Grace alone or grace plus works?

[DJ2]

Again :

Do you know what diction means?

 

[preacher4truth]

Do you know what diction means?

More importantly you don't know what the Gospel means.


Again:

As per usual you don't know what you're talking about. We are justified by faith. Faith has evidence.

You don't even know or understand the Gospel.

How long have you been hoodwinked by your false gospel of works that mitigates Christ yet exalts your flesh?

 

[preacher4truth]

Just think of the OP question:

Is salvation by Grace alone?

Upon salvation, what else were you saved by? Yourself? Did you help God then?

If you were saved ("rescued from impending danger," which implies and means there will be none to be faced) by grace why then does any fool think they are adding anything to it by what they do?

 

[Galatea]

If it is not by grace alone, it is not salvation. If you work for something, someone else is not saving you. You are earning a reward.

 

[DJ2]

More importantly you don't know what the Gospel means.


Again:

Diction means the choice of words or phrases used to convey a message. If you do not understand this simple word it would explain why you do not grasp my point.

 

[DJ2]

If it is not by grace alone, it is not salvation. If you work for something, someone else is not saving you. You are earning a reward.

Can you give me an example of the works that people are preforming in order to earn their salvation.

 

[preacher4truth]

Diction means the choice of words or phrases used to convey a message. If you do not understand this simple word it would explain why you do not grasp my point.

Nothing but derogation and condescension, of course I know the word meaning, but that is beside the point.

DJ2, it's time to file you away. You've been warned enough concerning your false gospel, by many others, and by myself, yet you continue to deny the Gospel of Christ and fight against the brothers and sisters here who have been saved by grace with your false gospel message.

 

[DJ2]

Nothing but derogation and condescension, of course I know the word meaning, but that is beside the point.

DJ2, it's time to file you away. You've been warned enough concerning your false gospel, by many others, and by myself, yet you continue to deny the Gospel of Christ and fight against the brothers and sisters here who have been saved by grace with your false gospel message.

It is not beside the point, it is the point.

The diction used in verses such as John 3:16 is not written in a definitive matter. There is nothing in the verse to imply such a reading. If the writer wanted to convey that it was faith alone that saves there are many words he could have used. Even the type of faith and content of faith is not mentioned. The verse is worded as a general statement.

You can not base a theology on hand picked general verses and ignore the rest of scripture. This is bad reasoning.

If you wish to "file me away" so be it but you seem to not understand the difference between general and definitive.

 

[Galatea]

Can you give me an example of the works that people are preforming in order to earn their salvation.

Any thing a person does to obtain or keep salvation is a work and is not grace.

 

[DJ2]

Any thing a person does to obtain or keep salvation is a work and is not grace.

Could you cite an example?

 

[Galatea]

Could you cite an example?

Giving money or goods to the poor would be a work. A good work, but not something that saves a soul or keeps a soul saved. Only grace does that.

 

[Isny]

Most of the posts above are correct. First there must be grace which then leads to good works. We are just fooling ourselves if there is grace without good works. Indeed, life is not worth living unless it is lived for others (our good works).

 

[TruthTalk]

Nothing but derogation and condescension, of course I know the word meaning, but that is beside the point.

DJ2, it's time to file you away. You've been warned enough concerning your false gospel, by many others, and by myself, yet you continue to deny the Gospel of Christ and fight against the brothers and sisters here who have been saved by grace with your false gospel message.

Thank you Preacher, DJ2's posting's were alway's deceptive from the beginning. And besides his foolish attempt at baiting people into an argument by insults after insults he would sometimes end his post with an evil sounding twist, like a poorly written novel.

The problem here on Chriatainchat is that some innocent Child of God may believe his "nonsense." I have never come across a poster with more insults in his little dirty bag of tricks.

Thanks for the warning, more wood for the pile.

 

[mailmandan]

This is just sad for you.

Its ok that you don't understand the gospel.

But you shouldn't curse yourself on top of it.

You could always pray. That's what I did/do.

You read the scriptures, but you don't understand them. You've even been told what they mean and you still don't believe. And you don't understand that the very scriptures you post apply to you.

I should probably take the Lords advice on this. But I was so hoping that some of the legalists and judaizers would be converted based on something I explained about the Lord Jesus Christ....

It's ironic to hear someone quote verses and direct them at others in a derogatory fashion, yet they apply directly to themselves.

We are not fooled by the perverted sabbath gospel, as taught by SDA's or any other "works based" FALSE gospel, as taught by various other false religions and cults. We are also not impressed by huge information dumps of scripture twisting, psycho babble and rhetoric, which is just long winded nonsense. Law and grace do not mix. The Old and New Covenants do not mix, yet that's exactly what legalists and modern day judaizers set out to do.

The Gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. Unbelievers refuse to believe the Gospel by refusing to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Romans 1:16; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4).

 

[gb9]

what you described in your 3rd paragraph has a name- it is called paganism. manipulating an angry or indifferent deity, rituals or taboos to soothe a wrathful God, all this is paganism. the Hebrew roots/ sda, reduce the loving, all knowing , all powerful Heavenly Father to a version of zeus. insulting, in my opinion.

 

[Chester]

Paul says it s "by grace through faith" and is "not of works". Thus neither of the two choices given in the poll are correct. One choice adds the word "alone" and the other adds works.

 

[DJ2]

Thank you Preacher, DJ2's posting's were alway's deceptive from the beginning. And besides his foolish attempt at baiting people into an argument by insults after insults he would sometimes end his post with an evil sounding twist, like a poorly written novel.

The problem here on Chriatainchat is that some innocent Child of God may believe his "nonsense." I have never come across a poster with more insults in his little dirty bag of tricks.

Thanks for the warning, more wood for the pile.

You label me

deceptive from the beginning

accuse me of making

foolish attempt at baiting people into an argument

You claim I am making

insults after insults

That I

sometimes end his post with an evil sounding twist, like a poorly written novel.

My views are

"nonsense."

as well as my having

more insults in his little dirty bag of tricks

You end your discourse with this lovely little snippet about me as

more wood for the pile.

My posts are rather blunt but it is you who sees insults when you are faced with their truth. There are no insults in my posts. I truly did not think he knew the meaning of diction. But you certainly are insulting.

It is

that some innocent Child of God

who should avoid coming into contact with one of your posts.

 

[mailmandan]

1Cor. 15 1-4, The Gospel by which we are saved is believing in your heart the death, burial and resurrection plus nothing. God knows your heart thus if you do then you are one of His. Learn to rightly devide and to be good stewards of the now revealed mysteries. For the correct and only way go to LesFeldick.org

I’ve watched “Through the Bible with Les Feldick” on Christian Television before. If you enjoy him and dispensational teaching, then you would like Matthew McGee:

Wielding the Sword of the Spirit

 

[TruthTalk]

You label me accuse me of making

You claim I am making

That I

My views are as well as my having

You end your discourse with this lovely little snippet about me as

My posts are rather blunt but it is you who sees insults when you are faced with their truth. There are no insults in my posts. I truly did not think he knew the meaning of diction. But you certainly are insulting.

It is who should avoid coming into contact with one of your posts.

Its always someone's fault other than you, have a wonderful forever Mr DJ2

Notice to forum DJ2 is on Ignore

 

[Isny]

You label me accuse me of making

You claim I am making

That I

My views are as well as my having

You end your discourse with this lovely little snippet about me as

My posts are rather blunt but it is you who sees insults when you are faced with their truth. There are no insults in my posts. I truly did not think he knew the meaning of diction. But you certainly are insulting.

It is who should avoid coming into contact with one of your posts.

DJ2 and TruthTalk, are you proud of yourselves??