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Y'all going to have to provide me with scripture where Jesus gave anyone permission to be mean to others in any circumstance or where he said anything like we can be rude to others. Because really, if he did then I've never read it...
I mean seriously we don't have to agree with others... but we can't mistreat others either can we? I don't think Jesus has called any of us to go out name calling, or to beat the Gospel into anyone else's head.
I mean seriously we don't have to agree with others... but we can't mistreat others either can we? I don't think Jesus has called any of us to go out name calling, or to beat the Gospel into anyone else's head.
You like to make a distinction between a "little" sinning and "a lot" of sinning. If the Lord said telling a single lie will earn you a place in the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8) then there is actually no distinction. Either all of our sins, past. present, and future, are paid for by the atonement, or we must pay. And our payment, for even a single sin, is eternal damnation.
Jesus commanded us to "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind..." (Luke 10:27.
Do you do that every second of every day? If not, guess what, you are not doing as the Lord has commanded and you are sinning.
By your reasoning, you are thus not a believer and are destined for hell. See how illogical you are being?
Yep. According to your logic, Paul is condemning himself as one living in sin, and will not inherit the kingdom. Because he said those things are what he does - not did.
Again, our works only justify us before men, and have nothing to do with retaining salvation, or as proof we are saved.
Tell me, what is the Judgment Seat of Christ all about?
Ralph, you don't think it even slightly odd that when it comes to proof of salvation, we point to our faith in the finished work of Jesus on the cross, but you instead point to your works?
Does Matthew 7:22 give you pause at all?
Jesus commanded us to "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind..." (Luke 10:27.
Do you do that every second of every day? If not, guess what, you are not doing as the Lord has commanded and you are sinning.
By your reasoning, you are thus not a believer and are destined for hell. See how illogical you are being?
Yep. According to your logic, Paul is condemning himself as one living in sin, and will not inherit the kingdom. Because he said those things are what he does - not did.
Again, our works only justify us before men, and have nothing to do with retaining salvation, or as proof we are saved.
Tell me, what is the Judgment Seat of Christ all about?
Ralph, you don't think it even slightly odd that when it comes to proof of salvation, we point to our faith in the finished work of Jesus on the cross, but you instead point to your works?
Does Matthew 7:22 give you pause at all?
J
I feel I need to clarify what I mean by "nice",nice:not taking a stance so as to not hurt someone's feelings even when what one says is true,now we are to"love our neighbors as ourselves" but this doesn't mean that when push comes to shove that we are to "back down" when someone is "doing that which is wrong", or "promoting a view that is questionable",like in my case I believe we are saved by accepting Jesus as Saviour,some don't,now I of course will "care for any individual" but if "I witness something completely uncalled for" " I will speak up",if I "see a questionable doctrine" "I will stand against it with biblical truth".
That is a good one, please post it on the on my music thread, http://christianchat.com/christian-...nd-christian-music-blesses-your-heart-30.html
J
Will this thread ever peter out??
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mattithyah 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 17:30-31, “In the past [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]winked at such ignorance, but now He commands all men everywhere to repent! For He has appointed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness, by a Man whom He has ordained; and He has given evidence to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mattithyah 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 17:30-31, “In the past [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]winked at such ignorance, but now He commands all men everywhere to repent! For He has appointed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness, by a Man whom He has ordained; and He has given evidence to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”[/FONT]
Man's first attempt by his own works to cover his sin and get right....Adam and Eve sewing fig leaves together...discarded and rejected by God...God had to shed blood and COVER THEM HIMSELF TO MAKE THEM ACCEPTABLE in his sight!
Works do not save nor cover....faith in the blood is the only acceptable way!
Works do not save nor cover....faith in the blood is the only acceptable way!
Man's second attempt to offer his works....Cain offwring his own works....rejected and denied by God....Abel by faith offered BLOOD....God received it....man's works will not be accepted to make one right....it takes faith into the blood.....God said, "When I see the blood, I will pass over you!"
Cain is also identifed as a lost man and false teacher in Jude....as are all who push works for salvation or jistification before God!
Cain is also identifed as a lost man and false teacher in Jude....as are all who push works for salvation or jistification before God!
Abel offered his "works and faith" AS YHWH perscribed, Cain offered what he wanted to:
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 11:4, “By belief, Heḇel offered to Yah a greater sacrifice offering than Qayin, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, Yah witnessing of his gifts. And through it, having died, he still speaks.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:12, “Not as Qayin who was of the wicked one and killed his brother. And why did he kill him? Because his works were wicked but those of his brother were righteous.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Why did Yah accept Able's offering and not Cain's? I believe it is because when one have sincere faith they will serve as Yah wants, rather than serving Yah as they want;
Genesis 4 WEB
“1, The man knew Eve his wife. She conceived, and gave birth to Cain, and said, “I have gotten a man with Yahweh’s help.
2, "Again she gave birth, to Cain’s brother Abel. Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
3, "As time passed, it happened that Cain brought an offering to Yahweh from the fruit of the ground.
4, "Abel also brought some of the firstborn of his flock and of its fat. Yahweh respected Abel and his offering,
5, "but he didn’t respect Cain and his offering. Cain was very angry, and the expression on his face fell.
6, "Yahweh said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why has the expression of your face fallen?
7, "If you do well, will it not be lifted up? If you don’t do well, sin crouches at the door. Its desire is for you, but you are to rule over it.”
They both did works, and one's works were accepted one's works were not accepted. The heart that truly loves Yah will do as Yah says.
Genesis 4 WEB
3, "As time passed, it happened that Cain brought an offering to Yahweh from the fruit of the ground.
4, "Abel also brought some of the firstborn of his flock and of its fat. Yahweh respected Abel and his offering,
5, "but he didn’t respect Cain and his offering.
Cain offered "from the fruit of the ground"
Abel "also brought some of the firstborn of his flock and of its fat" the word also there means he brought "firstborn of his flock and of its fat" and "fruit of the ground"
Now this shows us that offering "fruit of the ground" was not in iteself wrong, so what could be the difference?
Hebrews 11:4, “By belief, Heḇel offered to Yah a greater sacrifice offering than Qayin, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, Yah witnessing of his gifts. And through it, having died, he still speaks.”
1 John 3:12, “Not as Qayin who was of the wicked one and killed his brother. And why did he kill him? Because his works were wicked but those of his brother were righteous.”
"By belief" and "works...of his brother (Abel) were righteous"
Why were they righteous? What is righteous?
Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 11:4, “By belief, Heḇel offered to Yah a greater sacrifice offering than Qayin, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, Yah witnessing of his gifts. And through it, having died, he still speaks.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:12, “Not as Qayin who was of the wicked one and killed his brother. And why did he kill him? Because his works were wicked but those of his brother were righteous.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Why did Yah accept Able's offering and not Cain's? I believe it is because when one have sincere faith they will serve as Yah wants, rather than serving Yah as they want;
Genesis 4 WEB
“1, The man knew Eve his wife. She conceived, and gave birth to Cain, and said, “I have gotten a man with Yahweh’s help.
2, "Again she gave birth, to Cain’s brother Abel. Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
3, "As time passed, it happened that Cain brought an offering to Yahweh from the fruit of the ground.
4, "Abel also brought some of the firstborn of his flock and of its fat. Yahweh respected Abel and his offering,
5, "but he didn’t respect Cain and his offering. Cain was very angry, and the expression on his face fell.
6, "Yahweh said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why has the expression of your face fallen?
7, "If you do well, will it not be lifted up? If you don’t do well, sin crouches at the door. Its desire is for you, but you are to rule over it.”
They both did works, and one's works were accepted one's works were not accepted. The heart that truly loves Yah will do as Yah says.
Genesis 4 WEB
3, "As time passed, it happened that Cain brought an offering to Yahweh from the fruit of the ground.
4, "Abel also brought some of the firstborn of his flock and of its fat. Yahweh respected Abel and his offering,
5, "but he didn’t respect Cain and his offering.
Cain offered "from the fruit of the ground"
Abel "also brought some of the firstborn of his flock and of its fat" the word also there means he brought "firstborn of his flock and of its fat" and "fruit of the ground"
Now this shows us that offering "fruit of the ground" was not in iteself wrong, so what could be the difference?
Hebrews 11:4, “By belief, Heḇel offered to Yah a greater sacrifice offering than Qayin, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, Yah witnessing of his gifts. And through it, having died, he still speaks.”
1 John 3:12, “Not as Qayin who was of the wicked one and killed his brother. And why did he kill him? Because his works were wicked but those of his brother were righteous.”
"By belief" and "works...of his brother (Abel) were righteous"
Why were they righteous? What is righteous?
Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”[/FONT]