A little confused

[Shamah]

Psalms 145:1-21,

1, "I exalt You, my Mighty Oneign; And bless Your Name forever and ever."

2, "All day long I bless You, And praise Your Name forever and ever."

3, "Great is יהוה, and greatly to be praised; And His greatness is unsearchable."

4, "Generation after generation praises Your works, And they declare Your mighty acts."

5, "I declare the esteemed splendor of Your excellency, And the matters of Your wondrous works."

6, "And they speak of the might of Your awesome acts, And I recount Your greatness."

7, "They send forth the remembrance of Your great goodness, And they sing of Your righteousness."

8, "יהוה shows favor and is compassionate, Patient and great in loving-commitment."

9, "יהוה is great to all, and He has compassion on all His works."

10, "All Your works give thanks to You, O יהוה, And Your lovingly-committed ones bless You."

11, "They speak of the esteem of Your reign, And talk of Your might,"

12, "To make known to the sons of men His mighty acts, And the esteemed splendor of His reign."

13, "Your reign is an everlasting reign, And Your rule is throughout all generations."

14, "יהוה is supporting all who are falling, And raising up all who are bowed down."

15, "The eyes of all look to You expectantly, And You are giving them their food in its season,"

16, "Opening Your hand and satisfying The desire of all that live."

17, "יהוה is righteous in all His ways, And lovingly-committed in all His works."

18, "יהוה is near to all who call upon Him, To all who call upon Him in truth."

19, "He does the desire of those who fear Him; And He hears their cry and saves them."

20, "יהוה preserves all those loving Him, But all the wrong ones He destroys."

21, "My mouth speaks the praise of יהוה, And let all flesh bless His set-apart Name, Forever and ever."

 

[JaumeJ]

Studying the Word with prayer and meditation leads a believer of Jesus Christ to the knowledge that any Gentile who believes is part of the Israel of God, a citizen of the Kingdom, a friend of the King, a fellow heir with the rest of Israel and so much more.

Any who claim to believe and try to separate the Israel of God from Gentile believers I fear are simply atisemetic. God, Himself, will bring down the New Jerusalem, our Capital.

God bless all who believe Jesus Christ and emulate Him in all manner, amen.

Hello everyone,

Why are their people who say God doesn't care about the gentiles? And we could never be saved because we're not Israelite. Someone then stated we are twisting scriptures around to make salvation for us? I have always understood it to be differently that Jesus came to save all?

 

[TrustingGod4life]

Studying the Word with prayer and meditation leads a believer of Jesus Christ to the knowledge that any Gentile who believes is part of the Israel of God, a citizen of the Kingdom, a friend of the King, a fellow heir with the rest of Israel and so much more.

Any who claim to believe and try to separate the Israel of God from Gentile believers I fear are simply atisemetic. God, Himself, will bring down the New Jerusalem, our Capital.

God bless all who believe Jesus Christ and emulate Him in all manner, amen.

amen I have always believed what the scriptures said

 

[TrustingGod4life]

Who is saying this?

A lot of people who are Christians, well were. They said because their is no salvation it's no point. I was shocked! They then pointed out scriptures

 

[TrustingGod4life]

Shouldn't you also say hello to nobody and someone too? My bad, I sure didn't want to forget anybody...



If you ask them, you will find out that they are those who also believe that they could have taught themselves how to read the written spoken word without any assistance from anyone else if they had to.



They are those who were learned to read by being taught by another person.



That would be one of us who were taught to read by the Holy Ghost. [See John 7:15]



It is written in John 4:22, "Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews."[/QUOTE

What was John saying?

 

[Shamah]

Revelation 7:4-10, “And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of all the tribes of the children of Yisra’yl: of the tribe of Yehuḏah twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Re’uḇĕn twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Gaḏ twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Ashĕr twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Menashsheh twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Shim‛on twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Lĕwi twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Yissasḵar twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Zeḇulun twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Yosĕph twelve thousand were sealed, of the tribe of Binyamin twelve thousand were sealed. After this I looked and saw a great crowd which no one was able to count, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes, and palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Deliverance belongs to our Elohim who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, New Yerusalem (YHWH Shammah), coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”

Ezekiyl 48:35, "The distance around the city will be eighteen thousand measures; and the name of the city from that day will be: YHWH SHAMMAH (YHWH Is There)."

Revelation 21:4-8 And YHWH will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away. And He Who sat upon the throne, said: Behold, I make all things new. And He said to me: Write, for these words are true and faithful. And He said to me: It is done! I am Aleph and Tau, the Beginning and the End. I will give to him who thirsts of the fountain of the water of life freely. He who overcomes will inherit all things; and I will be his Father, and he will be My son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and worshipers of false gods, and all liars, will have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Isaiah 60:20, “No longer does your sun go down, nor your moon withdraw itself, for יהוה shall be your everlasting light, and the days of your mourning shall be ended.”

Revelation 21:23, “And the city had no need of the sun, nor of the moon, to shine in it, for the esteem of Yah lightened it, and the Lamb is its lamp.”

Jeremiah 31:34, “And no longer shall they teach, each one his neighbor, and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know יהוה,’ for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares יהוה. “For I shall forgive their crookedness, and remember their sin no more.”

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

A lot of people who are Christians, well were. They said because their is no salvation it's no point. I was shocked! They then pointed out scriptures

Whoever they are, they are not telling you the truth. The Hebrew prophets foretold that there would be salvation for Gentiles.

Here is part of one such Messianic prophecy. This is fulfilled in Jesus.

Isaiah 49:6

“It is too small a thing for you to be my servant
to restore the tribes of Jacob
and bring back those of Israel I have kept.
I will also make you a light for the Gentiles,
that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.”

 

[Shamah]

What was John saying?

John 4:21-25, "4:21, "יהושע said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you shall neither on this mountain, nor in Yerushalayim, worship the Father."4:22, "“You worship what you do not know. We worship what we know, because the deliverance is of the Yehuḏim. "4:23, "“But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also does seek such to worship Him."4:24, "“YHWH is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship in spirit and truth.”"4:25, "The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming, the One who is called Anointed. When that One comes, He shall announce to us all.”

21 “the hour is coming when you shall neither on this mountain, nor in Yerushalayim”

Yahshua said this to the Samaritan woman (Gentile) because her people had Torah scrolls (1[SUP]st[/SUP] 5 books of the bible) but they had changed one the the Commandments to read “thou shall worship on Mt. Gerazim)

22, “You worship what you do not know. We worship what we know, because the deliverance is of the Yehuḏim.”

Hebrews/Jews were brought up in the word of YHWH, they were chosen originally to carry the truth to ALL the nations:

Acts 13:47-49, 47, "“For so the Master has commanded us, ‘I have set you to be a light to the nations, that you should be for deliverance to the ends of the earth.’ ” "13:48, "And when the nations heard this, they were glad and praised the Word of יהוה. And as many as had been appointed to everlasting life believed."13:49, "And the Word of יהוה was being spread throughout the entire country."

Isaiah 49:6-7, "49:6, "and He says, “Shall it be a small matter for You to be My Servant to raise up the tribes of Ya‛aqoḇ, and to bring back the preserved ones of Yisra’ĕl? And I shall give You as a light to the nations, to be My deliverance to the ends of the earth!”"49:7, "Thus said יהוה, the Redeemer of Yisra’ĕl, their Set-apart One, to the despised , to the loathed One of the nation, to the Servant of rulers, “Sovereigns shall see and arise, rulers also shall bow themselves, because of יהוה who is steadfast, the Set-apart One of Yisra’ĕl. And He has chosen You!”

While the vast majority of Israylites did not go this way, it was fulfilled in Yahshua/Jesus.

 

[TrustingGod4life]

John 4:21-25, "4:21, "יהושע said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you shall neither on this mountain, nor in Yerushalayim, worship the Father."4:22, "“You worship what you do not know. We worship what we know, because the deliverance is of the Yehuḏim. "4:23, "“But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also does seek such to worship Him."4:24, "“YHWH is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship in spirit and truth.”"4:25, "The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming, the One who is called Anointed. When that One comes, He shall announce to us all.”

21 “the hour is coming when you shall neither on this mountain, nor in Yerushalayim”

Yahshua said this to the Samaritan woman (Gentile) because her people had Torah scrolls (1[SUP]st[/SUP] 5 books of the bible) but they had changed one the the Commandments to read “thou shall worship on Mt. Gerazim)

22, “You worship what you do not know. We worship what we know, because the deliverance is of the Yehuḏim.”

Hebrews/Jews were brought up in the word of YHWH, they were chosen originally to carry the truth to ALL the nations:

Acts 13:47-49, 47, "“For so the Master has commanded us, ‘I have set you to be a light to the nations, that you should be for deliverance to the ends of the earth.’ ” "13:48, "And when the nations heard this, they were glad and praised the Word of יהוה. And as many as had been appointed to everlasting life believed."13:49, "And the Word of יהוה was being spread throughout the entire country."

Isaiah 49:6-7, "49:6, "and He says, “Shall it be a small matter for You to be My Servant to raise up the tribes of Ya‛aqoḇ, and to bring back the preserved ones of Yisra’ĕl? And I shall give You as a light to the nations, to be My deliverance to the ends of the earth!”"49:7, "Thus said יהוה, the Redeemer of Yisra’ĕl, their Set-apart One, to the despised , to the loathed One of the nation, to the Servant of rulers, “Sovereigns shall see and arise, rulers also shall bow themselves, because of יהוה who is steadfast, the Set-apart One of Yisra’ĕl. And He has chosen You!”

While the vast majority of Israylites did not go this way, it was fulfilled in Yahshua/Jesus.

Thank you for explaining. I pray God gives me wisdom and understanding to know and understand all of his Word

 

[TrustingGod4life]

Whoever they are, they are not telling you the truth. The Hebrew prophets foretold that there would be salvation for Gentiles.

Here is part of one such Messianic prophecy. This is fulfilled in Jesus.

Isaiah 49:6

“It is too small a thing for you to be my servant
to restore the tribes of Jacob
and bring back those of Israel I have kept.
I will also make you a light for the Gentiles,
that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.”

Thnk you, when I heard it I knew it was wrong. And was confused about why one would even say that

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

You were confused because you KNEW in your spirit that what these people were telling you is wrong.
You want to know the truth and that is good.
Don't worry, you did the right thing. You resisted losing all your faith because some were trying to confuse you.
No one can steal you from Jesus. Your salvation is certain if you believe and trust him. No one can change that.


Jesus said

John 10

27 "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish;no one will snatch them out of my hand.29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.30 I and the Father are one.”

 

[Zmouth]

What was John saying?

The same thing that is in your hand...

 

[TrustingGod4life]

You were confused because you KNEW in your spirit that what these people were telling you is wrong.
You want to know the truth and that is good.
Don't worry, you did the right thing. You resisted losing all your faith because some were trying to confuse you.
No one can steal you from Jesus. Your salvation is certain if you believe and trust him. No one can change that.


Jesus said

John 10

27 "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish;no one will snatch them out of my hand.29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.30 I and the Father are one.”

Praise God! Yes, worry strted to come up... but I read my scriptures and came here to talk to other believers.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Why are their people who say God doesn't care about the gentiles? And we could never be saved because we're not Israelite. Someone then stated we are twisting scriptures around to make salvation for us? I have always understood it to be differently that Jesus came to save all?

You understood correctly about the Lord Jesus Christ coming to save all. He is the Savior of the world. But there are many people who will misinterpret the Bible. So you should simply read and study the Word of God. While God chose Israel to be the nation through which the Scriptures would be preserved and through which Messiah (Christ) would come, God made full provision for the salvation of all human beings in and through Christ. But only those who obey the Gospel will be saved. Please note what Christ said about this matter:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:16-18).

 

[Willie-T]

A lot of people who are Christians, well were. They said because their is no salvation it's no point. I was shocked! They then pointed out scriptures

The truth of the Bible is not really in a person's ability to locate words that appear to reinforce their POV, It is in trusting that God is leading YOU... not THEM... in the way He intends for you to understand Him.

It is an absolute fact that a person can "prove" almost ANYTHING by deceptively selecting the appropriate Scriptures....... and ignoring the rest of the Bible.

 

[TrustingGod4life]

You understood correctly about the Lord Jesus Christ coming to save all. He is the Savior of the world. But there are many people who will misinterpret the Bible. So you should simply read and study the Word of God. While God chose Israel to be the nation through which the Scriptures would be preserved and through which Messiah (Christ) would come, God made full provision for the salvation of all human beings in and through Christ. But only those who obey the Gospel will be saved. Please note what Christ said about this matter:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:16-18).

Amen. I'm just going to stay in my Word.....

 

[TrustingGod4life]

The truth of the Bible is not really in a person's ability to locate words that appear to reinforce their POV, It is in trusting that God is leading YOU... not THEM... in the way He intends for you to understand Him.

It is an absolute fact that a person can "prove" almost ANYTHING by deceptively selecting the appropriate Scriptures....... and ignoring the rest of the Bible.

I really did t even realize that....

 

[Willie-T]

I really did t even realize that....

by Art Farstad

Many have heard the story of the man whose devotional reading consisted of cracking his Bible at random and reading the first verse his finger touched. One morning this was his verse for the day: "And Judas went out and hanged himself."
That can't be it, he thought. So he tried again. "Go thou and do likewise" was his second hit.

Chagrined, he thought,The third time is a charm! It wasn't. It read: "What thou doest, do quickly!"

 

[MarcR]

There is not Jew and Gentile once they follow YHWH, there are verses that can be isolated, but once a Gentile joins to YHWH they are His and considered an Israylite.

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”

Exodus 2:23-25, “And it came to be after these many days that the sovereign of Mitsrayim died. And the children of Yisra’yl groaned because of the slavery, and they cried out. And their cry came up to the Mighty One because of the slavery. And the Mighty One heard their groaning, and the Mighty One remembered His covenant with Aḇraham, with Yitsḥaq, and with Ya‛aqoḇ. And the Mighty One looked on the children of Yisra’yl, and the Mighty One knew!”

Galatians 3:27-29, “For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is not Yehuḏi nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah יהושע. And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise.”

It was like this from the beginning:

Numbers 15:15-16, “One law is for you of the assembly and for the stranger who sojourns with you – a law forever throughout your generations. As you are, so is the stranger before יהוה. One Torah and one right-ruling is for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you.”

Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”

there were even Gentiles wit hthe Hebrews when they let Egypt, and as shown above they were grafted in if they kept Passover, which is Messiah THE Passover Sacrifice.

Exodus 12:37-40, “And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children. 38, And a *mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle. 39, And they baked unleavened cakes of the dough which they brought forth out of Egypt, for it was not leavened; because they were thrust out of Egypt, and could not tarry, neither had they prepared for themselves any victual. 40, Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years.”

The words “*mixed multitude” are words:

H6154 - עֶרֶב עֵרֶב - ‛êreb ‛ereb, ay'-reb, eh'-reb, The second form used in 1 Kings 10:15 with the article prefixed); from H6148; the web (or transverse threads of cloth); also a mixture, (or mongrel race):—Arabia, mingled people, mixed (multitude)

There is not Jew and Gentile once they follow YHWH, there are verses that can be isolated, but once a Gentile joins to YHWH they are His and considered an Israylite.

Gal 3:26-28
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
KJV

If you take a good look at your wife or at a baby girl having her diaper changed; you will see that there is indeed still male and female!

All of the other ethnic distinctions are likewise still in place. The intent here is simply that God does not play favorites among His children based on ethnic or gender distinctions.

James made a very valid ethnic distiction when he ruled that the Gentiles were not obliged to keep the Law.

 

[Willie-T]

The truth of the Bible is not really in a person's ability to locate words that appear to reinforce their POV, It is in trusting that God is leading YOU... not THEM... in the way He intends for you to understand Him.

It is an absolute fact that a person can "prove" almost ANYTHING by deceptively selecting the appropriate Scriptures....... and ignoring the rest of the Bible.

I really did t even realize that....

In my CoC days, some professors did this kind of thing in front of the classes, just to demonstrate how easily it is done all the time. (Of course, every single one of us fully believes the way he or she has been told Scripture "really" reads, is the one and only CORRECT understanding.)