What was the "different gospel" in Galatians 1:6?l

Hizikyah · Dec 15, 2017

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Bottom linb Yahshua/Jesus says nothing will pass from the Law unless heaven and earth pass, anyone that removes the Law before that must not believe His words at minimum in that passage:

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]
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1 Samuel 12:24, “Only fear [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and you shall serve Him in truth with all your heart, for consider what marvels He has done for you.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 4:19, “We love Him because He first loved us.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy." [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 2:9, “But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which YHWH has prepared for those who love Him.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 14:23-24, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”[/FONT]

reneweddaybyday · Dec 15, 2017

I believe Paul addressed the same issue Jesus spoke of:

Matthew 23:

1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.

Grandpa · Dec 15, 2017

Matthew 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

The Lord Jesus said He came to fulfill the law. Then He said none of the law will pass until all of it is fulfilled.

So if your failed philosophy is trying to use these verses to continue on in the failed covenant of law, then you at least need to understand what they say.

They say you are either under ALL THE LAW or you are under NONE of it, by your faith.

They DO NOT say that you can pick and choose which laws you like to be under and which laws you don't.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

If you continue in the covenant of law then sin shall have dominion over you. For you still are under law.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Galatians 2:19-21

19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

2 Peter 3:17-18

17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

LoveGodForever · Dec 15, 2017

Hello Marcelo,

Thanks for your post. I did answer your questions in relation to the OP. I will post it again at the end of this post maybe you missed it. Some comments for you below for your consideration...

Marcelo said:

There is no yes and no only answer for this question. You will need to understand what the OLD Covenant is and what the NEW Covenant is in order to answer this question. This is the reason I asked earlier in post # 83 (linked) ...

Anyhow let me answer your questions here (Not the one I asked you above). The term mitzot is a man made tradition developed in the 3rd century when Rabbi Simlai mentioned it in a sermon that is recorded in Talmud Makkot 23b (Source, Wiki). The term has no basis in God's Word.

Under the Old Covenant there are.................

1. God's Law (10 commandments) written by God alone on two tables of stone and spoken by God himself to His people. 2. The Mosaic laws for remission of sins that were written by Moses in a book (Levitical, Ceremonial, Sanctuary including the annual festivals and misc), 3. Civil laws of Moses written by Moses in the Book, 4. Health laws written by Moses in the book.

1. God's Law (10 commandments) God's Word says are forever because they are the work of God the standard in the Old and NEW Covenant that give a knowledge of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS) and are the standard in the Judgement to come that we all must give account to God for the things we have done here on this earth. Can we keep God's LAW? How can you pull a clean thing out of an unclean? Those who through FAITH and the operation of God that are Born again to follow God through LOVE and a NEW HEART are free to FOLLOW him. Those who have FAITH that works by LOVE keep all the commandments of God (John 14:15; Romans 3:31; Rev 12:17; 14:12; 22:14: 1 John 2:3-4)

ANSWER; YES: God's people through faith have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE to God's LAW (10 commandments) which are written on their hearts through LOVE and LOVE is the fulfilling of His Law in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word.
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2. The Mosaic laws for remission of sins with all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, burnt offerings for sin, annual feast days foretelling the plan of salvation which were connected to Feast days with New Moon sabbaths, food and drink offerings and other Holy days. These where all types pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation and provided a cure for sin through animal sacrifice and food and drink offerings and yearly sin atonement's for God’s people. (Leviticus 1:1-13; Leviticus 23:1-44; Numbers 28:1-31; 29:1-40; Deuteronomy 24:10-11; Exodus 24:3; Deuteronomy 31:24-26; Colossians 2:16-16; Hebrews 10:1; Ephesians 2:14-15; Leviticus 4; 5; 6; Hebrews 4:14; 9;10; John 1:29; not exhaustive there are many more).

ANSWER; NO: All the laws for remission of SIN were shadows pointing to Jesus as our Lamb of God and Great High Priest and are fulfilled in Him and what was written in the law and the Prophets.

.........3. Civil laws of Moses

ANSWER; NO: Ceased at Jesus when Israel was conquered by the Roman Empire and fell under Roman civil law. There is now no death sentences for openly breaking God's Law (10 commandments). The death penalty for SIN was a shadow now reserved for the great day of the Judgement.

......... 4. Health laws included all the sanitary and laws that govern health.

ANSWER; YES: We are the temple of the Holy Ghost and if any man defiles God's temple him will God destroy. God made us and knows what is good for us and we should believe and follow him.

Marcelo said:

Answered above alreadyin 1. God's Law (10 commandments)
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten ( Exodus 20:8-11 ) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God ask s us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Marcelo said:

Already answered in a previous post.... (re-posted from Post # 8)

A different Gospel is one that tries to do away with God's WORD or only uses some of God's WORD to make it of none effect.

The different Gospel is one that tries to separate God's LAW from the LOVE of God.

Why is God's Law important to helping someone to have faith in Christ alone?

Because it is only through the Law of God (10 commandments) that any of us have a knowledge of what sin is (1John 3:4; Rom 3:20; 24). If we do away with God's Law we have no knowledge of sin. If we have no knowledge of sin we have no need of a savior. If we have no need of a savior we have no salvation. If we have no salvation we are lost. "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law." (Rom 2:12).

God's Law shows us that we are sinners in need of a savior. God's Law was given to us that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God (Rom 3:19). It shows us that we are sinners and cannot save ourselves from this disease that we have within us so that we can by Faith lay hold of the promises of God's Words so that Jesus can save us from our sins. Jesus did not come to save the righteous (those that think they do not need saving) but sinners (those that know their need of saving) (Matt 9:12-13; Mark 2:17; Luke 5:32) God's Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ. It will be the basis of the judgement where we will all be accountable to God.

The Law of God is the only way of showing us who we truly are, sinners in need of a Saviour and in this condition we can see for the first time Him who loved us and washed us in His own blood and by faith only lay hold of the promises of God’s Word. (2Pet 1:4) It is here as we believe God that he changes us from living a life of breaking God's Law to a life of walking with him. It is through the operation of God through Love because he first loved us that we follow Jesus not for salvation but because of love. Love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh (carnal sinful mind) but after the spirit and why Jesus says to his followers, "If you love me keep the commandments" (John 14:15).

People cannot see that this is the operation of God in the believer and assume God's people believe they are saved by their works, when in fact Jesus is saving us from our sins to walk in newness of life in fulfillment of His new Covenant promise (Heb 8:10-12)...... Gods Sheep hear His Voice salvation is from sin and sin is the transgression of God's Law (1John 3:4) whosoever is living in sin has neither seen him nor known him (1John 3:6) ............

Now that I have answered ALL your questions maybe it would help the conversation if I asked a few questions?

1. If someone is living a life of UNREPENTANT SIN and does not seek God in REPENTANCE and FORGIVENESS, are they in a SAVED state before God or an UNSAVED STATE before God? ( SAVED or UNSAVED)

2. How can you know what SIN without God's 10 commandments?

3. Where in God's Word does it say that God's 4th commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day in it's place?

Look forward to your reply.

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

Studyman · Dec 15, 2017

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36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

God's Law is not sin.

Heb. 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Marcelo · Dec 15, 2017

Hello LGForever,

Thanks for your post. Please bear with me because I'm not a theologian -- let's go step by step.

Let's suppose you're a pastor and some newly converted Christians ask you: "Pastor, how should we keep the law?" How would you teach them?

Ahwatukee · Dec 15, 2017

Hello Hizikyah,

The verse above is regarding what Jesus previously said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have not come to abolish, but to fulfill them."

The reason that nothing would pass from the law is because Jesus fulfilled it, satisfying it completely. If nothing passing from the law was dependent upon human beings, then the law would continue to be unfulfilled because we fail at it.

iamsoandso · Dec 15, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

In the "body of Christ",,,"WE" is Jesus part of this same "we" and did he a fail at it?

Hizikyah · Dec 16, 2017

Grandpa said:

You seem to have ignored "till heaven and earth pass" has this already happened? Nope, but it will:
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Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]

But lets say for argum,ent that wee can ignoe that, and just focus on;

Grandpa said:

tuill all be fulfille, is all fulfilled? Have the prophecies about Yahshua/Jesus return been fulfilled?

Nope.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 24:44-46, “And He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all have to be fulfilled that were written in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me. Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it has been written, and so it was necessary for the Messiah to suffer and to rise again from the dead the third day.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]There are 2 "it is done" statements...

Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”

Fulfilled already- To be fulfilled in the future

1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever

To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

Seems many have a "different gospel" that what the messiah preached...
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Ahwatukee · Dec 16, 2017

And is mankind or has mankind ever kept the law and kept it perfectly? Because that is what is required. Jesus came to fulfill the law i.e. bring it to fruition, to satisfy it completely. Jesus did not come to perpetuate the law, i.e. he did not come to keep the law going.

Anyone who is trusting in anyone or anything other than the Lord as the One who provided salvation for us, has wandered away from grace. Anyone trusting in their own works are not trusting in the Lord's finished work. It is like saying to him, "you're sacrifice is insufficient."

Hizikyah · Dec 16, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

None are without sin

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."

Does this mean we ignore His Instructions?

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:28, “For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, “Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!”[/FONT]

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]*What is sin, that we may not continue in it?[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Ahwatukee said:

OK sure.

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail." [/FONT]

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 5:28-30, “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have practiced righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.”[/FONT]

Ahwatukee said:

So seeking to obey Him means you don't trust Him? That is an odd doctrine.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 4:19, “We love Him because He first loved us.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy." [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 14:23-24, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”[/FONT]

Hizikyah · Dec 16, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

I want to add how does promoting obedience to His Commands, preaching they should not be cast aside or wanting to do His will mean any of the things you said?

Also what di I say that would even warrant such a reply?

I am not trying to be mean but what I see is when anyone says obedience to His cammands are a right thing, mahby scream "self justification" and similar things, when this was not even remotely spoken... WHy is this? Is there some kind of enmity to His Commands? I find it very odd.

LoveGodForever · Dec 16, 2017

Marcelo said:

Hello Marcelo,

Saying that you are not a theologian is not an excuse for ignoring all the scriptures just sent to you in post # 104 (linked) above. The scriptures in the post linked are topical scriptures and are relevant to our discussion.

You do not need to be a theologian to BELIEVE God's Word. God only asks us to BELIEVE and FOLLOW His Word not to be a theologian.

I am no theologian either but I love God and His Word and love sharing it with others.

Now I am happy to move forward once you reply to my post # 104 (linked).

I did answer all your questions and asked you a few questions at the end of the post.

As I did spend some time on the post I wrote to you, would you like to address the post and also answer the questions in the post before we move on and talk about something else?

Look forward to talking more with you and sharing God's Word.

May God bless you as you seek him through His Words

Harkins · Dec 16, 2017

Marcelo said:

The two main groups of preachers of "the gospel" in Paul's time was Paul, of course, and the Disciples. Perhaps there were other players as well but much of the controversy seems to be between the "Apostle to the Gentiles" and the "Apostles to the Circumcision" group.

This much is clear in parts of Acts and Paul's pastoral letters.

Paul opposes Peter: Galatians 2:11
References to the "circumcision group": Galatians 2:12, 2:13, Ephesians 2:11 Titus 1:10

In 2 Corinthians chapter 11 the opposing group is described by Paul as:

-Hebrews 2Cor 11:22
-Israelites 2Cor 11:22
-Abraham's descendants 2Cor 11:22
-Servants of Christ (but not as much as Paul by his words) 2Cor 11:23

And also

-False Apostles 2Cor 11:13
-deceitful workers 2Cor 11:13
-"super apostles" (in a mocking way) 2Cor 11:5

Unless there is some mysterious group that is only loosely associated with Peter at one point but is elsewhere absent, then it seems clear that the Disciples of Jesus are the ones preaching a message different to what Paul preaches. To my reckoning there could only be one group that seriously challenged his message, and that group would have to be the original disciples, because no other group would have had the credibility otherwise.

Hizikyah · Dec 16, 2017

What did Paul mean when he said "James, Peter and John seem to be pillars" [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]These are men that walked with Yahshua daily and Yahshua Himself called His apostles, training them to carry His doctrine to the world.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Galatians 2:9[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]TS 2009[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]So when James, Cephas, and John (who were reputed to be leaders) recognized the grace that had been given me, they gave Barnabas and me the right hand of fellowship, agreeing that we should go to the gentiles and they to the circumcised.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]New International Version[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James, Cephas and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]New Living Translation[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]In fact, James, Peter, and John, who were known as pillars of the church, recognized the gift God had given me, and they accepted Barnabas and me as their co-workers. They encouraged us to keep preaching to the Gentiles, while they continued their work with the Jews.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]English Standard Version[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]#G1380 δοκέω dokeo (d̮o-ke'-ō) v., 1. to suppose, consider, imagine., 2. (by implication) to seem (truthfully or uncertainly)., 3. (by inference) to presume., 4. (also) to repute or estimate., 5. (by extension) to be of reputation, estimable. {(used only in an alternate in certain tenses)} [a prolonged form of a primary verb, δόκω dốkō of the same meaning], KJV: be accounted, (of own) please(-ure), be of reputation, seem (good), suppose, think, trow, Compare: G1166, G1209, G2309, G3543, G3049, G5426, See also: G1384

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Marcelo said:

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:44-45, "That I might guard Your Law continually, Forever and ever; That I might walk in liberty, For I have sought Your orders;"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 1:22-25, “And become doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the Word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror, for he looks at himself, and goes away, and immediately forgets what he was like. But he that looked into the perfect Law of liberty, and continues in it, not becoming a hearer that forgets, but a doer of work, this one shall be blessed in his doing.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:8-12, “If you truly accomplish the sovereign Law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you do well, but if you show partiality, you commit sin, being found guilty by the Law as transgressors. For whoever shall guard all the Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” (Exo 20:14) also said, “Do not murder.” (Exo 20:13) Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of Law. So speak and so do as those who are to be judged by the Law of liberty.”[/FONT]

Grandpa · Dec 16, 2017

Harkins said:

Acts 15:5-10
5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Paul isn't writing his epistles against any disciples. Paul writes his epistles against the pharisees who try to add the law of moses to the gospel.

The other disciples all AGREE with Paul, including Peter.

Harkins · Dec 16, 2017

Grandpa said:

If Peter agrees with Paul, why does Paul "oppose him to his face" and call him wrong?

Who is the "circumcision group" that Peter is hanging out with and seemingly being (wrongly, according to Paul) influenced by? Did Peter ditch the other apostles and find a new group of friends among the Pharisees that Christ was always condemning?

In Galatians 2:7 and 2:8 Paul makes a distinction in that Peter is the "apostle to the circumcision" and Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles. This contradicts the Acts passage you quoted where Peter says he is the apostle to the Gentiles.

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Grandpa · Dec 16, 2017

Harkins said:

Peter is the Apostle to the circumcision. Later on. At first he is the apostle to the gentiles because the jews wouldn't have it.

And Peter made the mistake of continuing to keep some of the mosaic laws when he was around the circumcision. And that is why Paul confronted him.

Peter and Paul do not disagree on doctrine. Its shown in Acts 15 and in Peters epistles.

Hizikyah · Dec 16, 2017

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 15:6-7, “So the apostles and the elders met to consider this statement. After a lengthy debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God chose me to be the one among you through whom the Gentiles would hear the message of the gospel and believe."

I dont think the Most High changed His mind because what people said or thought or that the Most High made a mistake and change His mind...
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Marcelo · Dec 16, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

What I mean is: Please, make it simple. Here is what you wrote in post # 104:

Originally Posted by Marcelo

Do you observe all the mitzvot? YES or NO?

There is no yes and no only answer for this question. You will need to understand what the OLD Covenant is and what the NEW Covenant is in order to answer this question. This is the reason I asked earlier in post # 83 (linked) ...

LoveGodForever wrote: What do you mean by "whole law"? What is the Old Covenant to you mean? What does the new Covenant to you mean? What is sin? Only God's Word is true. Look forward to discussing it with you.

Anyhow let me answer your questions here (Not the one I asked you above). The term mitzot is a man made tradition developed in the 3rd century when Rabbi Simlai mentioned it in a sermon that is recorded in Talmud Makkot 23b (Source, Wiki). The term has no basis in God's Word.

Under the Old Covenant there are.................

1. God's Law (10 commandments) written by God alone on two tables of stone and spoken by God himself to His people. 2. The Mosaic laws for remission of sins that were written by Moses in a book (Levitical, Ceremonial, Sanctuary including the annual festivals and misc), 3. Civil laws of Moseswritten by Moses in the Book, 4. Health laws written by Moses in the book.

1. God's Law (10 commandments) God's Word says are forever because they are the work of God the standard in the Old and NEW Covenant that give a knowledge of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS) and are the standard in the Judgement to come that we all must give account to God for the things we have done here on this earth. Can we keep God's LAW? How can you pull a clean thing out of an unclean? Those who through FAITH and the operation of God that are Born again to follow God through LOVE and a NEW HEART are free to FOLLOW him. Those who have FAITH that works by LOVE keep all the commandments of God (John 14:15; Romans 3:31; Rev 12:17; 14:12; 22:14: 1 John 2:3-4)

ANSWER; YES: God's people through faith have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE to God's LAW (10 commandments) which are written on their hearts through LOVE and LOVE is the fulfilling of His Law in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word.
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2. The Mosaic laws for remission of sins with all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, burnt offerings for sin, annual feast days foretelling the plan of salvation which were connected to Feast days with New Moon sabbaths, food and drink offerings and other Holy days. These where all types pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation and provided a cure for sin through animal sacrifice and food and drink offerings and yearly sin atonement's for God’s people. (Leviticus 1:1-13; Leviticus 23:1-44; Numbers 28:1-31; 29:1-40; Deuteronomy 24:10-11; Exodus 24:3; Deuteronomy 31:24-26; Colossians 2:16-16; Hebrews 10:1; Ephesians 2:14-15; Leviticus 4; 5; 6; Hebrews 4:14; 9;10; John 1:29; not exhaustive there are many more).

ANSWER; NO: All the laws for remission of SIN were shadows pointing to Jesus as our Lamb of God and Great High Priest and are fulfilled in Him and what was written in the law and the Prophets.

.........3. Civil laws of Moses

ANSWER; NO: Ceased at Jesus when Israel was conquered by the Roman Empire and fell under Roman civil law. There is now no death sentences for openly breaking God's Law (10 commandments). The death penalty for SIN was a shadow now reserved for the great day of the Judgement.

......... 4. Health laws included all the sanitary and laws that govern health.

ANSWER; YES: We are the temple of the Holy Ghost and if any man defiles God's temple him will God destroy. God made us and knows what is good for us and we should believe and follow him.

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Is this the answer you would give to a newly converted Christian? (if he asked you: How should I keep the law?)

What was the "different gospel" in Galatians 1:6?l

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