Paul exposes false application of the law

[Grandpa]

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

1 John (Yaahachanon) 3:22-24
[FONT=&quot]22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.[/FONT]

 

[BillG]

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

Matthew 11:28-30
28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

11:28: The heavy burdens were likely caused by the legal requirements of the teachers of religious law and Pharisees (see 23:4). • rest: Spiritual refreshment in either a present or a future sense (cp. 1:21; Heb 4:8-11).


11:29-30: A yoke, which forms a harness between two animals, is a metaphor for the demands of discipleship.
In contrast to the “yoke” of the religious leaders, Jesus’ yoke is easy and light, not because it is less demanding (see 7:13-14), but because the power of the Messiah (by the Holy Spirit) makes it possible (see Acts 15:10; 1 Jn 5:3).

Jesus was most likely contrasting his yoke to the religious demands of Israel’s spiritual leaders (23:4; Acts 15:10), which included 613 OT commands and their expansion through tradition. Jesus urged those who were suffering from the burdens of the Pharisees’ stipulations to come to him (11:28) in order to find the salvation their hearts desired. It is a call to salvation involving a life of obedience to Jesus’ new teachings. People are invited to enter a relationship with a humble and gentle teacher.



Bible study notes

 

[Studyman]

=BillG;3352456]Hi studyman

I'm not denying that the sacrificial system, to me it only covered the sins and did not justify the people.

It was the Law and even though Jesus had come, many were still trying to use it for the cleansing of sins, justification, forgiveness, they are the same.

This is the situation Paul found himself in. The mainstream preachers of his time would open their Bible and say, See, Moses commanded that we should take a sacrifice to the Levite to have our sins removed, be cleansed, justify us, whatever word you want to use.

Paul had to explain to them that even though it was part of God's Laws, it was a shadow of the sacrifice of the Messiah, and now that the "SEED has come" He is the High Priest and He shed His blood once and for all.

So as prophesied in the Old Testament, a new and better way to cleanse sins, forgive, justify us, was created by God through Jesus.

So in his explanation regarding the Levitical Priesthood "Works and Deeds of the Law" for cleansing, forgiveness, justification of sins, he said the following.

Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

We have been taught since our youth that there is only one Law of God, and for us this is true. The Levitical Priesthood was fulfilled by Jesus years ago. But Paul was still fighting with the Mainstream Preachers of his time about this.

They refused to separate God's Righteous Commandments Abraham obeyed, from the "ADDED" Law of Works for cleansing, justification, forgiveness, whatever.

These liars and hypocrites, as Jesus called them, were still clumping the two laws together. When they said "Law of Moses" this included the "Law of Works" of the Levitical Priesthood Paul is discussing in Romans 3 and Galatians.

They refused to accept the truth that it was and always had been the Blood of Jesus that justified, forgave, removed, cleansed, their sins.

The mainstream preachers of today make the same mistake. They refuse to separate the "Law of Works, from the "Law of Faith". They preach when Paul speaks about "works of the Law", he means the 10 Commandments, and all of God's Righteous Commandments. This lie has deceived "MANY" as Jesus said it would.

The Law of Faith, which can also be known as "works worthy of repentance", is spoken of differently by Paul.

Rom. 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;


13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

This is what Jesus preached.

3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

And this is what Paul preached;

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Abraham believe God enough to follow his Instructions and it was accounted unto him as righteousness. He believed in God enough to follow His Instruction and this action was called "Faith".

He didn't follow man made doctrines and traditions, he didn't create his own righteousness, his own laws or judged and pick one part of God's instruction over another.

We are to have this same "Faith of Abraham" which is taught against by "many" preachers who "come in His name".

I hope this answers your questions.

 

[gb9]

=BillG;3352456]Hi studyman


It was the Law and even though Jesus had come, many were still trying to use it for the cleansing of sins, justification, forgiveness, they are the same.

This is the situation Paul found himself in. The mainstream preachers of his time would open their Bible and say, See, Moses commanded that we should take a sacrifice to the Levite to have our sins removed, be cleansed, justify us, whatever word you want to use.

Paul had to explain to them that even though it was part of God's Laws, it was a shadow of the sacrifice of the Messiah, and now that the "SEED has come" He is the High Priest and He shed His blood once and for all.

So as prophesied in the Old Testament, a new and better way to cleanse sins, forgive, justify us, was created by God through Jesus.

So in his explanation regarding the Levitical Priesthood "Works and Deeds of the Law" for cleansing, forgiveness, justification of sins, he said the following.

Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

We have been taught since our youth that there is only one Law of God, and for us this is true. The Levitical Priesthood was fulfilled by Jesus years ago. But Paul was still fighting with the Mainstream Preachers of his time about this.

They refused to separate God's Righteous Commandments Abraham obeyed, from the "ADDED" Law of Works for cleansing, justification, forgiveness, whatever.

These liars and hypocrites, as Jesus called them, were still clumping the two laws together. When they said "Law of Moses" this included the "Law of Works" of the Levitical Priesthood Paul is discussing in Romans 3 and Galatians.

They refused to accept the truth that it was and always had been the Blood of Jesus that justified, forgave, removed, cleansed, their sins.

The mainstream preachers of today make the same mistake. They refuse to separate the "Law of Works, from the "Law of Faith". They preach when Paul speaks about "works of the Law", he means the 10 Commandments, and all of God's Righteous Commandments. This lie has deceived "MANY" as Jesus said it would.

The Law of Faith, which can also be known as "works worthy of repentance", is spoken of differently by Paul.

Rom. 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;


13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

This is what Jesus preached.

3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

And this is what Paul preached;

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Abraham believe God enough to follow his Instructions and it was accounted unto him as righteousness. He believed in God enough to follow His Instruction and this action was called "Faith".

He didn't follow man made doctrines and traditions, he didn't create his own righteousness, his own laws or judged and pick one part of God's instruction over another.

We are to have this same "Faith of Abraham" which is taught against by "many" preachers who "come in His name".

I hope this answers your questions.

Acts 26 is Paul testifying before king Agrippa . if you read the whole chapter ( you refuse to use context, so I have to correct your wrongdoing ) then, you will see that Paul said that Jesus told him that he was sending him to the gentiles that they might be turned to God through faith in Christ. v. 17, 18.

funny, according to you and other fountains of mis-imformation , the gentiles already knew God through the Law. well. you are proved wrong yet again.

 

[NayborBear]

The Torah (law) was the name given to the first 5 books of the OT. It could even be just that.

After doing a quick search? You are correct, EG! I stand corrected in my ignorance of what I was actually looking for. Not that I found it , but, rather, the actual terms used for that which I was looking for. Which, helps me out a lot. The word/term "Mishnah", as well, as the word/term "Gemara", was actually, what I was inquiring about.

Difference Between Talmud and Torah | Difference Between

 

[Studyman]

Matthew 11:28-30
28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

11:28: The heavy burdens were likely caused by the legal requirements of the teachers of religious law and Pharisees (see 23:4). • rest: Spiritual refreshment in either a present or a future sense (cp. 1:21; Heb 4:8-11).

Here is where I think you are off the tracks Billy. The Pharisees did NOT follow or preach the Laws of God. They had created their own religion, their own doctrines and traditions, and they lived in "Transgression of God's Commandments".

Matt. 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4 For they ( Not God Billy, but the Pharisees) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

This is what Peter is speaking to in Acts 15. It wasn't God's righteousness that burdened mankind, it was their rebellion and disrespect for God and His ways.

This is a huge point of understanding. The preaching that God's Laws burdened mankind is an evil and wicked deception, and can not be supported anywhere from scripture.

Jesus was referring to Jer. 6:16 in this scripture you quested.

Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

Kind of ironic how the scriptures of the OT can mirror what is happening in our lives all these years late.

11:29-30: A yoke, which forms a harness between two animals, is a metaphor for the demands of discipleship.
In contrast to the “yoke” of the religious leaders, Jesus’ yoke is easy and light, not because it is less demanding (see 7:13-14), but because the power of the Messiah (by the Holy Spirit) makes it possible (see Acts 15:10; 1 Jn 5:3).

Jesus was most likely contrasting his yoke to the religious demands of Israel’s spiritual leaders (23:4; Acts 15:10), which included 613 OT commands and their expansion through tradition. Jesus urged those who were suffering from the burdens of the Pharisees’ stipulations to come to him (11:28) in order to find the salvation their hearts desired. It is a call to salvation involving a life of obedience to Jesus’ new teachings. People are invited to enter a relationship with a humble and gentle teacher.

Having the foundation of your knowledge built in part on falsehood causes everything else to be skewed. The Word says, "A little leaven leavens the whole lump"

Since you believe it was God's Commandments that burdened the people and not false doctrines and traditions of man as the Bible teaches, you have a completely different take on scripture than those who recognize this scriptural error.

I hope you will consider these words and look into this yourself.

 

[Hizikyah]

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

1 John (Yaahachanon) 3:22-24
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

what about what His son said? and Acts 15? Hmm, isolation?

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

*Mosheh wrote:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 - [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]שָׁמַע[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey


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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 3:36, “He who believes in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Yah remains on him.”[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]does not obey” is word #544 - apeitheó: to disobey, Original Word: ἀπειθέω, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: apeitheó, Phonetic Spelling: (ap-i-theh'-o), Short Definition: I disobey, rebel, am disloyal, Definition: I disobey, rebel, am disloyal, refuse conformity.[/FONT]

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[Hizikyah]

Matthew 11:28-30
28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

11:28: The heavy burdens were likely caused by the legal requirements of the teachers of religious law and Pharisees (see 23:4). • rest: Spiritual refreshment in either a present or a future sense (cp. 1:21; Heb 4:8-11).


11:29-30: A yoke, which forms a harness between two animals, is a metaphor for the demands of discipleship.
In contrast to the “yoke” of the religious leaders, Jesus’ yoke is easy and light, not because it is less demanding (see 7:13-14), but because the power of the Messiah (by the Holy Spirit) makes it possible (see Acts 15:10; 1 Jn 5:3).

Jesus was most likely contrasting his yoke to the religious demands of Israel’s spiritual leaders (23:4; Acts 15:10), which included 613 OT commands and their expansion through tradition. Jesus urged those who were suffering from the burdens of the Pharisees’ stipulations to come to him (11:28) in order to find the salvation their hearts desired. It is a call to salvation involving a life of obedience to Jesus’ new teachings. People are invited to enter a relationship with a humble and gentle teacher.



Bible study notes

the yoke was 1,000s of made made laws in the Talmud...

As Yahshua/Jesus said to keep His Fathers Commands:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 19:16-17, "And see, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good shall I do to have everlasting life? And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One – YHWH. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the commands.”[/FONT]



and the real rest He is talking aobut is this: "[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]rest with us when the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is revealed from heaven[/FONT][/FONT]"

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], for which you also suffer, since [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflicted rest with us when the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Peter 3:8, “But, beloved ones, let not this one matter be hidden from you: that with [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hosheyah 6:1-3, “Come, and let us turn back to [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. For He has torn but He does heal us, He has stricken but He binds us up[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. After two days He shall revive us, on the third day He shall raise us up, so that we live before Him. So let us know, let us pursue to know [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. His going forth is as certain as the morning. And He comes to us like the rain, like the latter rain watering the earth.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Rev 20:4-6, "And I saw thrones – and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them – and the lives of those who had been beheaded because of the witness they bore to [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and because of the Word of Ylohim, and who did not worship the beast, nor his image, and did not receive his mark upon their foreheads or upon their hands. And they lived and reigned with Messiah for a thousand years and the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended) – this is the first resurrection. Blessed and set-apart is the one having part in the first resurrection. The second death possesses no authority over these, but they shall be priests of YHWH and of Messiah, and shall reign with Him a thousand years."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]For Messiah said:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matt 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The real rest is this:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"[/FONT]

 

[Studyman]

Acts 26 is Paul testifying before king Agrippa . if you read the whole chapter ( you refuse to use context, so I have to correct your wrongdoing ) then, you will see that Paul said that Jesus told him that he was sending him to the gentiles that they might be turned to God through faith in Christ. v. 17, 18.

funny, according to you and other fountains of mis-imformation , the gentiles already knew God through the Law. well. you are proved wrong yet again.

Thank goodness you disagree with the scriptures I posted. It is one assurance I have that I am on the right path.

Thank you for your thorough and thoughtful reply to my post. I'll leave you with the Words of my Savior.

"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."

 

[Hizikyah]

Evening Hizikyah,

I hope all is well with you.

You may have said it before, so if I missed it please accept my apologies.

What to you are the commands we guard?

No worries

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."


“all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete

All.

now there are only Laws for kinghs, ppriests, men, women, children, parents, etc. All those that apply. It is not picking and choosing because a man can not keep a Law about the High Priest when he is not the High Priest.

Now that is not to say we need "sinless perfectionisim" as many use to criticize...

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 4:15, "Because the law works wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 1:8-10, “If we say that we have no sin, we are misleading ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is trustworthy and righteous to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us.”[/FONT]

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”



Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law*!"



Romans 6:16, "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?"


Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

 

[gb9]

Thank goodness you disagree with the scriptures I posted. It is one assurance I have that I am on the right path.

Thank you for your thorough and thoughtful reply to my post. I'll leave you with the Words of my Savior.

"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."

I do not disagree with any Scripture , I disagree with isolating verses, and building theology around them. this is mis-use of God's word.


tell me, what is wrong with reading Acts 16, or the Book of Acts, and then making conclutions . why the need to try so strongly to isolate Scripture, why is wrong to conjoin and use context?

 

[Studyman]

=eternally-gratefull;3352497]works worthy of repentance, or meet or whatever you want to call it is just a way of saying to show works of which people who have truly repented would do.

John the Baptist did the same thing when he demanded that the religious jews show works worthy of repentance before he would baptise them. IE./ show you have truly repented. Because true repentance leads to true faith leads to true works. Of which ALL of Gods children do.

Man's works of righteousness are a filthy rag. We would need to repent from man's righteousness and turn to God and His Righteousness, Yes?

Isn't that why Jesus said:

Matt. 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Jesus said to seek these things FIRST. So what do we do when we find God's Righteousness EG? Do we reject it and create our own?

Good post EG.

 

[BillG]

=BillG;3352456]Hi studyman


It was the Law and even though Jesus had come, many were still trying to use it for the cleansing of sins, justification, forgiveness, they are the same.

This is the situation Paul found himself in. The mainstream preachers of his time would open their Bible and say, See, Moses commanded that we should take a sacrifice to the Levite to have our sins removed, be cleansed, justify us, whatever word you want to use.

Paul had to explain to them that even though it was part of God's Laws, it was a shadow of the sacrifice of the Messiah, and now that the "SEED has come" He is the High Priest and He shed His blood once and for all.

So as prophesied in the Old Testament, a new and better way to cleanse sins, forgive, justify us, was created by God through Jesus.

So in his explanation regarding the Levitical Priesthood "Works and Deeds of the Law" for cleansing, forgiveness, justification of sins, he said the following.

Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

We have been taught since our youth that there is only one Law of God, and for us this is true. The Levitical Priesthood was fulfilled by Jesus years ago. But Paul was still fighting with the Mainstream Preachers of his time about this.

They refused to separate God's Righteous Commandments Abraham obeyed, from the "ADDED" Law of Works for cleansing, justification, forgiveness, whatever.

These liars and hypocrites, as Jesus called them, were still clumping the two laws together. When they said "Law of Moses" this included the "Law of Works" of the Levitical Priesthood Paul is discussing in Romans 3 and Galatians.

They refused to accept the truth that it was and always had been the Blood of Jesus that justified, forgave, removed, cleansed, their sins.

The mainstream preachers of today make the same mistake. They refuse to separate the "Law of Works, from the "Law of Faith". They preach when Paul speaks about "works of the Law", he means the 10 Commandments, and all of God's Righteous Commandments. This lie has deceived "MANY" as Jesus said it would.

The Law of Faith, which can also be known as "works worthy of repentance", is spoken of differently by Paul.

Rom. 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;


13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

This is what Jesus preached.

3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

And this is what Paul preached;

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Abraham believe God enough to follow his Instructions and it was accounted unto him as righteousness. He believed in God enough to follow His Instruction and this action was called "Faith".

He didn't follow man made doctrines and traditions, he didn't create his own righteousness, his own laws or judged and pick one part of God's instruction over another.

We are to have this same "Faith of Abraham" which is taught against by "many" preachers who "come in His name".

I hope this answers your questions.

Thanks for responding.

I think for me that Abraham was considered righteous because he believed.

Genesis 12:1-4
Chapter 12
Promises to Abram
1 Now the Lord had said to Abram:“Get out of your country,From your family And from your father's house,To a land that I will show you.
2 I will make you a great nation; I will bless youAnd make your name great; And you shall be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
4 So Abram departed as the Lord had spoken to him, and Lot went with him. And Abram was seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran.

Genesis 15:6-11


6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.
7 Then He said to him, “I am the Lord, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to inherit it.”
8 And he said, “Lord God, how shall I know that I will inherit it?”
9 So He said to him, “Bring Me a three-year-old heifer, a three-year-old female goat, a three-year-old ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.” 10 Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, down the middle, and placed each piece opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds in two. 11 And when the vultures came down on the carcasses, Abram drove them away.

Firstly for me, we find Abram going about his daily life then he either hears something or feels it.

God saying "Pack up your bags and go to a place I tell you to"

So he does, something makes him believe.

He had faith to follow, me thinks it probably did not make sense but he goes.
Obeys God.

So obedience follows faith.

Yet we do know Abram at times did not fully trust God, in a sense lacked faith in the promise of God.

The mainstream preachers of today make the same mistake. They refuse to separate the "Law of Works, from the "Law of Faith". They preach when Paul speaks about "works of the Law", he means the 10 Commandments, and all of God's Righteous Commandments. This lie has deceived "MANY" as Jesus said it would.

Your above quote confuses me.

What are the law of works? What is the separation?

Please explain to me as if I am a five year old.

 

[preacher4truth]

Thank goodness you disagree with the scriptures I posted.

The above has to be one of the most unChristian attitudes I've witnessed. "Thankful" that another disagrees with Scripture??? WOW! (and your false accusation isn't remotely true).

It is one assurance I have that I am on the right path.

Note: The assurance isn't based on Scripture, but on a diss of another person. Now he feels "assured" after the false derogation of another person.

Thank you for your thorough and thoughtful reply to my post.

"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."

No one here has doubted those words of Christ, our LORD and Savior.

 

[Studyman]

I do not disagree with any Scripture , I disagree with isolating verses, and building theology around them. this is mis-use of God's word.


tell me, what is wrong with reading Acts 16, or the Book of Acts, and then making conclutions . why the need to try so strongly to isolate Scripture, why is wrong to conjoin and use context?

It is you who preach God's Commandments are a burden to the people of the world. I simply showed you where this preaching is false.

If you can make the scriptural case that God's Commandments are the burden of the world, then by all means make it.

I'm not going to throw away God's Words just because you say so.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Man's works of righteousness are a filthy rag. We would need to repent from man's righteousness and turn to God and His Righteousness, Yes?

Isn't that why Jesus said:

Matt. 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and [/COLOR]his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Jesus said to seek these things FIRST. So what do we do when we find God's Righteousness EG? Do we reject it and create our own?

Good post EG.

Yep. and scripture said that it is mistake to seek righteousness by the law. But to seek it by faith. In doing this, all the things of God will be added to you.

 

[gb9]

It is you who preach God's Commandments are a burden to the people of the world. I simply showed you where this preaching is false.

If you can make the scriptural case that God's Commandments are the burden of the world, then by all means make it.

I'm not going to throw away God's Words just because you say so.[/QUOT

I did not call the law the yoke of bondage. Paul did in Galatians . I won't tell you what part, so maybe you will read the whole letter. like you are supposed to.

and, once again, why should we isolate verses? why can we not conjoin and use context?
explain why that is wrong.

 

[Studyman]

The above has to be one of the most unChristian attitudes I've witnessed. "Thankful" that another disagrees with Scripture??? WOW! (and your false accusation isn't remotely true).



Note: The assurance isn't based on Scripture, but on a diss of another person. Now he feels "assured" after the false derogation of another person.



No one here has doubted those words of Christ, our LORD and Savior.

Funny how you get all offended about by little sarcastic quip as a result of many arguments with gb9. But others can call people all manner of names and insults and you are silent.

I find it fascinating that preaching absolute falsehoods like, God's Commandments are the burden of men, is fine with you. But making a sarcastic comment with a person who has just ignored the post he is responding to gets you all excited.


I will take your criticism under advisement.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is you who preach God's Commandments are a burden to the people of the world. I simply showed you where this preaching is false.

If you can make the scriptural case that God's Commandments are the burden of the world, then by all means make it.

I'm not going to throw away God's Words just because you say so.

No, No one says that, Do you ever listen to anyone?

What he and everyone else says is that trying to obey Gods commands as required by the law (perfection) is a burden. In fact it is impossible.

 

[BillG]

Matthew 11:28-30
28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”



Here is where I think you are off the tracks Billy. The Pharisees did NOT follow or preach the Laws of God. They had created their own religion, their own doctrines and traditions, and they lived in "Transgression of God's Commandments".

Matt. 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4 For they ( Not God Billy, but the Pharisees) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

This is what Peter is speaking to in Acts 15. It wasn't God's righteousness that burdened mankind, it was their rebellion and disrespect for God and His ways.

This is a huge point of understanding. The preaching that God's Laws burdened mankind is an evil and wicked deception, and can not be supported anywhere from scripture.

Jesus was referring to Jer. 6:16 in this scripture you quested.

Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

Kind of ironic how the scriptures of the OT can mirror what is happening in our lives all these years late.

11:29-30: A yoke, which forms a harness between two animals, is a metaphor for the demands of discipleship.
In contrast to the “yoke” of the religious leaders, Jesus’ yoke is easy and light, not because it is less demanding (see 7:13-14), but because the power of the Messiah (by the Holy Spirit) makes it possible (see Acts 15:10; 1 Jn 5:3).



Having the foundation of your knowledge built in part on falsehood causes everything else to be skewed. The Word says, "A little leaven leavens the whole lump"

Since you believe it was God's Commandments that burdened the people and not false doctrines and traditions of man as the Bible teaches, you have a completely different take on scripture than those who recognize this scriptural error.

I hope you will consider these words and look into this yourself.

Studyman that was the point of my post.

Jesus was coming against all the crap and extras that the religions leaders of the day were imposing imposing.
And that is what Jesus was coming against.

Don't listen to them. Listen to me
The commands of God are not burdensome now we are in the Spirit.

The burdensome practices placed on the Jews were placed on them by the Pharisees.
This is what Jesys was mad about.

I am really sorry but you seem to have a blindspot towards my me.
At the moment i can't see where we disagree concerning this.