Paul exposes false application of the law

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I asked what the command, though shalt not commit adultry, as given to moses means. If I was a jew sitting at the bottom of the mountain, And moses came down, and read the law he was given by God, one of which do not commit adultry. What would I think that constituted by the words itself.
Why is this even important? what are you after?
 
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Show me what condemns me.. and then show me the Spiritual Law of GOD...
Read those passages, and you will get your answer. I wanted you to allow God to tell you, so you can believe him..

The ministry of death engraved in stones is the written law given to moses

The law which condemned us is that same law. The law written on stone, Where moses made the children of Isreal make a vow they they confirmed (understood) and would obey every letter to the T, and if they did not, they would be under a curse.

The mosaic law condemns you,

The spiritual law is not the mosaic law. They are not the same. And they have different purposes.
 
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Why is this even important? what are you after?

Why can you not just answer the question?

We are talking about WHY the written law can not make us righteous people. Are we not?
 
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Yes it is the second part but Christ said the First is to Love GOD...
And he said the second is love your neighbor as yourself. Your neighbor by defenition being anyone you come in contact with, even your enemy

Then he said in these two commands are ALL the law found..

so if you have these two commands, why do you need the rest? They become useless. Because obeying the 2, you will automatically obey the rest.

What happens when we try to obey the letter. But have not love? (As Israel did)
 

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Read those passages, and you will get your answer. I wanted you to allow God to tell you, so you can believe him..

The ministry of death engraved in stones is the written law given to moses

The law which condemned us is that same law. The law written on stone, Where moses made the children of Isreal make a vow they they confirmed (understood) and would obey every letter to the T, and if they did not, they would be under a curse.

The mosaic law condemns you,

The spiritual law is not the mosaic law. They are not the same. And they have different purposes.

Please show me the law that condemns me and the Spiritual Law? Bring them forth side by side please
 
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Why can you not just answer the question?

We are talking about WHY the written law can not make us righteous people. Are we not?

The law makes nobody righteous, so again what are you after? The Law concerned itself with physical remedies to physical issues. So as a Jew my immediate thought would be, well if I physically have sex with another mans wife I am done for.
 

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And he said the second is love your neighbor as yourself. Your neighbor by defenition being anyone you come in contact with, even your enemy

Then he said in these two commands are ALL the law found..

so if you have these two commands, why do you need the rest? They become useless. Because obeying the 2, you will automatically obey the rest.

What happens when we try to obey the letter. But have not love? (As Israel did)

Listen.. GOD states those that Love Him Keep His Commandments.. so how do you Love GOD without His Commandments?
 
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Listen.. GOD states those that Love Him Keep His Commandments.. so how do you Love GOD without His Commandments?
Thats the point, You can’t Which is what I have said since I came into CC over 3 years ago. But for some reason. Way to many people still do not believe me.

Because if you loved as he loved you, You will keep the commands, YTouy do not need the law to tell you what to do. You will by practice do them.

Not to mention, again, the law is incomplete. It can not tell you all the ways you can sin, It was not given for that purpose.

Why can you not understand what Paul meant?
 
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his commandments are love him, love others and love yourself, thats it.

Yes, if you do this you will not commit adultry, Not only the physical act condemned but eh l;aw./ but the spiritual act not seen in the law (lust and all the others ways in which one can break that command)
 
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The law makes nobody righteous, so again what are you after? The Law concerned itself with physical remedies to physical issues. So as a Jew my immediate thought would be, well if I physically have sex with another mans wife I am done for.

Correct. And that is about all it can do. WHich is why it is useles for a christian, And useless in any way to make us a sanctified people. Because it is inbcomplete.

That was the point I was trying to make.

The religious jews, even people I have seen in some churches obey this part of the letter. And think they are ok, because they have not broken the law.

The fact is. Many of them were not ok, because they still lusted, they still looked at pron (in my day playboy and hustler) and eventually their temptation got the beast of them and they broke the mosaic version. And lives were lost.

All because they tried to follow the letter. And did not understand th spirit.
 
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Please show me the law that condemns me and the Spiritual Law? Bring them forth side by side please

So you still have no idea what the ;law which condemns is that you need us to show you?

Tghe spiritual law is as beast master told you. Love God, Love all people you come in contact with, Hate yourself (love yourself less) always put the needs of others over your open needs.

You know the law which condemns, I do not need to explain further.
 
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Substitute the word laws for the bolded hahah and there ya have it.... ;)

Signs, signs, everywhere signs
Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the signs?
 

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Thats the point, You can’t Which is what I have said since I came into CC over 3 years ago. But for some reason. Way to many people still do not believe me.

Because if you loved as he loved you, You will keep the commands, YTouy do not need the law to tell you what to do. You will by practice do them.

Not to mention, again, the law is incomplete. It can not tell you all the ways you can sin, It was not given for that purpose.

Why can you not understand what Paul meant?

You see.. GOD said He shows mercy to those that Love Him and Keep His Commandments... the Messiah states to Keep even the least Commandment.. and to Love GOD and each other.. He states those that Love Him Obey Him... we learn Love through the Lord.. GOD gave His Son to save us... the Lord suffered so we could be Saved... So yes we Love because we are Loved... the 10 Commandments are Complete when we Love.. but Love is not in the letter.. no it is in the Spirit..

So it is Believing the Lord’s Testament that GOD gives us everlasting life.. Partakers of the New Covenant.. Which is to Keep the Commandments of GOD and Have the Faith of Jesus.

Let us be honest.. most are divided by the Sabbath Commandment.. some say it is not taught in the New Testament and others including myself believe it is.. not because of a Veil of Moses .. but because of the Lord’s Testimony.. some declare Christ is their Sabbath.. I don’t wish to do anything other than Keep and teach even the Least Commandment.. because Faith is not enforced.. it is given.. and can be increased.. the Lord teaches us how to increase our Faith.. and it is not by judging each other’s Love...
 

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Its not that we do the commands in order to love God, but in loving God, we love to do His commands. Or iow, His will.

Thats the difference between must and will.
 

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So you still have no idea what the ;law which condemns is that you need us to show you?

Tghe spiritual law is as beast master told you. Love God, Love all people you come in contact with, Hate yourself (love yourself less) always put the needs of others over your open needs.

You know the law which condemns, I do not need to explain further.


Do I need you to show me? Or did the Lord who Saved me show me already? GOD be praised my Good Shepherd came and found me..

I asked you to show the law that condemned me and the Spiritual Law of GOD? Put them side by side so we can view them.
 

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You see.. GOD said He shows mercy to those that Love Him and Keep His Commandments... the Messiah states to Keep even the least Commandment.. and to Love GOD and each other.. He states those that Love Him Obey Him... we learn Love through the Lord.. GOD gave His Son to save us... the Lord suffered so we could be Saved... So yes we Love because we are Loved... the 10 Commandments are Complete when we Love.. but Love is not in the letter.. no it is in the Spirit..

So it is Believing the Lord’s Testament that GOD gives us everlasting life.. Partakers of the New Covenant.. Which is to Keep the Commandments of GOD and Have the Faith of Jesus.

Let us be honest.. most are divided by the Sabbath Commandment.. some say it is not taught in the New Testament and others including myself believe it is.. not because of a Veil of Moses .. but because of the Lord’s Testimony.. some declare Christ is their Sabbath.. I don’t wish to do anything other than Keep and teach even the Least Commandment.. because Faith is not enforced.. it is given.. and can be increased.. the Lord teaches us how to increase our Faith.. and it is not by judging each other’s Love...
I was with you until you gave your definition of keeping the new covenant.


Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

You rewrote this verse and gave it a different meaning. I know it wasn't on purpose. Is easy to do.

The new covenant is a will of inheritance that Jesus left for His body. It is all of Him given to us.

It made a tremendous difference when I saw this to my understanding.