Tithes & Offering
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it combines tithes and offering priciple Ok, then that means first-fruits, a Levitical tithe, a Festival tithe, a Poor tithe, and offerings. How do tithing teachers/churches get just 10% out of that?
The N.T. makes references to the O.T. tithing system, which consisted of what I just mentioned above.
You mentioned reaping sparingly if you sow sparingly...that comes from 2 Cor 9. Just a bit later in the same chapter there are instructions on giving:
Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. -2 Cor 9:7.
Notice zero references to a tenth or tithe...or to any specific amount.
Giving, then, is between the believer and God, and the church/pastor should respect and appreciate the believer's obedience to whatever God tells him/her to give.
The N.T. makes references to the O.T. tithing system, which consisted of what I just mentioned above.
You mentioned reaping sparingly if you sow sparingly...that comes from 2 Cor 9. Just a bit later in the same chapter there are instructions on giving:
Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. -2 Cor 9:7.
Notice zero references to a tenth or tithe...or to any specific amount.
Giving, then, is between the believer and God, and the church/pastor should respect and appreciate the believer's obedience to whatever God tells him/her to give.
i believing in giving tithe and offering though it isn't that we are paying for our salvation or the word of God. God has given as a free will, we know what ought to be done in accordance to the scriptures it is upon us to either obey or dis-obey. The reason i give is because i know the secret of receiving is giving..
Proverbs 3
9 Honor the LORD with your wealth, with the firstfruits of all your crops;
10 then your barns will be filled to overflowing, and your vats will brim over with new wine.
plus, we do not only give money, or items.. we can also give our lives which is the most pleasing sacrifice to the Lord. if we completely have nothing to give in terms of wealth, we have a life which we ought to give towards the great commission of our Lord Jesus.
Proverbs 3
9 Honor the LORD with your wealth, with the firstfruits of all your crops;
10 then your barns will be filled to overflowing, and your vats will brim over with new wine.
plus, we do not only give money, or items.. we can also give our lives which is the most pleasing sacrifice to the Lord. if we completely have nothing to give in terms of wealth, we have a life which we ought to give towards the great commission of our Lord Jesus.
Well I guess Jesus would say
Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God
the things that our God's...
Giving and sharing to others in need or to support your
church is independent of any tax laws of the land.
I pay tax too, along with stamp duties, levies,
and 10% GST on most items.
But I still share. I still give to others. I still put some money
in the offerings bag. I still help out my adult children.
It is the right thing to do.
Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God
the things that our God's...
Giving and sharing to others in need or to support your
church is independent of any tax laws of the land.
I pay tax too, along with stamp duties, levies,
and 10% GST on most items.
But I still share. I still give to others. I still put some money
in the offerings bag. I still help out my adult children.
It is the right thing to do.
OK, but there is a difference between social systems in various countries. Sweden is different form Australia or USA,for example.
While your poor will end in the street and hungry and some church has to help them, in my country, state will take care of them, pays their living and hospital bills and thats why we have so high taxes. (Technically, its not a tax, its social and health insurance that is mandatory).
Also, our churches (at least some of them) receive payments from state.
So... instead of 10% I give lets say 40% on such things. It does not go to "Caesar" but to people.
While your poor will end in the street and hungry and some church has to help them, in my country, state will take care of them, pays their living and hospital bills and thats why we have so high taxes. (Technically, its not a tax, its social and health insurance that is mandatory).
Also, our churches (at least some of them) receive payments from state.
So... instead of 10% I give lets say 40% on such things. It does not go to "Caesar" but to people.
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ABRAM
Genesis 14: Abram gives 10% (vs 20) of the best of the war spoils he'd taken. To the Priest & King of Salem, Melchizedek.
Abram gives the best 10% """of the war spoils""" to Melchizedek. And the remaining 90% to Sodom & Gomorrah (vs 24).
Abram kept NOTHING for himself!
Abram doesn't give 10% of his personal items (EVER!): No cattle, no oil or wine & no corn or wheat.
His only tithe ever recorded was on the one time booty-war spoils. Taken from the Kings he conquered while retrieving his kidnapped nephew Lot.
Jesus' Spirit will not lead you to do something contrary to Scripture. Tithing is NOT a good starting point, because it puts you back under Law. Please read Galatians on that subject!
You may feel that giving ten percent of your income to your local church is good, and good on you for that, but it isn't biblical tithing.
So... tithing is not the principle in operation, but he should give ten percent on top of all the social taxes for the reason that he's giving to the Lord? That does not follow.
You may feel that giving ten percent of your income to your local church is good, and good on you for that, but it isn't biblical tithing.
So... tithing is not the principle in operation, but he should give ten percent on top of all the social taxes for the reason that he's giving to the Lord? That does not follow.
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Why are you arguing with me? Tithing is a good minimum to start with, and because we AREN'T under the law we should be giving more, not less, because we have a better covenant.
Yes, I'm fully aware of what biblical tithing is, and I don't follow that! In fact, it's impossible today to follow biblical tithing!
Yes, I'm fully aware of what biblical tithing is, and I don't follow that! In fact, it's impossible today to follow biblical tithing!
Why are you arguing at all?? Circumcision is a good minimum to start with and because we AREN'T under the law we should be giving more, not less, because we have a better covenant.
If you are truly aware of what biblical tithing is then you should not even use the concept or even the word. Give from your abundance since you know it is impossible to following biblical tithing.
If you are truly aware of what biblical tithing is then you should not even use the concept or even the word. Give from your abundance since you know it is impossible to following biblical tithing.
"tithe" means "tenth" and it was required of Israel under the Sinai covenant.
we are not under that covenant. any church telling you it is a "requirement" is ignoring that the epistles teach giving should be not under compulsion but as each purposes in their own heart. i'm suspicious of any church that even calls it "tithe" - maybe it's ignorance on their part, maybe it's calculated insertion of guilt and obligation into the flocks heads.
salvation is free
we are not under that covenant. any church telling you it is a "requirement" is ignoring that the epistles teach giving should be not under compulsion but as each purposes in their own heart. i'm suspicious of any church that even calls it "tithe" - maybe it's ignorance on their part, maybe it's calculated insertion of guilt and obligation into the flocks heads.
salvation is free
Bringing an offering to God is an act of worship. How that is applied is an act of good stewardship, for which the deacons in your church are primarily responsible. If your church is a church responsible to God, then when you worship you bring your offerings to the Lord, not to men.
And what you give to your government in taxes ("Cesar") has no bearing on this. However, if their taxes are exorbitant (which yours are) then you need to do something about not supporting such a government, and having it replaced by more responsible people. European governments have generally become totally irresponsible.
And what you give to your government in taxes ("Cesar") has no bearing on this. However, if their taxes are exorbitant (which yours are) then you need to do something about not supporting such a government, and having it replaced by more responsible people. European governments have generally become totally irresponsible.