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Another wonderful day under the sun..........thank God for eternal life through faith that Jesus sustains by his promises, power and work........

He that believes on the SON is having everlasting life.......and everlasting life does not mean temporal and belief = faith....

FAITH alone into the work of Christ is what saves a man....works do not save, keep saved, embellish salvation, finish off salvation, earn salvation, facilitate salvation....FAITH is what saves.......
 
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Another wonderful day under the sun..........thank God for eternal life through faith that Jesus sustains by his promises, power and work........

He that believes on the SON is having everlasting life.......and everlasting life does not mean temporal and belief = faith....

FAITH alone into the work of Christ is what saves a man....works do not save, keep saved, embellish salvation, finish off salvation, earn salvation, facilitate salvation....FAITH is what saves.......
Yes, it is. And i have my 'one piece of fruit' done.......1985, I think it was........so I can get back to my old life knowing I can never lose my eternal life. Yes, wonderful day it is under the sun.

Is this person saved or unsaved, decontroversal? Use scripture to back your answer up.
 
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Every thing I have said is right regardless of your religions blinders......or the rose colored glasses that you bought and wear 24/7

FAITH +- NOTHING = BIBLICAL salvation............

NO MAN can work, love, bear fruit UNLESS already PLACED into the VINE BY FAITH ALONE......why is that so hard for you to understand....

TELL you what....take a seed, any seed and set it on your counter....no water, no soil and see if it will produce fruit for you.............let us know how that goes.........
TELL ME IF ONCE IN THE VINE THROUGH FAITH DO YOU JUST SAY AND CLAIM YOUR FAITH AND VOILA YOU ARE SAVED REGARDLESS OF BEING BARREN AND WORTHLESS? GIVE ME A SCRIPTURE THAT PROVE THIS STANCE.
 
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TELL ME IF ONCE IN THE VINE THROUGH FAITH DO YOU JUST SAY AND CLAIM YOUR FAITH AND VOILA YOU ARE SAVED REGARDLESS OF BEING BARREN AND WORTHLESS? GIVE ME A SCRIPTURE THAT PROVE THIS STANCE.
Show me where I said I was barren and worthless......and have you ever grown a garden.....go figure that one out......
 
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Yes, it is. And i have my 'one piece of fruit' done.......1985, I think it was........so I can get back to my old life knowing I can never lose my eternal life. Yes, wonderful day it is under the sun.

Is this person saved or unsaved, decontroversal? Use scripture to back your answer up.
You can forget your hypothetical drivel.....never have implied the bolded above regardless of how many times you falsely accuse.....

saved is saved......faith is what saves a man...and after salvation if one walks disobedient they are WHIPPED....GOD does not whip FAITHFUL SONS, but rather UNFAITHFUL REBELLIOUS SONS.....

but of course your religion does not allow you to embrace the bolded truth above
 
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Good to see the working for sharks and their false accusations this morning....at least they have another day to actually trust JESUS instead of their working for false dogma....

JESUS saves by faith and he saves eternally.....

Trust him and get over yourselves.........nothing you can do merits salvation and nothing you do can keep that which is eternally given by faith into the work of Christ
 
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Yes, it is. And i have my 'one piece of fruit' done.......1985, I think it was........so I can get back to my old life knowing I can never lose my eternal life. Yes, wonderful day it is under the sun.

Is this person saved or unsaved, decontroversal? Use scripture to back your answer up.
You can forget your hypothetical drivel.....never have implied the bolded above regardless of how many times you falsely accuse.....
How is only have 'one piece of fruit' not still being in your old life?

But we already know your answer to my question.

FAITH that saves eternally will produce fruit/works....even if but one piece!
You're saying it doesn't matter how you live after you get saved, even if all you have is one piece of fruit. You can't evade this by saying you mean purposely vs. not purposely living in your old life. Living in your old life is living in your old life no matter how you slice it.

The person who is unchanged is unsaved. John said the person who practices sin is not born again (1 John 3:8). This is to be contrasted with saved people who still sin (1 John 2:1). There is a distinct difference.

Just the fact that you try to quantify fruitful works shows you do not know about walking in the Spirit. Walking in the Spirit is a change of character, not a list of times you did right. Changed/ changing people are saved people. Unchanged/ unchanging people are not saved.
 
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saved is saved......faith is what saves a man...and after salvation if one walks disobedient they are WHIPPED....GOD does not whip FAITHFUL SONS, but rather UNFAITHFUL REBELLIOUS SONS.....

but of course your religion does not allow you to embrace the bolded truth above
I bet I know this truth better than you. I can't get away with anything. For years I wondered why I'm always sitting at the proverbial piano practicing my scales as punishment for doing wrong while so many of my so-called brothers and sisters in the Lord do not get punished for theirs. They live high on the hog in their over indulgent, worldly, sensual lives. Now I know why they get away with living in sin and I can't. They do not really belong to the Lord. I was very naive for most of my Christian life. I just assumed that if someone is willing to say they are a Christian, say all the right things, say they believe the right things, and go to a real church, even get involved in ministry that they must really be saved. I know now that's not even remotely true.

The true church is very small in number. But that is what Christ told us anyway. He did not preach mega-church theology.
 
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a. ALL have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of GOD.
There is not a just man upon the earth that does good and sins not.
He that is without sin cast the first stone.
If we say that we have no sin we are deceived and the truth is not in us

b. YES.....IT IS NOT that we loved God, but that he LOVED us and gave himself for us........NO MAN can LOVE GOD unless
born from above by FAITH alone. AND loving GOD is a process of GROWTH and MATURITY which COMES AFTER SALVATION
by FAITH ALONE +- ANYTHING

c. NOT ALWAYS......we ALL fail at times....ONLY ONE kept the LAW...JESUS......refer to POINT "A" and exactly why we need
THE imputed righteousness of CHRIST BY FAITH ALONE WHICH SAVES A MAN.....

NOW>>>>YOUR TURN

Originally Posted by dcontroversal
Yeah....not quite what the bible sates....why is it so hard for you guys to answer 3 simple questions............


Answer the FOLLOWING EASY questions....

HOW does one get placed INTO the VINE?

WHAT WORK places one into the VINE?

HE that BELIEVES in the SON and CONFESSES this BELIEF is ____________ <-WHAT?

WHAT 1 word goes with the bolded ONE right above this question
WHO ARE YOU TRYING TO FOOL HERE? I SAID YOU HAVE TO ANSWER WITH A YES OR NO BEFORE SUPPORTING IT WITH SCRIPTURES. NOW DO YOU EXPECT PEOPLE TO TRUST YOU AND YOUR DECEIPTFUL "WALKING DEAD" DRIVEL WHEN YOU INTENTIONALLY REFUSE TO ANSWER A SIMPLE QUESTION WITH A YES OR NO. CAN YOU BE MAN ENOUGH WITH HONOR AND DIGNITY ESP. AS A MARINE OFFICER STAND YOUR GROUND AND ANSWER MY QUESTIONS WITH A YES OR NO OR ADMIT YOUR MISTAKE AS A SIGN OF YOUR HUMILITY AND TRUTHFULNESS?
 
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WHO ARE YOU TRYING TO FOOL HERE? I SAID YOU HAVE TO ANSWER WITH A YES OR NO BEFORE SUPPORTING IT WITH SCRIPTURES. NOW DO YOU EXPECT PEOPLE TO TRUST YOU AND YOUR DECEIPTFUL "WALKING DEAD" DRIVEL WHEN YOU INTENTIONALLY REFUSE TO ANSWER A SIMPLE QUESTION WITH A YES OR NO. CAN YOU BE MAN ENOUGH WITH HONOR AND DIGNITY ESP. AS A MARINE OFFICER STAND YOUR GROUND AND ANSWER MY QUESTIONS WITH A YES OR NO OR ADMIT YOUR MISTAKE AS A SIGN OF YOUR HUMILITY AND TRUTHFULNESS?
This is what I was thinking also when he wouldn't answer my question.
 
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Tell me where I am wrong. My point as expressed by Jesus is good works proves true faith and bad works proves bad faith. The question then is what faith are you talking about? Works shows which.
Your wrong in your assumptions.

DC, Myself and all the people you are arguing with BELIEVE what you just said.

Yet you keep lieing about them saying they do not believe it, then defend yourself when people point it out to you.


 
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Red herring issue.
Red Herring?

Wow man, You have issues.

I ask again,

Which is worse

A false teacher who comes in as religious and does all these religious works and appears clean on the outside (the people NNM were talking about)

or the false teacher who has no fruit (the people you talk about)

Are they not both as evil as the other?

Come on man, You can answer, I know you have it in you!
 

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STILL NO ONE HAS DISCERNED WHY ELAMOR EXPOSED THE COMMON BEHAVIOUR IN THIS THREAD.

AS I SEE IT, HE SACRIFICED HIMSELF TO SEE WHAT WILL THE REACTIONS BE IF HE WILL DO THAT TO SOMEONE WHO DOES THE SAME THING AND I REALIZED GOD DID SOMETHING TO REVEAL A MESSAGE TO THOSE WHO ARE SEEKING THE TRUTH.

PRIOR TO ELAMOR’S POST HE MENTIONED THAT THOSE WHO REJECT THE LAW ARE THE ANTICHRIST (PARAPHRASED) SINCE THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS TESTIFIED/PROPHESIED ABOUT THE LORD AS COMING IN THE FLESH.

WE ALL KNOW THAT EVERY ORGANIZATIONS OR GROUPS FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES AND REGULATIONS AND HERE IN CHRISTIAN CHAT WE ALSO ADHERE TO THEM OR WE GET BANNED.

I ASKED MYSELF WHY THESE SELF PROFESSED CHRISTIANS WITH SOME EVEN CLAIMING TO BE PREACHERS ARE OBEYING MAN MADE RULES TO THE POINT OF MOCKING AND CONDEMNING THE PERSON WHO VIOLATED SUCH RULES, YET REJECTS GOD’S LAWS AND COMMANDMENTS BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT OBEDIENCE IS A WORK THAT CANNOT SAVE THEM AND WHATEVER DISOBEDIENCE THEY MAY DO WON’T AFFECT THEIR SALVATION BECAUSE “ONCE SAVED IS ALWAYS SAVED".

1 John 4:1-6 Test the Spirits Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

John 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.”

Hebrews 5:7-9 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, HE LEARNED OBEDIENCE from what he suffered and, once MADE PERFECT, he became the source of ETERNAL SALVATION for all who OBEY him

James 2:22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was MADE COMPLETE by what he did.
 
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True faith. True faith is proven by Works. ​Something that you choose to ignore!!!
Thats a lie my friend, Stop your lies about other people. Your about to join some others in my ignore bin!
 

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No matter how anyone slices and dices it, neither way would have "earned" entrance into the kingdom....

a. Going about to establish their own righteousness by their traditions <----NOPE
b. Going about to establish righteousness by law keeping<---NOPE


Abraham believed GOD and it was put to his account for righteousness and PAUL concluded that Abraham was justified by faith without works.......

Only one thing under the sun that opens the door into the Kingdom....faith into the one, true living way....JESUS and for those in the O.T. faith into the coming messiah........the 1st promise being found in Genesis 3:15
Your preaching that I have nothing to do with my Christian Walk is popular to be sure. I mean, what a God right. Just say His name and presto, no more responsibility for our actions. Your Jesus does it all. "come as you are". And if you try and study as instructed, and obey as instructed, you are actually disqualifying yourself from His Kingdom. I can see why so many people would reject God's Salvation plan and be tricked into following yours. But I'm going to stick with the Word of God, unpopular as this is with Mainstream Christianity.

Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.


1 Cor. 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Matt. 10:11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.

37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.


1 Thess. 212 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.

1 Tim. 5:22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.

I know your preaching Decon. It is widespread to be sure and follow by billions in one form or another. But your religion forces me to choose between the words and teaching of men and their worldly accepted religion with their Great High Days and universally known image of the Christian God, and the Word's of the God of Abraham who became a man to show me the narrow Path to eternal life. Although it places me in the minority, I have chosen God's word over your Mainstream Religious doctrines and traditions.

No offence!


As for Abraham, he didn't have the Levitical "Law of Works", Levi wasn't even born yet. How could he be justified by the Levitical Laws of justification? But he did have God's Laws.

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Had Abraham done as the Pharisees and rejected God's Instructions and created his own, would he be included in the Hebrews Faith Chapter? In fact, had any of those in Heb. 11, created their own Laws and rejected God's as did the Pharisees, they wouldn't be included in the Faith Chapter.

Abraham believed in God enough to follow His instructions. That is why God said He blessed him. That is the Faith of Abraham.

I am not going to throw all this truth away so I can be part of a huge religious social club.

God's Word means something Decon. Not just the few scriptures you use to defend your religious traditions, but ALL of His Words.
 
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Just biding time till we hit 55.....because I....CAN'T DRIVE......Fifty fiiiiiiiiiiive!.....(being random, sorry) lol
I changed the words to that song years ago to I CANT DRIVE 65!
 
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You choose to ignore my Biblical point so begone with you. Try real dialog for a change.
And your a liar. Who needs to repent. You are gone. Your in ignore. Until you repent. I am sick of people like you who think they are God. And can judge others when they are WRONG about what the other is saying.
 
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B...,

Not scriptural.

Repented status...can be lost.

If eternal life can be lost, it is not eternal. And God is a liar. And gave us a broken item in the name of grace, which was no grace at all. Which means God can not be trusted.