Joel Osteen book "Your Best Life Now"
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The pattern is that his haters are always hating on the guy. Lakewood was in no condition to take in storm victims until the water receded enough for their staff members to get there. If you know anything about Lakewood (which I highly doubt based on the ignorance you've shown so far) you know that they have a reputation for helping out in times of disaster, going back forty years when they became a megachurch. They took in victims of Tropical Storm Allison in 2001, and Joel took the lead in relocating victims of Katrina even though it didn't hit his city. Houston got three feet of rain in three days, and the main road leading to Lakewood (HWY 59) was under water for a couple of days.
How stupid do you have to be to think that Lakewood was unaffected and Joel was just being a jerk in not taking in storm victims? As soon as it was safe to open the church, they did what the city requested and functioned as a distribution center. Why don't you try objectivity and critical thinking instead of just parroting the ignorant hate rap that your ilk have been spouting?
How stupid do you have to be to think that Lakewood was unaffected and Joel was just being a jerk in not taking in storm victims? As soon as it was safe to open the church, they did what the city requested and functioned as a distribution center. Why don't you try objectivity and critical thinking instead of just parroting the ignorant hate rap that your ilk have been spouting?
And this is another good post with picture. I don't know how to post pictures like this so it's very much appreciated. I do not believe the main stream media and I must admit the way they reported about Lakewood church sounded bad. But than I was instantly brought back to the truth that the world is not a friend of the believer. They are lost in confusion and that is how they report most of the time.
Our society in America is ever changing for the worse as our freedoms are being attacked again. The news media will not present believers or the truth in a good light. Any wrong doing on our part will be brought out and they will not be kind.
But even when we or those who stand for what is right are condemned, they have only had to be accused and there is enough momentum for the worlds condemnation. So I as a Christian am learning not to add to the confusion by listening to and repeating the lies of the devil who holds the world confusion.. 1 John 5:19
[SUP]18 [/SUP]We know [absolutely] that anyone born of God does not [deliberately and knowingly] practice committing sin, but the One Who was begotten of God carefully watches over and protects him [Christ’s divine presence within him preserves him against the evil], and the wicked one does not lay hold (get a grip) on him or touch [him].
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19 [/SUP]We know [positively] that we are of God, and the whole world [around us] is under the power of the evil one.
Thanks for posting that Budman. As to the answer to your question, since JM has been called out on all the other false teachers she has been promoting here such as Prince, Ellis, et al, she has decided to be even more provocative and thumb her nose at Christians on CC by now trying to promote this fraud Joel Osteen.
In fact I believe she is simply enjoying herself as Christians object to her posts and then she re-posts and re-posts her previous posts and causes more aggravation. It's like kids who want attention and therefore indulge in disruptive behavior. What they're looking for is a good smack on the rear end. So these threads are definitely not for edification but for provocation (and she hopes misdirection towards those who do not know the Scripture).
In fact I believe she is simply enjoying herself as Christians object to her posts and then she re-posts and re-posts her previous posts and causes more aggravation. It's like kids who want attention and therefore indulge in disruptive behavior. What they're looking for is a good smack on the rear end. So these threads are definitely not for edification but for provocation (and she hopes misdirection towards those who do not know the Scripture).
This is the problem, they do not present what the word of God says in plain words, but they attempt to take parts here and there and mix them with their own opinion to create some standard to "un-save" others, while they themselves do not keep the standard they would teach and lay upon others. This is not "loving others as yourself," this is loving yourself and allowing mercy for yourself, while attempting to condemn others by a standard they do not keep."
If you read his view about healing and wealth and positiv thinking. Do you find this really in the teachings from Paul, Peter, John ore Jesus? One promise Jesus gave to his followers: you will be persecutet! I will encourage you to make a study about persecution in the N T. In the first 300 years christians never could preach such teachings. They had to suffer and to die for their believe. No life in health and prosper! Is the truth different to them and to us?
I would not trust any man who will tell me an differrent Gospel then was preached from the apostles. Osteen is mixing truth and own thoughts ( ore others) and this makes him so dangerous. If I read that 20 000 000 people are listening his messages each day, I ask me to were is he leading them.
I would not trust any man who will tell me an differrent Gospel then was preached from the apostles. Osteen is mixing truth and own thoughts ( ore others) and this makes him so dangerous. If I read that 20 000 000 people are listening his messages each day, I ask me to were is he leading them.
Yeah, you can say that things were different for the early church, but then what they experienced was different from what Israel experienced when they took possession of the Promised Land, and what the apostles experienced was different from what Solomon experienced. Does that mean that either Solomon or the apostles were infidels, or could it mean that there are different realities for believers at different periods in world history? I mean, if we follow your logic all of us are following a different gospel because we're not being martyred. By the way, persecution has nothing to do with sickness. A saint can be persecuted and still live in health. There is no question that God blessed Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, or that He blessed Job, or that He prospered Solomon to the point that the Queen of Sheba was overwhelmed. So how do you reconcile that with the "poverty gospel"?
In the NT, -and we are no jews, which had the promiss disobidience will lead to curse and obidience lead to blessings- is no promiss that we live in health and wealth and it was also not taught. And it is not my logic. Its a fact. If the gospel which Osteen preaches would be the same as we find in the bible we would find it there, but we do not!
Job lived to be 210. His trial lasted about a year, according to the Jewish Encyclopedia. That means that 209 of his 210 years he enjoyed health and prosperity. In fact, Satan's whole point of contention was that Job only served God because God blessed him, so there's no denying that God did in fact bless His servant Job for 99.5% of his life.
So during that year, why did God give permission to Satan to buffet Job? We know what Satan's purpose was, but what was Gods purpose in granting permission?
All that is not of faith/trust is sin. Jobs friends accused him of sin as the cause of all that was going on in Jobs life, which is what others do in here. They say a man is sick because of sin (lack of faith.)
Yet God said jobs friends had not spoken correctly to say this.
So here you have Job (Angela), being told her sicknesses are the result of her sin (whatever is not of faith/trust is sin). Why would God say to Jobs friends that they didn't speak right or correctly, yet approve of those in here who say the same thing?
All that is not of faith/trust is sin. Jobs friends accused him of sin as the cause of all that was going on in Jobs life, which is what others do in here. They say a man is sick because of sin (lack of faith.)
Yet God said jobs friends had not spoken correctly to say this.
So here you have Job (Angela), being told her sicknesses are the result of her sin (whatever is not of faith/trust is sin). Why would God say to Jobs friends that they didn't speak right or correctly, yet approve of those in here who say the same thing?
Amen! Stick to speaking the truth in love! Read Luke 6:20-26: prosperity doctrine????
[SUP]Luke 6;20-26[/SUP]And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
[SUP]Luke 6;20-26[/SUP]And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.[SUP]23 [/SUP]Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.[SUP]24 [/SUP]But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.[SUP]25 [/SUP]Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.[SUP]26 [/SUP]Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
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Poverty gospel?
Here is the issue, Who teaches a poverty Gospel? No one I ever heard does this.
The issue is the health and wealth (God wants to heal everyone and give them wealth) Vs god wants to heal some, based on his purpose. And for some reason. Does not allow others to be healed. And promises NO One welath. But there are many in his kingdom who do happen to be blessed by wealth.
We are to look at our spiritual health and wealth. Praise God when he heals people. Praise God when he chooses to allow illness run its course (we all die) Praise God when we have wealth, and use it for Gods purposes. Not for SELF gratification. And praise God when he decides not to bless us with wealth, and use what we have to serve God anyway.
Here is the issue, Who teaches a poverty Gospel? No one I ever heard does this.
The issue is the health and wealth (God wants to heal everyone and give them wealth) Vs god wants to heal some, based on his purpose. And for some reason. Does not allow others to be healed. And promises NO One welath. But there are many in his kingdom who do happen to be blessed by wealth.
We are to look at our spiritual health and wealth. Praise God when he heals people. Praise God when he chooses to allow illness run its course (we all die) Praise God when we have wealth, and use it for Gods purposes. Not for SELF gratification. And praise God when he decides not to bless us with wealth, and use what we have to serve God anyway.
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Wow.
You ever lose everything you ever had? I am sure Job did not think losing his wife, all his children and all he had was just a minor occurrence.
Job is not the poster boy of what all Christians will look like (wealth wise, he should be our guide spiritually however, wow what great faith) Non of the disciples were rich, Paul had wealth, but we see deep in his ministry he had to be supported by churches, even to the point he had to work so as not to be charged with only doing this for money, The christian church we are told sold ALL they had and gave of their excess to the church and to help each other
You ever lose everything you ever had? I am sure Job did not think losing his wife, all his children and all he had was just a minor occurrence.
Job is not the poster boy of what all Christians will look like (wealth wise, he should be our guide spiritually however, wow what great faith) Non of the disciples were rich, Paul had wealth, but we see deep in his ministry he had to be supported by churches, even to the point he had to work so as not to be charged with only doing this for money, The christian church we are told sold ALL they had and gave of their excess to the church and to help each other