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RgM

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There are many things in the bible I believe.
And there are many things in the bible I do not believe.

I came here to discuss them with you to see
how what I believe compares to what you believe.

This way I see if I am wrong in anything I believe.
 

oldhermit

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There are many things in the bible I believe.
And there are many things in the bible I do not believe.

I came here to discuss them with you to see
how what I believe compares to what you believe.

This way I see if I am wrong in anything I believe.
Sounds to me like you already have your mind made up and you only want to try to defend what you believe. You are not looking for discussion, you are looking for an argument.
 
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Gracie_14

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There are many things in the bible I believe. And there are many things in the bible I do not believe. I came here to discuss them with you to see how what I believe compares to what you believe. This way I see if I am wrong in anything I believe.
i don't understand.. what is there in the Bible not to believe?
 

RgM

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Sounds to me like you already have your mind made up and you only want to try to defend what you believe.
But yet I will discuss anything I believe or do not believe with you.
Do you expect me to defend that to which I do not believe?
 

oldhermit

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But yet I will discuss anything I believe or do not believe with you.
Do you expect me to defend that to which I do not believe?
You are just another troll who denies the deity of Christ and I am not doing to waste any time on you.
 

posthuman

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Sounds to me like you already have your mind made up and you only want to try to defend what you believe. You are not looking for discussion, you are looking for an argument.
If a person already knows there are things in the Bible they don't believe, they already have everything they need to know whether they are wrong about anything.

So there's really not a discussion to be had, is there? Not about the crux of that person's purpose.
 

RgM

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You are just another troll and I am not doing to waste any time on you.
Oh you have such a lovely meek spirit. I am sure God will hold you up as an example
of the Christ like man.
 

oldhermit

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If a person already knows there are things in the Bible they don't believe, they already have everything they need to know whether they are wrong about anything.

So there's really not a discussion to be had, is there? Not about the crux of that person's purpose.
Yea, this guy is nothing but a waste of time. I suspect he will not be with us long. It's best to simply ignore him.
 

notuptome

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To understand the scripture in question one must understand the background into which it is introduced.

The Jews were taught that God made provision to cover their sins through a vicarious sacrifice. In the temple the high priest sacrificed a lamb for the sins of the people. The sins of the people were deemed to be placed upon the innocent lamb and through the shedding of the lambs blood the penalty for sin was paid.

This is the imputation of sin and righteous that we see in 2 Cor 5:21. God is imputing our sin to Christ and Christ's righteousness to us. Christ was not guilty of our sin and we do not merit the righteousness of Christ.

Vicarious atonement is a well established principal in scripture and Jewish history. Sin requires the death penalty which Jesus took in our place. Jesus took our sin upon Himself that we might receive His righteousness.

Now you should start out with the position that you are wrong and need to come to God to be instructed in the truth.

For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

RgM

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Yea, this guy is nothing but a waste of time. I suspect he will not be with us long. It's best to simply ignore him.
Seriously you honor me before God with your opinion of me.
If you were to praise me I would consider it a curse.
 

RgM

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To understand the scripture in question one must understand the background into which it is introduced.

The Jews were taught that God made provision to cover their sins through a vicarious sacrifice. In the temple the high priest sacrificed a lamb for the sins of the people. The sins of the people were deemed to be placed upon the innocent lamb and through the shedding of the lambs blood the penalty for sin was paid.

This is the imputation of sin and righteous that we see in 2 Cor 5:21. God is imputing our sin to Christ and Christ's righteousness to us. Christ was not guilty of our sin and we do not merit the righteousness of Christ.

Vicarious atonement is a well established principal in scripture and Jewish history. Sin requires the death penalty which Jesus took in our place. Jesus took our sin upon Himself that we might receive His righteousness.

Now you should start out with the position that you are wrong and need to come to God to be instructed in the truth.

For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Confess to me that you believe that God made Jesus to be sin.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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There are many things in the bible I believe.
And there are many things in the bible I do not believe.

I came here to discuss them with you to see
how what I believe compares to what you believe.

This way I see if I am wrong in anything I believe.
what do you not believe in the bible?
 

RgM

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Feb 8, 2018
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i want to see if you still have questions

maybe i can help you
My question is what do you believe
and why do you believe it?

Do you believe that God made Jesus to be sin?
 

RgM

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what do you not believe in the bible?
Quote a verse and I will tell you if I believe it and why I do or do not.
Then we can discuss it. And see if you believe it or not and why or not.
 
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