Top 5 reasons why people leave

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Johnny_B

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What would you say if I told you that after I walked away from God (For 2-3 years) I joined in with many ex-Christians online and atheists, and non believers. That I found that their testimonies and reasons for leaving Christianity were very good reasons.

Here are the top reasons people leave Christianity

Number 1. Christians
Number 2. Biblical inconsistencies
Number 3. Hell theology
Number 4. Lack of miracles
Number 5. Gods character

Of course there are many other reasons people leave their beliefs, but lets stick to these 5.

In my entire history with Christianity and the church, I have never heard any plausible reasoning in defense of these problems Christianity faces today. Oh there are so called answers, but they fall totally flat under careful scrutiny.

So how does one give a reasoned and sound answer to these things that make people leave God.

Those five reason are non-sense and here is why people leave I John 2:19-20
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.20 But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge.

Point being everying that names the name of Chitst is not His, you must continue if the faith, if not as stated above those that leave it is because they are not of the us (the faith) as it says in Colossians1:21-23
And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds,22 he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him,23 if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.

If you do not continue you were never part of the faith.

 
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valleyofdecision

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God said he would never leave nor forsake us, And that he would never let us go, and no one can snatch us from his fathers hand.

Do you believe that you pleased God when you walked away from him for 5 years and lived in your flesh and were guided by your carnal mind?
 
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Ariel82

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you are wrong . bread means bread. food for the body. daily bread is food period.. that is one way man lives, without bread, he dies or without food he dies.
The night before Jesus was crucified, Jesus took the cup of wine and said this is my blood shed for you....he took the bread and broke it and said thanks,my body broken for you. When you drink of this cup and eat I'm this bread, do it in remembrance of me.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Do you believe that you pleased God when you walked away from him for 5 years and lived in your flesh and were guided by your carnal mind?
No, I believe I grieved my father, And I know it, because God chastened me often, in fact his chastening is what brought me back. His children can not walk away from him, nor run from him, where are they going to hide that he is not there? (I think there is an OT passage which speaks on this)
 
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Ariel82

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well if my lovely sister ariel still disagrees

id rather keep my hair free of popcorn and let you take this one

hahaha
:D


unlessssss

she wants to see my great wall of text

ive been dying to post it again:rolleyes:
What am I disagreeing with?

What wall of text? Are you holding out on me Mcgee?

I make the distinction between two types of children too...those born to the wife who are Free and those who are illegitimate and still in bondage.....however folks don't want to hear it or talk about the two covenants....they would just falsely accuse God of being unfair.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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What am I disagreeing with?

What wall of text? Are you holding out on me Mcgee?

I make the distinction between two types of children too...those born to the wife who are Free and those who are illegitimate and still in bondage.....however folks don't want to hear it or talk about the two covenants....they would just falsely accuse God of being unfair.
i dunno if you disagree
:eek:
i meant

that there is a difference between being born again

and a proclaimed believer

and i believe if God places and new heart in you
youd never be snatched away by that evil stranger
 
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NoNameMcgee

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as for the great wall of text


be careful what you wish for


some say it doesnt have a bottom

:rolleyes:


(just a series of verses i put together about how we are saved by grace through faith on account of the imputed righteousness of Jesus and not of ourself... then why some who have had knowledge of God may fall away but if you are born again He will finish what He started in you aka eternal security to His children)
 
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What would you say if I told you that after I walked away from God (For 2-3 years) I joined in with many ex-Christians online and atheists, and non believers. That I found that their testimonies and reasons for leaving Christianity were very good reasons.

Here are the top reasons people leave Christianity

Number 1. Christians
Number 2. Biblical inconsistencies
Number 3. Hell theology
Number 4. Lack of miracles
Number 5. Gods character

Of course there are many other reasons people leave their beliefs, but lets stick to these 5.

In my entire history with Christianity and the church, I have never heard any plausible reasoning in defense of these problems Christianity faces today. Oh there are so called answers, but they fall totally flat under careful scrutiny.

So how does one give a reasoned and sound answer to these things that make people leave God.
Those are EXCUSES not reasons.
 
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Ariel82

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i dunno if you disagree
:eek:
i meant

that there is a difference between being born again

and a proclaimed believer

and i believe if God places and new heart in you
youd never be snatched away by that evil stranger
I think even born again children can be kidnapped, but not because they wanted the candy. Often it's because the strangers abuse them and beat lies into their heads.

They beat them and quote scriptures as justification.

Satan quoted scripture when he tempted Jesus in the desert.

So do Satan's ministers...I heard of a story of a man who sexually abused his daughter and quoted verses like this one:

Colossians 3:20
Children, be obedient to your parents in all things, for this is well-pleasing to the Lord.

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So there is more to others stories if we take the time to listen and pray.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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I think even born again children can be kidnapped, but not because they wanted the candy. Often it's because the strangers abuse them and beat lies into their heads.

They beat them and quote scriptures as justification.

Satan quoted scripture when he tempted Jesus in the desert.

So do Satan's ministers...I heard of a story of a man who sexually abused his daughter and quoted verses like this one:

Colossians 3:20
Children, be obedient to your parents in all things, for this is well-pleasing to the Lord.

****

So there is more to others stories if we take the time to listen and pray.
that doesnt sound like a man who had a new heart placed in him does it ariel?
 
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It is imperative that Believers show compassion for all people. Many Believers has placed their standard on others by assuming their light has went out. We must understand justification is based on faith alone and not what we do.

Question? In the parable of the
Prodigal Son did the son every stop being the fathers son? No


Did the father ever stop looking for his son? No


There is no other scripture in the bible that shows God the Father
running towards his son!


 
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Ariel82

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that doesnt sound like a man who had a new heart placed in him does it ariel?
Definitely not but I know a few folks who would rip his heart out for him...but that wouldn't be very Christ like..or would it?

Pouring hot coals on someone's head doesn't sound all that pleasant either...Jesus even tells us how to do that...gives a new perspective of the saying "killing them with kindness"

But yeah the point was the little girl might be a child of God but with lots of issues that needs love, truth and kindness....not condemnation if she cries out in anger and pain.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Definitely not but I know a few folks who would rip his heart out for him...but that wouldn't be very Christ like..or would it?

Pouring hot coals on someone's head doesn't sound all that pleasant either...Jesus even tells us how to do that...gives a new perspective of the saying "killing them with kindness"

But yeah the point was the little girl might be a child of God but with lots of issues that needs love, truth and kindness....not condemnation if she cries out in anger and pain.
ohhhhhhhhh sorry

ya i agree 100% with that

i didnt read all the posts

that poor thing should be treated with gentle hands
 
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1 John 2:19 tells me all I need to know on why they left.
 
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finaldesire

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Nope. When God does good to us, it feels great.

This world sucks! Pain sucks! Bad backs suck! Death sucks! Debt sucks! Rape sucks! Addiction sucks! Alzheimer sucks! Kidnapped sucks! Cancer sucks! Hep C sucks! Heart attacks suck! The government sucks!

But God feels great, and does good for me.
I believe that my ideas a subject to a process of evolution, and can change. Yes, into the flames goes all my previous understanding.
 

Blain

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I understand the reasoning they have for leaving Christianity it it isn't because they were never born again or because they were to weak or that the enemy had fooled them into abandoning Christ. I noticed that Christians are labeled number one on the list of five reasons and for good reason.Did you know that world doesn't hate us because of who and what we stand for rather they hate us because of what we claim to stand for and yet show anything but that? Christians are not known for being love, they are not known for being a light upon the world nor are they known for anything that we claim to stand for. We are known as judgmental hypocritical fake unloving bible thumpers and for good reason too. The world is actually a very good mirror for the face of the church we who call ourselves love, we who claim to be ones who through Christ show kindness patience hope and undying love and kindness are actually the main reason for athiests, no one likes a phony.

It's easy to claim to be a Christian, but there is a vast difference between a Christian by heart and a Christian by title. True the world follows a life of corruption and sin and they do not have the mark of Christ but if they cannot even look to those who go by the title Christian then how much better off are we? The average Christian does not inspire confidence in the hearts of man because we have forgotten what it really means to be a Christian and what love really is, I mean I am friends with plenty of athiests and they all once were Christians and the main reason they stopped believing was people who claimed to be Christian but wore a facade.

Many will teach and preach doing so in the name of truth and of correction but fail to see how they do these things in condemnation and are actually looking down on sinners not helping them. A sinner doesn't need to be reminded they are sinners they need to know that even though they are sinners they are just as precious and matter just as much as a child of God. Jesus would have done what he did a thousand times over for the sake of one lost child no matter how far gone they were and no matter how much of a sinner they were, they could have had the most evil darkest hearts and the most bloodstained soul and yet he would have done that a thousand times over just for that one lost soul because he sees something deep inside worth going that far for,That is the eyes of love and that is what real love is.

I think that is the love that is lacking and I think that is the exact kind of love we should seek everyday because this world only knows love how the human heart knows and even the deepest love in this world is lacking and will in some way fail them but the kind of love that comes from his heart alone is alien it's not normal and just bizarre and that is why it shocks people so much and why it impacts them so greatly. We live in a time where true goodness is rarely known and where love is merely a word thrown around or is a mushy emotion or feeling which is exactly why his love is needed so badly.
 

Zmouth

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I believe that my ideas a subject to a process of evolution, and can change. Yes, into the flames goes all my previous understanding.
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Rom 12:2

And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: Eph 4:23-25

And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:Col 3:10
 

JaumeJ

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All reasons are due to a lack of longsuffering , patience and faith.

We do not enter into the forums expecting anyone at all to be "with us" or agree with us, rather to share what we are graced to share for the glory of Yahweh, God.

It does not matter if others do not have faith, let alone our approach given by Jesus. What matters is a willingness and drive to continue sharing what we believe to be eternal treasure in Jesus Christ.