What he is saying is, Rev.19:6-8 reveals the bride church as already being in heaven receiving her fine linen at the wedding of the Lamb. Then in verse 14 we see the bride/church following Christ out of heaven wearing her fine linen. If the bride/church is already in heaven and returning with the Lord, then it is obvious that the gathering of the church cannot take place when Christ returns to the earth to end age, because we're already with him riding on white horses. And again, if the church were in view in Matt.24:31, it would mean that she would have gone through all of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments which must take place prior to Christ's return to the earth of which we are exempt.
The Rapture Theory
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The punishment will be permanent. The punishing will end. Fire is not a preservative, it will burn up those thrown into it, including the devil.
Eze 28:
18) Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19) All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
The second death does not mean eternal life in torments. The second death means death, and it will be permanent.
Eze 28:
18) Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19) All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
The second death does not mean eternal life in torments. The second death means death, and it will be permanent.
Correct, fire is not a preservative. Satan and his angels are spirit and the fire will not consume them. Those whose names are not written in the book of life will also have resurrected bodies which will be indestructible, but will experience the torment of the flame without burning up. We have scripture stating that this punishment is forever, not temporary. Consider the following:
"And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
In the verse above the same word 'Aionios" is used to describe the final state of both the righteous and the wicked. Since we know that eternal life is never ending life, being conscious and aware for the righteous in the kingdom of God, then eternal punishment must also be never ending, conscious and aware in separation from God in the lake of fire. Whatever meaning you apply to one, must be applied to the other. Therefore, if eternal punishment is temporary, then so also must eternal life be temporary and we know that is not the truth.
"And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
In the verse above the same word 'Aionios" is used to describe the final state of both the righteous and the wicked. Since we know that eternal life is never ending life, being conscious and aware for the righteous in the kingdom of God, then eternal punishment must also be never ending, conscious and aware in separation from God in the lake of fire. Whatever meaning you apply to one, must be applied to the other. Therefore, if eternal punishment is temporary, then so also must eternal life be temporary and we know that is not the truth.
Ahwatukee, did you read the scripture I posted?
Eze 28:
18) Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19) All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
Or are you one of those who do not believe Ezekiel 28:12-19 are speaking about Satan?
The unsaved will not get indestructible bodies.
No. Again, fire is not a preservative. The lake of fire will burn up those who are thrown into it.
As I stated above, the punishMENT will be eternal. The punishING will cease.
Again, the punishment will be eternal. There will be no coming back from the second death. It will be permanent.
Another thing to consider. How can a just God punish people FOREVER for sins committed during a short 60-80 year life?
He can't. And won't.
And one more time, the wages of sin is death, not eternal life. Death is NOT life.
Eze 28:
18) Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19) All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
Or are you one of those who do not believe Ezekiel 28:12-19 are speaking about Satan?
The unsaved will not get indestructible bodies.
No. Again, fire is not a preservative. The lake of fire will burn up those who are thrown into it.
As I stated above, the punishMENT will be eternal. The punishING will cease.
Again, the punishment will be eternal. There will be no coming back from the second death. It will be permanent.
Another thing to consider. How can a just God punish people FOREVER for sins committed during a short 60-80 year life?
He can't. And won't.
And one more time, the wages of sin is death, not eternal life. Death is NOT life.
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The vid is lame.
@2;10 he pulls the ole Margaret Mcdonald card.
So ignorant.
She WAS POST TRIB.!!! She believed like all post trib rapture adherents that the church must go through the GT "for cleansing"
Post tribs are desperate. They can not make a biblical case,so they attack with extra biblical nonsense.
@2;10 he pulls the ole Margaret Mcdonald card.
So ignorant.
She WAS POST TRIB.!!! She believed like all post trib rapture adherents that the church must go through the GT "for cleansing"
Post tribs are desperate. They can not make a biblical case,so they attack with extra biblical nonsense.
This saying that the Rapture is Christ coming for his Saints and the second coming is Christ coming with him sounds biblical but it isn't except to those who believe in Soul sleep. Those who believe in a two stage coming of Christ always focus on 'those who are alive' and tend to play down those who are dead. There are millions of righteous dead in Heaven now with Christ. They will return with Christ and receive immortal bodies just as Paul said they would
But we would not have you ignorant brethren, concerning those who are asleep, that you may not grieve
as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so through Jesus God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep.
I Thessalonians 4:13-14 RSV
But we would not have you ignorant brethren, concerning those who are asleep, that you may not grieve
as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so through Jesus God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep.
I Thessalonians 4:13-14 RSV
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Of course, and that is why I prefer to say the Resurrection/Rapture. But this has nothing to so with the false doctrine of Soul Sleep. All the souls and spirits of the OT saints and those who have died in Christ are presently in Heaven and very much alive, not sleeping some dreamless sleep (Heb 12:22-24).
At the Resurrection/Rapture, these souls and spirits (saints) will accompany Christ and receive their immortal and glorious bodies (1 Cor 15). Immediately thereafter the saints who are alive on earth will also be transformed and glorified, and then all these saints will be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air, and so shall they ever be with the Lord (1 Thess 4).
At the Resurrection/Rapture, these souls and spirits (saints) will accompany Christ and receive their immortal and glorious bodies (1 Cor 15). Immediately thereafter the saints who are alive on earth will also be transformed and glorified, and then all these saints will be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air, and so shall they ever be with the Lord (1 Thess 4).
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I am not suggesting that the Soul Sleep doctrine is true. I am suggesting that those who insist on a two stage pre trib rapture give that impression because of the way they describe that rapture . Virtually ignoring this part of Paul's teaching by pushing the coming of the saints to some ''second coming'' which for those who can count is really a third one according to them.
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Hang on, what are you going to do with Mark Chapter 9? Jesus says-
" 43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Don't forget some of the prophecies of the judgement of the adversary are referring to his incarnation as the MAN of sin.
He will somehow possess (pardon the expression) a human. The Beast, man's number. The Antichrist.
As in Isaiah 14 Satan is being judged (" how you have fallen from heaven!") but he is referred to in his human form also in that chapter.
“Is this the man who shook the earth
and made kingdoms tremble."
So of course the human shell of the Antichrist beast will be reduced to ashes. Not so the spirit. I don't think it is possible for a spirit being to be burned to physical ashes.
" 43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Don't forget some of the prophecies of the judgement of the adversary are referring to his incarnation as the MAN of sin.
He will somehow possess (pardon the expression) a human. The Beast, man's number. The Antichrist.
As in Isaiah 14 Satan is being judged (" how you have fallen from heaven!") but he is referred to in his human form also in that chapter.
“Is this the man who shook the earth
and made kingdoms tremble."
So of course the human shell of the Antichrist beast will be reduced to ashes. Not so the spirit. I don't think it is possible for a spirit being to be burned to physical ashes.
Matthew 25:46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
That verse in blue above is actually a hyperlink! So what did Matthew mean by "eternal punishment?"