Speaking in tongues?!

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Do you believe in speaking in tongues

  • Yes the Bible clearly states it

    Votes: 38 77.6%
  • No it was only before translators

    Votes: 6 12.2%
  • I'm not sure

    Votes: 4 8.2%
  • It's not important

    Votes: 1 2.0%

  • Total voters
    49
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machew

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It is clear in 1 Corinthians 14:1-19 that Paul expects us to be walking in the spiritual gifts given to us by the Holy Spirit. He even tells us to earnestly desire spiritual gifts and that these gifts are for the edification of ourselves and others. It doesn't seem to me like the often misunderstood gift of tongues is shunned by Paul at all.

1 Corinthians 14:39-40(NASB)
39Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues.
40But all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner.
Paul concludes in chapter 14 indicating that we should desire to prophesy over all the other gifts. He also says that speaking in tongues should not be forbidden. When Paul says all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner, people take it out of context saying that tongues shouldn't be done at all, when clearly he has told us not to forbid tongues. Therefore, he must have meant that there is an orderly way of having the gift of tongues in the church.


Blessings,

Machew
 
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redeemed7

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#22
I always find it funny how only people in certain denominations speak in tongues.
 
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Shasta

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#23
Tongues, prophecy and words of knowledge are all parallel. They are similar in that they are indirect ways of understanding God (a mirror) incomplete and not completely clear. These are contrasted with the Time when "The Perfect" will come in which knowledge of God will be direct (face to face) and complete (as He knows us). This is why those gifts become extinct - because they are no longer necessary. This is also the historical view of those early leaders who followed the apostles. I do not speak in tongues but it is there in the scriptures



Paul did say tongues would pass away

and it did
 
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charisenexcelcis

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#24
I always find it funny how only people in certain denominations speak in tongues.
Actually, Charismatics (in non-Pentecostal churches) outnumber Pentecostals. There are Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Brethren, Catholics, Anglicans, etc. who practice glossalia. Together we are the second largest tradition in Christianity, outnumbered only by Catholicism itself.
 
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greatkraw

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#25
that is right

by 100AD tongues ceased
until 1901 they did not occur

then there was the asuza street "revival" with emotionalism which was caricatured as tongues

this was the start of pentecostalism

then in the 1970s the charismatic "renewal" movement came out of Pentecostalism and systematically worked its way through established denominations causing church splits and stealing sheep from the flocks
 
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Mich223

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#26
I think speaking in tongues was done away with. Plus they were coherent languages such as Greek, Roman, Hebrew, etc.
 

zone

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ummmm....this is a sensitive area.

i wonder....first, what really happened at Pentecost?

Acts 2
King James Version
1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
and so on......


verse 3 - The Holy Spirit delivers languages to the Galilaeans, languages they had not naturally aquired
tongues
γλωσσαι noun - nominative plural feminine
glossa gloce-sah': the tongue; by implication, a language (specially, one naturally unacquired) -- tongue.

verse 4 - the disciples speak in the same languages delivered by The Holy Spirit, languages the disciples had not naturally aquired
tongues
γλωσσαις noun - dative plural feminine
glossa gloce-sah': the tongue; by implication, a language (specially, one naturally unacquired) -- tongue.

verse 6 - the crowd hears in their own personal dialects, subsets of their naturally aquired languages
language
διαλεκτω noun - dative singular feminine
dialektos dee-al'-ek-tos: a (mode of) discourse, i.e. dialect -- language, tongue.

verse 8 - the crowd testifies they heard what was spoken in their natural languages
tongue
διαλεκτω noun - dative singular feminine
dialektos dee-al'-ek-tos: a (mode of) discourse, i.e. dialect -- language, tongue.

verses 9-11 - the people in the crowd identify themselves, and their languages
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians...

verse 11 - the crowd testifies they heard the disciples speaking about the wonderful works of God in their own native languages, languages the disciples had not naturally aquired
tongues
γλωσσαις noun - dative plural feminine
glossa gloce-sah': the tongue; by implication, a language (specially, one naturally unacquired) -- tongue.


i take from this that the Holy Spirit performed kind of the reverse of what God had done at the tower of Babel when He confounded those who were building and scattered them, delivering the languages of the world. That Act kept them from working together as one to do the unspeakable....until the appointed time, of course. one-worldism is coming.

Genesis 11
King James Version
1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
 
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Thats the take I get from it also; It is the Event that consumates the end of the flesh;

DO NOT Pre-meditate therefore beforehand what ye shall say!!!

For in THAT Hour, it SHALL be Given YOU,what ye SALL SAY!

For IT is NOT YOU that speaketh; But rather The Holy Spirit THAT SPEAKS THROUGH YOU!!!

The Final Miracle, when WE are ALL Just Mircophones Stands; vessels fit for The Lord's USE!!!

Love to ALL in CHRIST!!!
 
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charisenexcelcis

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#29
that is right

by 100AD tongues ceased
until 1901 they did not occur

then there was the asuza street "revival" with emotionalism which was caricatured as tongues

this was the start of pentecostalism

then in the 1970s the charismatic "renewal" movement came out of Pentecostalism and systematically worked its way through established denominations causing church splits and stealing sheep from the flocks
Actually, glossalia became rare after about 400 BC. There were occasional reports of it. Then in 1901 it began in Missouri, then spread to Azuza street. It primarily spread amoung the urban black churches and the Appalachian Scotch-Irish. Eventually it spread throughout the United States and, because of a great missionary effort, through Africa, the Pacific, and the Caribbean. The charismatic movement started spontaneously in the 50's and 60's and spread rapidly. The continued missionary efforts brought astonishing growth to the Pentecostal churches, while the charismatic movement more than kept pace among both Evangelical and Mainline churches. These denominations practiced the gifts within their traditions. In the 70's and 80's there was great growth among the independent Pentecostal churches, particularly in the US. Now, Pentecostals and Charismatics represent majorities of the Christians in diverse place like Brazil, Indonesia, China, Zambia, and may other countries.
 
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machew

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#30
There is no where in the Bible, when read in context, that says tongues will cease in the current time we live in.
 
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A gift. God praying for them. To edify ones self and others. To bring wisdom to you from God. If it was a pile of money you'd take it.

But a gift God says is for you then why would you want it. You can pray better than God right??
 
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Think about something....the Holy Spirit, just like God have ALWAYS been around, ALWAYS will be around, can't die and all that right? okay with that established, ask yourself this....so long as the Spirit and our God,our Father lives....they do NOT cease...why would the gift(s)? So long as the Spirit is alive, and it always will be, then shall not the gifts be also? Just something to think about :)
 
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redeemed7

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Actually, glossalia became rare after about 400 BC. There were occasional reports of it. Then in 1901 it began in Missouri, then spread to Azuza street.
There is no where in the Bible, when read in context, that says tongues will cease in the current time we live in.
Think about something....the Holy Spirit, just like God has ALWAYS been around, ALWAYS will be around, can't die and all that right? okay with that established, ask yourself this....so long as the Spirit and our God,our Father lives....they do NOT cease...why would the gift(s)? So long as the Spirit is alive, and it always will be, then shall not the gifts be also? Just something to think about :)
-Revelation 1:8

"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

-Malachi 3:6

"I the LORD do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.

-James 1:17

"Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows."

-1 Samuel 15:29

"He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a man, that he should change his mind."

-Hebrews 13:8

"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever."
 
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Indra

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#34
Why can't I vote, yes I believe? I speak in tongues and I don't go to a pentecostal church. That you can't accept it, is your choice. God gives purpose to everything and everyone, the holy and wicked. For me, its purpose is concentrate my mind, my body and my heart in full devotion to God.

Also leaving a church is one, but why didn't you ask the preacher or the members of that church to explain this to you? Test every spirit if they are from God.

GBY
 

zone

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#35
that is right

by 100AD tongues ceased
until 1901 they did not occur

then there was the asuza street "revival" with emotionalism which was caicatured as tongues

this was the start of pentecostalism

then in the 1970s the charismatic "renewal" movement came out of Pentecostalism and systematically worked its way through established denominations causing church splits and stealing sheep from the flocks
"A special mark of the Presence of the Holy Spirit operating on, or through another is an openess to Truth; a desire and even a keen hunger for truth, irrespective of consequences or feelings of pain."

Jesse Penn-Lewis
WAR ON THE SAINTS

GREATKRAW:

i hope to contact you directly on this matter, for the time being
zone.
 
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paul1149

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#36
Hi folks. My first post, so why not weigh in on a non-controversial subject like tongues?

There are two types of tongues that I'm aware of - us speaking to God and God speaking through us. The passage in 1Cor concerning order in the church deals with mostly the latter (though nowadays the first type is used corporately, expressively).

We are to desire and seek the spiritual gifts, until that which is perfect comes. Some think the closing of the NT canon was the perfect, but I think that's way too narrow a view. Even John's Gospel ends by saying that Christ's works are too many to be contained in any number of books. God is still very much about perfecting the saints - Php 1.6 says it explicitly, and really, most of the writings are about this - and He uses the assembly of the saints in a big way to do it. Why would God deprive us of a powerful tool?

Like prophecy, I think tongues can be overstressed, but also like prophecy, they can be underutilized as well. Iin the Eph. 6 passage on the whole armor, we are told to use ALL prayer. Sometimes praying without words (the first type of tongues, above) has a lot of benefit to tapping into and releasing the spirit. Other times I pray using words, and that can be at least as equally prophetic as the tongues. It all depends on how the Spirit is moving. It's not something you can lay a law down on. It's best to be yielded and sensitive.

Tongues probably ran continuously, more or less, throughout history. Before the birth of the Pentecostal movement in Kansas on New Years Day, 1900, there was a massive pentecostal revival in Cane Ridge, KY a century earlier. From the accounts, it sounds a whole lot like what went on in Toronto more recently. Also the Moravians seem to have come pretty close to tongues at times.

Pentecost seems to me to have been a miracle of hearing rather than speaking. I'm not sure I can prove that, though something similar happened to me once during worship at church.

Be blessed,
p.
 
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Wise words, Paul. Thank you. I think people fear tongues, so they rationalize what they want it to mean. I can identify with that completely. To me, tongues is an example of the redeemed Man submitting to God and working together for His purpose, almost like teamwork.
 
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paulnsilas

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#38
What possesses Todd Bentley?

May 27, 2008 in Apostasy/Lukewarm, Charismania | Tags: Apostasy, Christianity, false prophets, False Religion, False Teaching, heresy, Religion, Todd Bentley | by The Pilgrim

After watching this video (especially after the five-minute mark) I am thoroughly convinced that this is nothing other than pure demonic possession and you are witnessing demonic manifestations taking place.
Especially look for the unnatural almost non-human way Todd Bentley’s head twitches, quivers, and shakes uncontrollably. You can also see this same phenomenon occur in this short video.


Todd Bentley's Violent "Ministry" (WOTMR) [1of2]


Todd Bentley's Violent "Ministry" (WOTMR) [2of2]


 
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Kat50LovesJesus

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#39
I am so grateful to have been given the gift of speaking in tongues and as it's been said before or maybe on the other one I read...speaking, hearing or both? Anyway, I desired it with everything in me (not totally understanding as I do now) but because there were different people (pastors) of different "religions" (I don't really like the thought of man-made religion-either-but understanding that we-according to The Bible must not forsake the assembling of ourselves.) This is my thought on that particular subject. Too many people in church are "in the world" and in their flesh more than they are In The Spirit. Just my opinion-We should All Desire The Things of God. Be Like Minded. In One Accord. Walking In The Power of The Living God. Just as Paul-enough that his shadow would...Oh my...Why do just particular "religions" delve into "speaking in tongues"? Uhhh..maybe because uncle so and so didn't believe but his nephew had been given "Gifts" and called to preach the Whole Truth but because uncle so and so didn't believe, the nephew had to go start his own church. Hahaha... Anyway when first "hearing" and then "going after it" I found several different pastors ALL talking about the same thing!!! How could this be I said. They don't know each other. They must live in different cities, I said to myself. Hahaha. But they were ALL talking about being Baptised In The Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues. All I can say is: I wanted it!!! It was supernaturally revealed to me how to receive. He made a Way. And now I understand how wonderful is the Baptism and how wonderful He Is to have. After all aren't we temples of The Holy Spirit? I can't always remember Chapter and Verse-so tell me if I get it wrong. Maybe I'll get better at it. Just have this habit now of speaking the scripture just like it's real life. Can't help it now. Hahaha...Isn't He Good!!! I have been taught that the enemy can not understand the language. That my prayers go "under" the radar, so to speak. This isn't all I've learned though about it. There are definitely different languages. I've been in intercessory prayer then stop and hear myself just talking to God in a different tone and everything. Anyway will continue to learn and study to shew myself approved. All I can say is when later in my life through profound circumstances and after Waiting and Waiting and Then Being Endued With Power From On High-just like The Bible says...Oh my. Every Word of The Bible Is True. Let Him Come Alive In You!!! Whew...Surrender sometimes is the best thing we could ever do.
 
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paulnsilas

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#40
KUNDALINI WARNING - Urgent

-by Andrew Strom
www.revivalschool.com

I just saw the video of Rick Joyner announcing that Todd Bentley is back ministering every night at Morningstar in North Carolina and now they have so-called "revival" manifestations eerily similar to Lakeland. They also announced that they are streaming these big meetings every night on their new TV channel - and they are greatly promoting the whole thing.

Now I am a tongues-speaking Pentecostal myself - but can I ask a simple question here please? What kind of "spirit" was it operating in the Lakeland revival - when the leader and main focal- point of the meetings (Todd Bentley) was having an adulterous affair behind the scenes? Was it truly the "Holy" Spirit that was anointing something so sensual and unholy? And now that Todd divorced his wife and married his mistress - are we supposed to welcome him back and this "anointing" with him? What is going on here? Rick Joyner has been warned very specifically by high- level ministries not to do what he is doing now - bringing Todd Bentley back into the limelight. And yet it seems he does not care. Apparently the "manifestations" are all that matter.

So what exactly are these 'manifestations' if they are seemingly at home in such an unholy environment? Are they from God at all? (I am talking here about the violent "jerking", uncontrollable laughter, bodily contortions, drunkenness, 'portals', strange "angel" encounters, etc.) Why do we not see such an 'anointing' in the Bible? Why aren't Jesus or the apostles promoting these manifestations if they really are true Revival? Why instead do we see these things all the way through the New Age and Hinduism, etc? Do we not realize that many false religions have their own version of "laying on of hands" that results in these very types of manifestations? This 'spirit' is not in the Bible - but it is all the way through Kundalini-type Hinduism! Don't you think this should alarm us?

WHAT is KUNDALINI?

If you search for Kundalini and Shakti on the Internet, you will find that multitudes of people in the New Age and Eastern religions still experience these powerful manifestations. Often this is with the help of a Guru, who touches them on the forehead so that they can experience a "Kundalini Awakening".

As researcher Robert Walker wrote in 1995:

"The meetings which mystic Hindu gurus hold are called 'Darshan'.

At these meetings devotees go forward to receive spiritual experience from a touch by the open palm of the hand, often to the forehead, by the guru in what is known as the Shakti Pat or divine touch.

The raising of the spiritual experience is called raising Kundalini… After a period when the devotee has reached a certain spiritual elevation they begin to shake, jerk, or hop or squirm uncontrollably, sometimes breaking into uncontrolled animal noises or laughter as they reach an ecstatic high. These manifestations are called 'Kriyas'. Devotees sometimes roar like lions and show all kinds of physical signs during this period. Often devotees move on to higher states of spiritual consciousness and become inert physically and appear to slip into an unconsciousness..."

And as the guru Shri Yogãnandji Mahãrãja wrote:

"When Your body begins trembling, hair stands on roots, you laugh or begin to weep without your wishing, your tongue begins to utter deformed sounds, you are filled with fear or see frightening visions… the Kundalini Shakti has become active."

In China there is a popular Kundalini-type movement called 'Qigong'.

When a Chinese Qigong spiritual master spoke in the USA in 1991, the San Francisco Chronicle reported that many in the crowd began to experience "spontaneous movements". The master told his audience, "Those who are sensitive might start having some strong physical sensations - or start laughing or crying. Don't worry.

This is quite normal."

When you see videos of these "kriyas" or other Kundalini-type manifestations, you would often swear that you are watching a modern "Impartation"-type church meeting. (And I say this as someone who believes strongly in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I just don't believe in "alien" anointings infiltrating the Body of Christ!

There is a big difference between Kundalini and the real Holy Spirit).

Since 1993-4, I believe a foreign spirit has been allowed to invade the church - first through Rodney Howard-Browne's ministry - then Toronto, then the Prophetic movement (which I was part of at the time) and on into Lakeland and many other ministries and movements. I urge people now to "test the spirits" just as we are commanded to in Scripture. Do not let just anyone lay hands on you. This is a powerful spirit and it has the backing of a lot of big-name ministries. In fact, these men and women are the very ones responsible for allowing it to spread right through the body of Christ. And one day they will be answerable to God for doing so.

We are specifically warned in the Bible that the Last Days will be a time of "seducing spirits," false prophets, 'lying signs and wonders,' and that we always need to watch for "angels of light" masquerading as the real thing. Why does the modern church not take these warnings seriously? Aren't we living in the very days that the Bible warns about?

Right now I need to do something that I have never done in such a way before. I have never before published a list of ministries or movements to watch out for. But this time I have to. This sickness has gone on long enough. I urge you to cut yourself off from the following ministries and their tainted "anointings" my friends.

Even though some of these people say "good things" at times, it is simply not worth having any involvement with them due to the tainted anointing that they endorse or minister in themselves. Here is the list-

(1) Todd Bentley.

(2) Rodney Howard Browne - the so-called "Holy Ghost Bartender."

(2) Rick Joyner or anyone connected with Morningstar Ministries.

(3) John Arnott & any connected with TACF (The "Toronto Blessing").

(4) Peter Wagner of the 'New Apostolic Reformation' who claims to be head of a worldwide network of 'apostles' - who publicly endorsed Lakeland and will soon preach at Toronto TACF alongside other "false anointing" advocates.

(5) Mike Bickle and IHOP Kansas City (-I lived nearby for over two years - and know how much they are into all this stuff. Mike Bickle promotes it in his book).

(6) Bob Jones - the Kansas City prophet whose ministry is utterly tainted by it all.

(7) Patricia King and anyone else from 'Extreme Prophetic.'

(8 ) John Crowder & anyone connected with "Sloshfest."

(9) Bill Johnson of Bethel Church, Redding - who says some good things but publicly endorsed Lakeland and promotes the "false anointing" very strongly behind the scenes.

(10) Heidi & Rolland Baker of IRIS Ministries - who do good work amongst the poor in Mozambique - but who have also carried and promoted this tainted anointing for years.

(11) Randy Clark, Wes & Stacey Campbell, and other key figures from the "Toronto blessing."

(12) The Elijah List - and almost anyone featured on it