go away?
 
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End of the World & Willie


Every day I log in and see the new comments listed.
There's always a thread titled "The End Of The World Is Coming",
and next to this title...
a picture of Willie.

It's the same every day.
I log in and see "The End Of The World Is Coming",
with a picture of Willie.

Day after day, it's always the same,
"End Of The World" and picture of Willie,
"End Of The World" and picture of Willie,
"End Of The World" and picture of Willie...
over and over and over.


Sometimes I lie down at night and wonder...
I wonder if it's a sign.
Keep tuning in. I was told to resist that stuff, so I hopefully always will.
 

stonesoffire

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As is testified to by the very words of the Bible.... WHEN you let Scripture interpret Scripture.
He cracked the code(seal) so to speak. This is getting exciting. Love revelation of rRevelations.
 

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Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

kosmokratór: a ruler of this world​
Original Word: κοσμοκράτωρ, ορος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kosmokratór
Phonetic Spelling: (kos-mok-fat'-ore)
Short Definition: ruler of this world
Definition: ruler of this world, that is, of the world as asserting its independence of God; used of the angelic or demonic powers controlling the sublunary world.

The god of this age, the Prince of the power of the air.
Yes

NOTE....this is inspired AFTER JESUS resurrected and ascended...He does not seize control of all earthly kingdoms as LORD until the 7th trump of Revelation...

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
I'm going to agree with you on this. But please examine what you believe a little closer.

When Jesus comes for the kingdom at the 7th trumpet, that's it, the end, fire from heaven.

He will appear a second time without sin unto salvation Heb 9:28.

That's where the story of the little scroll ends.

After that begins the description of the Roman beasts, (I know, Rome again, sigh)

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This is a parallel passage to Dan. 2, where the stone strikes the image. That would be the place where Jesus takes possession of the kingdom. After the stone strikes, the chaff and wheat harvest. Rev 20:11-15.

Then the new earth.

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There are only 2 resurrections, 1 Cor 15:23-28,23-24. We are waiting for the second one, the one with eternal salvation.

But then comes the end.
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He cracked the code(seal) so to speak. This is getting exciting. Love revelation of rRevelations.
Yes, if we want to know what the symbols in Revelation mean, we need only to turn to the OT.... rather than invent meanings for them. They almost all came directly from the OT.