About Israel's Capital

[JaumeJ]

Before it was Jerusalem, it was called Urshalaim inhabited by the Jebusites.

Urushalaim or Urusaem is City of Peae.

When the Father chose it for His purposes it became Yahursalem, or Jerusalem...City of Yahweh's Peace.

The Jerusalem of this age , again, is the bond servant, while our Jerusalem is truly free.

 

[abcdef]

Allow me to quote Someone Who knows.

And when you see Jerusalem, and the times of the gentiles fulfilled, watch!

There is much more, but I am believing people who come in this forum have read the Word at least some of it.

Do you think, that the times of the gentiles is ended?

Where do you think that we are, in the statue of Dan. 2 timeline?

 

[JaumeJ]

The times of the gentiles has not yet ended, but it is certainly possible to be soon.

Daniel said to the Angel that he did not understand the words of teh prophecy. The Angel
informed him to seal up the words in a book for they are for a gneration to come.

The instruction given by the Angel tells me when the time is upon us, all who believe will
then understand. This too is yet to occur. Anyone interpreting the words of the Book before they are
generally understood by those who believe Jesus Christ is jumping th gun, according to the Angel.

Sorry, I missread the second part. It is evident we are to the feet of clay and iron.

 

[kaylagrl]

Do you think, that the times of the gentiles is ended?

Where do you think that we are, in the statue of Dan. 2 timeline?

No the time of the Gentiles is not passed...yet. But we are very near.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The Jerusalem now is akin to the slave, while the New Jerusalem to come is the truly free, our Jerusalem who believe Jesus Christ.

1. We should STOP confusing Jerusalem on earth with the heavenly city New Jerusalem.

2. At the present time Israel is in UNBELIEF, therefore earthly Jerusalem is in BONDAGE, and is being trodden down by the Gentiles.

3. After the second coming of Christ Jerusalem on earth will be REDEEMED AND RESTORED so that God can dwell in Jerusalem as He has said He will. There will be a pure, undefiled temple in Jerusalem at that time.

4. The New Jerusalem is not a little city but a huge continent to house all the saints of God. There is no way that it can be a replacement for Jerusalem on earth.

And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. (Rev 21:16).

12,000 furlongs = 1,500 miles

LENGTH = 1,500 MILES

BREADTH = 1,500 MILES

HEIGHT = 1,500 MILES

So the heavenly city is a PERFECT CUBE the size of a continent, and with a cubic capacity that is unimaginable.

 

[JaumeJ]

No one is confusing anything here. I am paraphrasing with understanding what is taught in the New Testament. Here Hagar, above Sarah.

1. We should STOP confusing Jerusalem on earth with the heavenly city New Jerusalem.

2. At the present time Israel is in UNBELIEF, therefore earthly Jerusalem is in BONDAGE, and is being trodden down by the Gentiles.

3. After the second coming of Christ Jerusalem on earth will be REDEEMED AND RESTORED so that God can dwell in Jerusalem as He has said He will. There will be a pure, undefiled temple in Jerusalem at that time.

4. The New Jerusalem is not a little city but a huge continent to house all the saints of God. There is no way that it can be a replacement for Jerusalem on earth.

And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. (Rev 21:16).

12,000 furlongs = 1,500 miles

LENGTH = 1,500 MILES

BREADTH = 1,500 MILES

HEIGHT = 1,500 MILES

So the heavenly city is a PERFECT CUBE the size of a continent, and with a cubic capacity that is unimaginable.

 

[abcdef]

Brother JaumeJ, I am very interested to read what you have to say.

The times of the gentiles has not yet ended, but it is certainly possible to be soon.

According to Lk 21: 20-24, 24, The ToG's end when Jerusalem is no longer under the control of gentile nations.

Isn't that descriptive of the present time? after 1967?

What else do you believe must happen, to end the ToG's?

Daniel said to the Angel that he did not understand the words of teh prophecy. The Angel
informed him to seal up the words in a book for they are for a gneration to come.

Doesn't it say that after the power of the holy people are scattered, that the scroll v 4, can be opened?

Doesn't that imply that we are to understand after the dest of Jeru?

The instruction given by the Angel tells me when the time is upon us, all who believe will
then understand. This too is yet to occur. Anyone interpreting the words of the Book before they are
generally understood by those who believe Jesus Christ is jumping th gun, according to the Angel.

This (Dan. 12) was shown over 2500 years ago, the understanding came after 70 ad. (power of the holy people scattered)

Someone has to understand to start with, in order for the teaching to be understood by the rest.

Sorry, I missread the second part. It is evident we are to the feet of clay and iron.

What does the stone striking mean to you?

 

[Muzungu256]

Evidently you missed the GOOD NEWS about the New Heavens and the New Earth. That is sad indeed.

yes new. not this one u see.......

 

[crossnote]

People can make various fantasies even based on some verses. Its nothing new. Interpretation is nothing measurable.

It's definitely not measurable when prophecies are spiritualized. When taken literally they become more measurable.

 

[crossnote]

Just sticking with today's Jerusalem (not the New) it is said...

"Behold, I am about to make Jerusalem a cup of staggering to all the surrounding peoples. The siege of Jerusalem will also be against Judah. On that day I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples. All who lift it will surely hurt themselves. And all the nations of the earth will gather against it. On that day, declares the LORD, I will strike every horse with panic, and its rider with madness. But for the sake of the house of Judah I will keep my eyes open, when I strike every horse of the peoples with blindness. Then the clans of Judah shall say to themselves, 'The inhabitants of Jerusalem have strength through the LORD of hosts, their God.'
(Zec 12:2-5)

The push for the recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel is a slap in the face for the likes of Erdogan, Kim Jong Un, the Ayatolla of Iran and Barack Obama. Selah. (birds of a feather etc.)

 

[Nehemiah6]

The push for the recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel is a slap in the face for the likes of Erdogan, Kim Jong Un, the Ayatolla of Iran and Barack Obama. Selah. (birds of a feather etc.)

All of these are the enemies of God, Christ, and the Jews. But what about Pope Francis, who has jumped on the same bandwagon and wants to oppose Trump at every opportunity? Draw your own conclusions.

 

[Nehemiah6]

No one is confusing anything here. I am paraphrasing with understanding what is taught in the New Testament. Here Hagar, above Sarah.

That's what happens when things are taken out of context. The Old and the New Covenants are contrasted allegorically by Hagar and Sarah as explained by Paul.

But the Old Covenant has been set aside, and Jerusalem on earth will be under the New Covenant IN THE FUTURE, with Christ as King and Lord, and David as king under Christ. Read and study prophecy, and be not unbelieving.

There are far too many Christians who struggle with the simple concept that there is a New Jerusalem in Heaven for the Church, and there will be a redeemed and restored Jerusalem for redeemed and restored Israel under the New Covenant but on earth. They forget that the Abrahamic Covenant includes the restoration of the 12 tribes to the land between the Nile and the Euphrates.

 

[Sagart]

All of these are the enemies of God, Christ, and the Jews. But what about Pope Francis, who has jumped on the same bandwagon and wants to oppose Trump at every opportunity? Draw your own conclusions.

Would Pope Francis even be a Christian if he did not want to oppose Trump at every turn?

 

[valiant]

Everything in Scripture could be deemed as fantasies by those who will not believe what is revealed. Start with this prophecy and see how it will be fulfilled:

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. (Zech 12:10).

Fulfilled at His first coming.

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him,

and they

also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

(Rev 1:7).

Second coming.

Sooooooo?

 

[valiant]

That's what happens when things are taken out of context. The Old and the New Covenants are contrasted allegorically by Hagar and Sarah as explained by Paul.

And the allegory is that the first Jerusalem is earthly and the second Jerusalem is HEAVENLY. The latter is NOT the New Jerusalem

But the Old Covenant has been set aside, and Jerusalem on earth will be under the New Covenant IN THE FUTURE,

Well it reads to me as though the Jerusalem is HEAVENLY and NOW. Not a Jerusalem on earth at all.

with Christ as King and Lord, and David as king under Christ.

LOL you are reading your theories into it. It is HEAVENLY, therefore IN HEAVEN.

There are far too many Christians who struggle with the simple concept that there is a New Jerusalem in Heaven for the Church, and there will be a redeemed and restored Jerusalem for redeemed and restored Israel under the New Covenant but on earth.

Now where in the New Testament does it say that?

They forget that the Abrahamic Covenant includes the restoration of the 12 tribes to the land between the Nile and the Euphrates.

The Abrahamic covenant's fulfilment is described in Heb 11.10-14.

 

[valiant]

Would Pope Francis even be a Christian if he did not want to oppose Trump at every turn?

But IS HE???????

 

[Sagart]

But IS HE???????

Yes! Of course Saint Francis in a Christian!

Even Great Danes and English Mastiffs recognize Chihuahuas as being dogs. Likewise, Christians recognize other Christians as being Christians.

 

[Ugly]

Yes! Of course Saint Francis in a Christian!

Even Great Danes and English Mastiffs recognize Chihuahuas as being dogs. Likewise, Christians recognize other Christians as being Christians.

Ironic statement to make in the BDF. A forum that is literally infamous for its accusations against one another not being Christians.
Personally I don't view popes as Christian. Most people on the site would agree.

 

[abcdef]

Yes! Of course Saint Francis in a Christian!

Even Great Danes and English Mastiffs recognize Chihuahuas as being dogs. Likewise, Christians recognize other Christians as being Christians.

Well, they do not accept you as a Christian, unless you are Roman Catholic.

Otherwise you are a harlot.

Centuries ago they would have killed you if you didn't swear to the "holy father", Bishop of Rome, and the RCC.

Just having a Bible would get you killed.

They don't recognize you as a Christian.

Go to Ireland. Europe. See what a difference it can be, sometimes, and I suppose that Christians who want peace, would agree, but for centuries, it has not been that way.

Our eyes must look at the world with history, because the future will be shaped by that history.

The future of Jerusalem, will be shaped by the history of Jerusalem.

 

[JaumeJ]

Having lived in Israel, I am personally familiar with the situation in Jerusalem, and the "times of the Gentiles" are far from over.

As for the rest of your post, it is not good for me, for me, to ramble on about what Daniel's Book may or may not mean since the understanding is yet to be given to all who believe.

Brother JaumeJ, I am very interested to read what you have to say.



According to Lk 21: 20-24, 24, The ToG's end when Jerusalem is no longer under the control of gentile nations.

Isn't that descriptive of the present time? after 1967?

What else do you believe must happen, to end the ToG's?



Doesn't it say that after the power of the holy people are scattered, that the scroll v 4, can be opened?

Doesn't that imply that we are to understand after the dest of Jeru?




This (Dan. 12) was shown over 2500 years ago, the understanding came after 70 ad. (power of the holy people scattered)

Someone has to understand to start with, in order for the teaching to be understood by the rest.



What does the stone striking mean to you?