Gods elects

[trofimus]

That is quite true. The question is not whether God had predestined but what he has predestined. Regarding Israel, God did not predestined that every genetic Jew would be saved. What he predestined was that Messiah would come through the seed of Abraham. The fate of the individual is in the hand of the individual.

How could God predestine the lineage of Christ and in the same time leave the fate of individuals in randomness?

Example - God predestined that Christ will come from Abraham, Isaac, Jakob, David, Salomon... Josef, Mary. Therefore He also had to predestine their fate and fate of everything around them (parents, childbearing, deaths, places, times...).

If even the smallest thing in the universe is not certain, the overall outcome of creation, history, future etc. is random...

My point is, everything is in the hand of Creator.

 

[celib]

That is quite true. The question is not whether God had predestined but what he has predestined. Regarding Israel, God did not predestined that every genetic Jew would be saved. What he predestined was that Messiah would come through the seed of Abraham. The fate of the individual is in the hand of the individual.

I have to assume you give up, Where does it say God predestined every genetic Jew??? where do you learn all this nonsense? you say something that is not true and then you say how could that be. God bless

 

[celib]

??? What are you talking about?

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[preacher4truth]

I do apologize if anyone was offended at anything I have said. I do not regret the fact that I said it, I meant what I said. I am just sorry some found offense in it.

Yes, I know, you're still smug and unconcerned over your behavior. The above is worse than your initial remarks. I'm getting the full picture of what kind of person you are.

To be blunt myself, your gospel is truncated, censures God, and exalts man against him.

I can't hardly see how any person is being made fit for an appearance in his presence who holds to such disapproval of God and his ways as revealed in Scripture. It's a claim against the God one claims to know. It is a rejection of divine revelation due to one's disapproval thereof via one's own personal idea of what is fair. The clay telling the Potter how to be God. It's the Romans 9:20 mentality Paul spoke of, and quite frankly you're that man.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Just so we are clear on this, I was not attacking a group of people. I was challenging a doctrine which I believe to be in error.

I know you were not attacking them. But her response would tend to think otherwise.

I just thought it was ironic when her group does it it is ok, when anyone else does it it is a major event.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Now, now, no one got mad, that's your cup of tea. You're probably already mad, like right this moment already. Keep censuring God, bro.

See here we go they defend each other, and when someone calls them out all they know how to do it keep blasting away.

Sorry my friend. If you and yours want me to stop. Then stop doing what you always do.

 

[oldhermit]

I have to assume you give up, Where does it say God predestined every genetic Jew??? where do you learn all this nonsense? you say something that is not true and then you say how could that be. God bless

You need to read my post again. I did not say that he did.

 

[blue_ladybug]

What is this, romper room? Y'all need to grow up, IMHO... :/

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, we are a club now with buttons. Anyone can join though. N Am thinking of flags for our cars. My husband is a graphics designer. Will have a design soon.

Yep, we are groupies. We attackpeople who disagree with us.

Oh wait. But we do not, We disagree with each other on things, so that can not be it!!

 

[oldhermit]

How could God predestine the lineage of Christ and in the same time leave the fate of individuals in randomness?

Example - God predestined that Christ will come from Abraham, Isaac, Jakob, David, Salomon... Josef, Mary. Therefore He also had to predestine their fate and fate of everything around them (parents, childbearing, deaths, places, times...).

If even the smallest thing in the universe is not certain, the overall outcome of creation, history, future etc. is random...

My point is, everything is in the hand of Creator.

In response, let me simply refer you to my comments on What Is Romans 9 About?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

i am sort of new here...but i have not seen this poster attempt to address scripture at all???
Does he ever make a scriptural argument?
he asked if i was joking??? no..i was not joking...everyone posts what they think is truth...no one posts and says...I know this is not true, but i will post it anyway...so when N6 says...he or she is opinionated//// this is true for every poster, so why make such a statement...i think it is because very little scripture is available for them to offer.

You evidently have not read depleted posts. SHe is very opinionated, that is what she was called it. Thats WHy I asked if you were joking.

You people make me laugh

 

[eternally-gratefull]

below the belt shot. Go to your corner till the bell rings.

Its ok sis, He keeps proving me right every time he pulls that nonsense. They all say I have no scripture. WHeree is their scripture?

I am not mad. I am laughing my you know what off. It is historical at that they do.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Historically hysterical..

Its ok sis, He keeps proving me right every time he pulls that nonsense. They all say I have no scripture. WHeree is their scripture?

I am not mad. I am laughing my you know what off. It is historical at that they do.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How is wanting to study scripture pompous and arrogant????

Because if you do not agree with him, then you are pompous and arrogant, and as they love to say :You really need to study the word”

There is true bible believers in their view. And anyone who disagrees with them are not true bible believers (well for MOST of them, again, they are not all that way.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Here's the whole thing in a nutshell and why people get so emotional over this:

- One group is dead set on proving God chose or saved them because of something they did, like responding, or whatever, in total defiance and loathing of Biblical unconditional election. This is all contrary to 1 Corinthians 1:26-31 teaching and other Scriptures. Most believe they had inherent faith and voted themselves into heaven. This is contrary to 2 Peter 1:1, Ephesians 1:19.

- The other group is dead set to prove from Scripture that God did all the saving, from choosing whom he willed to save to glorification and everything else in between, based on his purpose and will, and based in absolutely nothing in man. It is Soli Deo Gloria. This truth is witnessed throughout Scripture and is not erased by John 3:16 and a slough of "whosoever" verses no matter how hard the others try to pit Scripture against Scripture.

The fight is summed up in this: One group believes they had something to do with their salvation and reason as to why God saved them, the other group gives all the glory to God. Battling for the former over the latter is absurd to put it lightly, it is Romans 9:20. But that is what they are doing, it's a belligerency to prove they had something to do with why God chose them, or more plainly, why they are saved.

See here is the first lie

He claims a group of people who believes in salvation by GRACE alone through FAITH ALONE via free will believes they had something to do with their salvation, and we are the reason God said us.

That is not true. But he can not own up to this FACT. Thus when someone tries to tell him this, or explain it to him, He gets upset.

He does not even understand the argument, how can he claim to know what the argument is if he does not even understand it.

It is HIS VIEW, he only wants to argue HIS VIEW.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What did God foreknow about those whom He elected?

Here is the root of the argument or one major one at least.


This is where the disagreement starts.

 

[BillG]

Jesus is greater than it all.

He knows who is and he will keep them.
We don't and we can't judge that.

That is why we should be like Jesus to those he has given us.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Historically hysterical..

Ipad strike again HA HA!!

 

[Speak2Me]

How could God predestine the lineage of Christ and in the same time leave the fate of individuals in randomness?

Example - God predestined that Christ will come from Abraham, Isaac, Jakob, David, Salomon... Josef, Mary. Therefore He also had to predestine their fate and fate of everything around them (parents, childbearing, deaths, places, times...).

If even the smallest thing in the universe is not certain, the overall outcome of creation, history, future etc. is random...

My point is, everything is in the hand of Creator.

He who "knows the end from the beginning" already knew in advance who would accept Christ. There's nothing about you he doesn't already foreknow.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I'm going to be totally honest with you here. Your "challenge" to discuss Scripture comes across as pompous arrogance because that's what it is.

I've read some of the things you've said in other threads, briefly, but hadn't witnessed this then. But right now, you're completely smug, prideful, conceited. You're proving over and again that you're of the Romans 9:20 mind set.

Why another personal attack? If you are NOT smug, prideful and conceited go ahead and provide an exposition of Romans 9 for all to see.