GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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PS

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Go to the main page of the bible discussion forum (or whatever forum)

in the upper left, there should be a button that says
start new thread

let me know if that doesn't work
This is what I have

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MarcR

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Will someone please tell me how to start a new thread. Thanks.
Hit the chat rooms and forums button at the top of any page. theh hit the start new thread button.
 

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Hit the chat rooms and forums button at the top of any page. theh hit the start new thread button.
It says start a new thread, but nothing happens.

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Do I need to download flash chat?
 

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I don't know what I did, but the box suddenly popped up. Thanks everyone.
 
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Quite true.

However, the whole truth is that we are not commanded to keep any day. Neither the seventh day nor the first day is commanded. We are not commanded NOT to keep the seventh day either. If we believe that the [seventh day] Sabbath should be kept we are at liberty to keep it as our conscience directs. The important thing thing to realize is that neither our salvation nor our relationship with God (Father, Son, or Spirit) depends on keeping or not keeping the Sabbath.
Your statement above has NO truth in it whatsoever. Where are your scriptures?

It seems God's WORD disagrees with you. Let's see why...God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing SIN (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement(Hebrews 10:26-27)

GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT


Origin....

Genesis 2
1,
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2, And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
3, And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and made it HOLY <the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4th Commandment of the 10 that gives a KNOWLEDGE OF SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS (Romans 3:20; Ps 119:172)

Exodus 20
8, Remember the
SABBATH DAY , to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day; He knew his professed people would forget it)
9, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God : in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY : wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT


Breaking God's 4th Commandment is SIN just like breaking ANY of the 10 Commandments. SIN will keep ALL who practice it out of God's KINGDOM.

What does Jesus say?....

Mark 2
27,
And he said unto them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the Sabbath.

The Sabbath was made for WHO? The Sabbath was made for MAN. So here we have the God of creation telling us why the 7th Day was made a Holy day. It was made for MANKIND

Matthew 12
8,
For the Son of man IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY.

The SABBATH DAY = the "LORDS DAY"

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath with both Jews and Gentiles (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11). If we break ANY one of the 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God in SIN (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20)

If we KNOWINGLY break any of God's 10 Commandments we stang guitly before God in SIN

James 2
8,
If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well:
9, But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.
12, So speak you, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

links to........

Hebrews 10
26,
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Applied to the TARES growing with the WHEAT, these are those hav ing a FORM OF GODLINESS DENYING GOD'S POWER FOR SALVATION FROM SIN. (Matt 13:30; 2 Tim 3:5; 1 John 2:3-4).

links to........

Matthew 7
21,
Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; BUT HE THAT DOETH THE WILL OF MY FARTHERS WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.
22,
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?
23, And then will I profess to them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPARTH FROM ME YOU WHO WORK SIN (Iniquity)

HOW DO WE KNOW WE KNOW GOD?

1 John 2
3,
And HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
4, HE THAT SAYS, I KNOW HIM, AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

WHO ARE GOD'S SAINTS?

Revelation 14
12,
HERE IS THE PATIENCE OF THE SAINTS:
here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND THE FAITH OF JESUS.

SIN will keep ALL those who CONTINUE to KNOWINGLY PRACTICE IT OUT of GOD'S KINGDOM.

MarcR, it seems God's WORD disagrees with you.

...................

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 
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MarcR

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Your statement above has NO truth in it whatsoever. Where are your scriptures?

It seems God's WORD disagrees with you. Let's see why...God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing SIN (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement(Hebrews 10:26-27)

GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT


Origin....

Genesis 2
1,
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2, And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
3, And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and made it HOLY <the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4th Commandment of the 10 that gives a KNOWLEDGE OF SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS (Romans 3:20; Ps 119:172)

Exodus 20
8, Remember the
SABBATH DAY , to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day; He knew his professed people would forget it)
9, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God : in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY : wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT


Breaking God's 4th Commandment is SIN just like breaking ANY of the 10 Commandments. SIN will keep ALL who practice it out of God's KINGDOM.

What does Jesus say?....

Mark 2
27,
And he said unto them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the Sabbath.

The Sabbath was made for WHO? The Sabbath was made for MAN. So here we have the God of creation telling us why the 7th Day was made a Holy day. It was made for MANKIND

Matthew 12
8,
For the Son of man IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY.

The SABBATH DAY = the "LORDS DAY"

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath with both Jews and Gentiles (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11). If we break ANY one of the 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God in SIN (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20)

If we KNOWINGLY break any of God's 10 Commandments we stang guitly before God in SIN

James 2
8,
If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well:
9, But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.
12, So speak you, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

links to........

Hebrews 10
26,
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Applied to the TARES growing with the WHEAT, these are those hav ing a FORM OF GODLINESS DENYING GOD'S POWER FOR SALVATION FROM SIN. (Matt 13:30; 2 Tim 3:5; 1 John 2:3-4).

links to........

Matthew 7
21,
Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; BUT HE THAT DOETH THE WILL OF MY FARTHERS WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.
22,
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?
23, And then will I profess to them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPARTH FROM ME YOU WHO WORK SIN (Iniquity)

HOW DO WE KNOW WE KNOW GOD?

1 John 2
3,
And HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
4, HE THAT SAYS, I KNOW HIM, AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

WHO ARE GOD'S SAINTS?

Revelation 14
12,
HERE IS THE PATIENCE OF THE SAINTS:
here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND THE FAITH OF JESUS.

SIN will keep ALL those who CONTINUE to KNOWINGLY PRACTICE IT OUT of GOD'S KINGDOM.

MarcR, it seems God's WORD disagrees with you.

...................

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
Acts 15:24-29
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
KJV

Note that no mention of Sabbath keeping is included.



Rom 14:4-6
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
KJV


Col 2:16-17
6 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
KJV

I am sure that you will attempt to explain these away because they don't fit your doctrinal brainwashing; but they can't be explained away; and your teaching is wrong.

Your saying that something (whether a statement of mine or anything else) is untrue does NOT make it untrue.
You don't have that authority.
 
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Hello MarcR,

You said........

Originally Posted by MarcR

Quite true.

However, the whole truth is that we are not commanded to keep any day. Neither the seventh day nor the first day is commanded. We are not commanded NOT to keep the seventh day either. If we believe that the [seventh day] Sabbath should be kept we are at liberty to keep it as our conscience directs. The important thing thing to realize is that neither our salvation nor our relationship with God (Father, Son, or Spirit) depends on keeping or not keeping the Sabbath.
I responded to your statement above with SCRIPTURE SHOWING that we are commanded to keep the GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT; SEVENTH DAY SABBATH, AS A HOLY DAY AND BREAKING IT IS SIN and that THOSE WHO PRACTICE KNOWN SIN WILL NOT ENTER God's KINGDOM.....

Originally Posted by LoveGodForever


Your statement above has NO truth in it whatsoever. Where are your scriptures?

It seems God's WORD disagrees with you. Let's see why...God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing SIN (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement(Hebrews 10:26-27)

GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT


Origin....

Genesis 2
1,
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2, And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
3, And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and made it HOLY <the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4th Commandment of the 10 that gives a KNOWLEDGE OF SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS (Romans 3:20; Ps 119:172)

Exodus 20
8, Remember the
SABBATH DAY , to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day; He knew his professed people would forget it)
9, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God : in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY : wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT


Breaking God's 4th Commandment is SIN just like breaking ANY of the 10 Commandments. SIN will keep ALL who practice it out of God's KINGDOM.

What does Jesus say?....

Mark 2
27,
And he said unto them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the Sabbath.

The Sabbath was made for WHO? The Sabbath was made for MAN. So here we have the God of creation telling us why the 7th Day was made a Holy day. It was made for MANKIND

Matthew 12
8,
For the Son of man IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY.

The SABBATH DAY = the "LORDS DAY"

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath with both Jews and Gentiles (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11). If we break ANY one of the 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God in SIN (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20)

If we KNOWINGLY break any of God's 10 Commandments we stang guitly before God in SIN

James 2
8,
If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well:
9, But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.
12, So speak you, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

links to........

Hebrews 10
26,
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Applied to the TARES growing with the WHEAT, these are those hav ing a FORM OF GODLINESS DENYING GOD'S POWER FOR SALVATION FROM SIN. (Matt 13:30; 2 Tim 3:5; 1 John 2:3-4).

links to........

Matthew 7
21,
Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; BUT HE THAT DOETH THE WILL OF MY FARTHERS WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.
22,
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?
23, And then will I profess to them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPARTH FROM ME YOU WHO WORK SIN (Iniquity)

HOW DO WE KNOW WE KNOW GOD?

1 John 2
3,
And HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
4, HE THAT SAYS, I KNOW HIM, AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

WHO ARE GOD'S SAINTS?

Revelation 14
12,
HERE IS THE PATIENCE OF THE SAINTS:
here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND THE FAITH OF JESUS.

SIN will keep ALL those who CONTINUE to KNOWINGLY PRACTICE IT OUT of GOD'S KINGDOM.

MarcR, it seems God's WORD disagrees with you.

...................

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
Now, MarcR, you have ignored all the scripture sent you that disagrees with your statement that you quoted above saying the God's 4th Commandment is not a commandment.

Then you try and use Acts 15 to say Gentiles no longer have to follow God's 10 Commandments when Acts 15 is talking about the Mosiac laws in relation to CIRCUMCISION? Romas 14 in relation to food and fasting connected to days, Col 2:16-17 which is talking about the annual Jewish Feast day (which is the OP then you have not addressed)

NOW PLEASE tell us WHERE in ANY of the scripture you have provided DOES IT SAY IT IS TALKING ABOUT GOD's 4th Commandment Sabbath?

Where does ANY of those scripture say that God's 4th Commandment have been ABOLISHED and we are now COMMANDED to KEEP SUNDAY or ANYDAY as a HOLY DAY?

Acts 15:24-29
I am sure that you will attempt to explain these away because they don't fit your doctrinal brainwashing; but they can't be explained away; and your teaching is wrong. Your saying that something (whether a statement of mine or anything else) is untrue does NOT make it untrue. You don't have that authority.
It is NOT me explaining away your INTERPRETATION of the scriptures. I do not NEED to do this. God's WORD does this as it is presented. There is nothing hidden that shall NOT be revealed. Take heed therefore that the light which is in you be not darkness. For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Where does it say in those scriptures you presented that God's 4th Commandment is ABOLISHED and we are commanded to keep any day as a Holy day? The simple fact is none of them even mention the Sabbath or say any such thing.

Do you KNOW the scriptures MarcR?

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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we continue to knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 
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Hello MarcR,

You said........



I responded to your statement above with SCRIPTURE SHOWING that we are commanded to keep the GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT; SEVENTH DAY SABBATH, AS A HOLY DAY AND BREAKING IT IS SIN and that THOSE WHO PRACTICE KNOWN SIN WILL NOT ENTER God's KINGDOM.....



Now, MarcR, you have ignored all the scripture sent you that disagrees with your statement that you quoted above saying the God's 4th Commandment is not a commandment.

Then you try and use Acts 15 to say Gentiles no longer have to follow God's 10 Commandments when Acts 15 is talking about the Mosiac laws in relation to CIRCUMCISION? Romas 14 in relation to food and fasting connected to days, Col 2:16-17 which is talking about the annual Jewish Feast day (which is the OP then you have not addressed)

NOW PLEASE tell us WHERE in ANY of the scripture you have provided DOES IT SAY IT IS TALKING ABOUT GOD's 4th Commandment Sabbath?

Where does ANY of those scripture say that God's 4th Commandment have been ABOLISHED and we are now COMMANDED to KEEP SUNDAY or ANYDAY as a HOLY DAY?



It is NOT me explaining away your INTERPRETATION of the scriptures. I do not NEED to do this. God's WORD does this as it is presented. There is nothing hidden that shall NOT be revealed. Take heed therefore that the light which is in you be not darkness. For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Where does it say in those scriptures you presented that God's 4th Commandment is ABOLISHED and we are commanded to keep any day as a Holy day? The simple fact is none of them even mention the Sabbath or say any such thing.

Do you KNOW the scriptures MarcR?

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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we continue to knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
something i haven't seen revelation about is whether the first part of John 8 is part of the scriptures
 

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yes, fulfilled

the law creates a debt
is the debt paid?

then the law is good for learning wisdom about God and his ways

but nothing else.
The law is not a debt if followed in faith. If we did not have the law there would be no need for grace.
Jesus fullfild the command not to murder right? So it’s ok to murder.... no ofcurse not. We still follow don’t murder right? See what I amm saying? .
so same applys for the sabbath it’s not done way with and forgotten like u make it seem.
We can still keep the sabbath in Remembrance creation by the faith in knowing Lord not only saved us but loved us after the fall.
 

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Seeing as God created the heavens and the earth, I believe every day is His day, and I worship him continually.

If you wish to reduce it to 24 hours, then I believe you are doing God a disservice.
i know what you mean yes we should worship everyday! Praise God. But God also put a side a Holy day only devoted to him. He gives the other five days to take care of daily needs but the Sabbath day is Holy. Not off Distracted by work unless someones ox is in the ditch. Not distracted by cooking only serving food that was Prepare the day befor . Keeping fellow ship with others at the same time.

PS there is no way to praise him better than by his “word”about any subject praying, gifts, and the sabbath too.
 
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Those practicing sin will not be saved on the day of Judgement….

The scripture says it is only those that hear and believe God’s Word that receive everlasting life and are not condemned and have passed from death to life. It is God’s Word not mine that says……

Psalms 1:5

Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

Psalms 9:8
And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness.

Ecclesiastes 12:14
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Matthew 12:36,
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

John 9:39,
And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind

Act 17:31,
Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Romans 2:5,
But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

Romans 2:6,
Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

2 Corinthians 5:10,

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

2 Corinthians 5:11,
Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Hebrews 9:27,
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Hebrews 10:26,
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Hebrews 10:27,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

James 2:12,
So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

James 2:13,
For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

2 Peter 2:9
The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

2 Peter 3:7
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But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.


Jude 1:14-15,
Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him

Revelation 14:7 Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Daniel 7:10

A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Revelations 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Psalms 119:172,
My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are “righteousness”.

Hebrew meaning righteousness צדק tsedeq tseh'-dek From H6663; the right (natural, moral or legal) morally and legally right; righteous צדּיק tsaddı̂yq tsad-deek' From H6663; just: - just, lawful, righteous (man).

Greek meaning righteousness δικαιοσύνηdikaiosunēdik-ah-yos-oo'-nay From G1342; equity (of character or act); specifically (Christian) justification: - righteousness.
righteous δίκαιος dikaios dik'-ah-yos From G1349; equitable (right doing in character or act); by implication innocent, holy (absolutely or relatively): - just, meet, right (-eous)

So from God’s Word we have the definition of righteousness. God says the definition of “righteousness” according to His Word is his 10 commandments The Hebrew and Greek meaning of righteousness is to be morally and legally right; lawful character of act, innocent and holy (right doing).

Psalms 119:142,
Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

Psalms 9:8
And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness.

Act 17:31
Because he hath appointed a day, in which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

James 2:10-12
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak, ye and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Ecc 12:13-14
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

1 Peter 4:17,
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?


So yep according to God’s Word there will be a judgement for all mankind and we will be judged according to God’s Word.

He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. (John 12:48)

 

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Quite true.

However, the whole truth is that we are not commanded to keep any day. Neither the seventh day nor the first day is commanded.
That is not true. Jesus through GOD said,
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
(Mat 5:18-19 KJV)

Then mentions Thou Shalt not Kill and thou Shall not commit adultery from the Ten Commandments and then a few other Statutes from the Book of the Law.

So your teaching that since the Commandments, have no other gods before ME, Idol worship, stealing, bestiality;etc are not mentioned we no longer need be concerned with them?
 

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Acts 15:24-29
...29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
KJV

Note that no mention of Sabbath keeping is included.
No mention of any of the Ten Commandments. To assert any of them is to assume. These are all from the Book of the Law. The Ten Commandments are not in question here. According to the context of the chapter Circumcision and the Book of the Law are.

But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. For (because) Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
(Act 15:20-21)


A few things should be noted from the above text. First and foremost, the new converts are being commanded to abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

These Laws are Dietary health and Moral laws from the Book of the Law (Moses).

Second thing to note is verse 21 starts with the word "for". This word means that what comes after it is the reason for what was previously stated.

In other words let's not over burden them they will get what they need, because Moses (the Book of the Law) is read every Sabbath Day in the synagogues where and when they meet.

If any thing these verses prove they were meeting on and therefore keeping the Sabbath and that some of the Laws from the Book of the Law are still part of a Christian's life through the indwelling Christ.


Rom 14:4-6
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
KJV
No mention of the Sabbath Day here. Don't assume what is not there.

Col 2:16-17
6 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
KJV
Verse 14 reads the handwriting to the ordinances that were against us; not the handwriting of ordinances. The Decalogue is of the Ordinances, not the handwriting to the ordinances. The Ordinances are the Decalogue and the Commandments and Statutes contained in the Book of the Law that pertained to righteousness. These are they which let us know what sin is. These Were not against us. The Judgements and Statutes that related to when we sin are.

And having spoiled (stripping off) principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Through Christ there is no need for the principalities and powers; the handwriting to the ordinances contained in the Book of the Law that were mandated due to our sinning because through Jesus we do not need them. They condemned us due to our sinning. We now have victory over sin through Christ. And if we do sin we have an Advocate (Helper) toward the Father; Jesus Christ!

The Ten Commandments are not against us only the statutes and judgement in the Book of the Law in relation to when we sin were.

Take this Book of the Law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

(Deu 31:26 KJV)

Mind you it was the judgements that were against us not those Laws to which showed us our sin. Colossians needs to be understood correctly. Ordinances would be any Law contained there in that dealt with our Spiritual and physical well being. Not all that Moses penned was against us. Not all was judgements (cursing)

For GOD has said, I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
(Deu 30:19-20 KJV)

Blessings and cursings were contained in the Book of the Law. Obviously the blessings are not against us only the cursings in relation to when we sin are.