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posthuman

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yeah i was asking your opinion about a certain "detail" . . . ?

is Phillip talking absolute nonsense in John 6:7 ((if i take the KJV to be 100% literally perfect in every word)) or is he talking about a a hyperbolically large restaurant tab ((if i do some legwork to correct the KJV)) ?

two dollars ((as KJV has)) or more than ten thousand dollars?

it's a detail. what do you think? details not important here?

is this uncomfortable question?

rejoice then. you get to grow in knowledge of the truth! :)
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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There was one heaven until God divided it.
Now there are three.
Our immediate heaven is analagous to the higher that we may understand what we can't see.
So, we see waters on the earth, we see heaven where the birds fly and waters above it, then we see heaven where the stars are above those waters etc...

And waters can be metaphorically understood as words.



"God saw that the light was good,
and he separated the light from the darkness"

Isn't the Earth amazing the way daylight is diffused to make the whole sky appear pale blue?
It isn't so on all planets.
 

Dino246

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And many men using many means can express truth.
This is proven by noting the diversity of preachers serving God effectively. Notice the diversity of gospels.
So, I find that when God presents diverse quotes in his book there is a reason. One hearer velyd differently butb you'll you will find a truth or purpose in both.
And so, a diversity of translations is quite acceptable.

There was one heaven until God divided it.
Now there are three.
What is your evidence for this assertion? Where does it state that God divided one heaven into three?
 

Joseppi

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So you say, but until you step up and quote it, I will continue to consider your assertion baseless.

Try presenting your case completely in one post, as follows:

I assert "X" because of the following evidence: "[quoted passage or passages (with version(s)]" or "[quoted statements from others, with source(s)]". I think it's right (or wrong, as the case may be) because it does (or doesn't) line up with [quotation from Scripture]. Where your reference Scripture is from a specific translation of the Bible, please note that, so that your readers aren't confused as to your reasoning.
I will do as I think best. I use a phone and am not googling and cutting and pasting etc...
I expect you to step uo and read your own bible version and if you can't close inb as an example, on what the first chapter says about how God took one heaven and divided it, then maybe I'll try to clarify when I can.
 

Joseppi

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i think you missed the point whereby i only am able to understand this phrase in the KJV by working from the assumption that the KJV is inaccurate and ineffective at transmitting what John actually wrote here.

and you're neatly dodging the question: is two hundred pennies perfectly equivalent to the actual amount of money Phillip mentions or not?
I think you are being petty and are surprised it's so obvious you are being petty.
Where have you been?
What's the price of bread in England in 1837?
 

Dino246

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I will do as I think best. I use a phone and am not googling and cutting and pasting etc...
I expect you to step uo and read your own bible version and if you can't close inb as an example, on what the first chapter says about how God took one heaven and divided it, then maybe I'll try to clarify when I can.
This is called a burden-of-proof reversal. I have no obligation to disprove your assertions. It is your responsibility to support them.

While you're looking for your evidence, you might want to figure out how to dodge Psalm 8 as well:

O Lord, our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
 

Joseppi

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there's a big difference between not enough money to feed even a single person at a fast food dive and enough money to buy lunch for a couple thousand people.

is Phillip being just plain stupid and trollish, talking about pocket change, or is he being realistic, talking about a half a year's salary or more?

details.
dude, if you're going to say some translation is 100% perfect, it's in the details where this becomes important. you don't get to make a claim like that and then gloss over the details​.
You proved you understood what Phillip meant. Go back and read your posts.
How did you understand it but now I have to explain to you that the value of money and prices changes everyday abd that, therefore, its analagous to the inability to provide sufficient funds for food in any economy you choose in any genernation.
 

Joseppi

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yeah i was asking your opinion about a certain "detail" . . . ?

is Phillip talking absolute nonsense in John 6:7 ((if i take the KJV to be 100% literally perfect in every word)) or is he talking about a a hyperbolically large restaurant tab ((if i do some legwork to correct the KJV)) ?

two dollars ((as KJV has)) or more than ten thousand dollars?

it's a detail. what do you think? details not important here?
Sorry but, I'm not interested in a petty approach to scripture that is based on assumptions about what constitutes error to your way of thinking.
So when you post something more astute maybe I'll respond.
 

Joseppi

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"God saw that the light was good,
and he separated the light from the darkness"

Isn't the Earth amazing the way daylight is diffused to make the whole sky appear pale blue?
It isn't so on all planets.
Yes.
Andb true.
 
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it seems that if God actually were to speak from heaven audibly so that we all could hear Him and didn't use thees and thous, certain people would argue with Him and demand He use the King James

serious
 

Joseppi

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And so, a diversity of translations is quite acceptable.
Are they all true?
Its the truth that matters.
And thus, it is the contradictions that prove someone is lying, or both.
The phony bibles contradict themselves internally.



What is your evidence for this assertion? Where does it state that God divided one heaven into three?
The first heaven God created was singular. v.1
A firmament had to be created to form another heaven. v.8. (Heaven)
The stars and sun and moon were in the heaven of verse 17.
And birds flew in the heaven of verse 20.
 

Joseppi

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This is called a burden-of-proof reversal. I have no obligation to disprove your assertions. It is your responsibility to support them.

While you're looking for your evidence, you might want to figure out how to dodge Psalm 8 as well:

O Lord, our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.
2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.
3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
You do whatever.

I'm not sure what problem you are still having but I'm moving on.

Note that your verses show that there are two heavens below the one God's throne inhabits.
One is the Heaven where God's throne is.
Another is where the sun moon and stars are.
And the lowest is where birds fly.
 

Dino246

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Are they all true?
Its the truth that matters.
Following the logic of your post, to which I responded, a diversity of translations is acceptable. There is diversity in the gospel accounts, as you have stated. There is diversity in translations. It's exactly the same logic.

And thus, it is the contradictions that prove someone is lying, or both.
The phony bibles contradict themselves internally.
As does the KJV, as you are managing to prove.

The first heaven God created was singular. v.1

The Hebrew is plural in all four verses cited. You haven't addressed this yet.

A firmament had to be created to form another heaven. v.8. (Heaven)
The stars and sun and moon were in the heaven of verse 17.
And birds flew in the heaven of verse 20.
It doesn't say that God divided "heaven" as you claim. It only says that He divided the waters.
 

Dino246

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You do whatever.

I'm not sure what problem you are still having but I'm moving on.
Implying that I have a problem is another logical fallacy called an ad hominem attack. In order to divert attention off the shortcomings of your position, you throw shade at me, and in this case, avoid addressing my questions. Feel free to come back when you're prepared to defend your assertions. :)
 

Joseppi

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Following the logic of your post, to which I responded, a diversity of translations is acceptable. There is diversity in the gospel accounts, as you have stated. There is diversity in translations. It's exactly the same logic.
Nevertheless, they don't agree.
You do understand that diversity and nuance in speech doesn't equate to contradiction.

As does the KJV, as you are managing to prove.
Show me what you mean.
 

Dino246

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You do understand that diversity and nuance in speech doesn't equate to contradiction.
I'm glad you made this statement. Now, please, apply it to your belief that everything other than the KJV is "phony".
 

Joseppi

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Implying that I have a problem is another logical fallacy called an ad hominem attack. In order to divert attention off the shortcomings of your position, you throw shade at me, and in this case, avoid addressing my questions. Feel free to come back when you're prepared to defend your assertions. :)
No comment.
 
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