KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES
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Unsubstantiated nonsense and bearing false witness.
Yes, "beware," which is why I knew your above to be unsubstantiated nonsense and drivel.
No person can understand God's intent or meaning, no matter their age, so your above is a pipe dream and frankly not only unbiblical, but a pure denial of 1 Corinthians 2:14.
See above. Maybe you'll see it...
Yes, "beware," which is why I knew your above to be unsubstantiated nonsense and drivel.
No person can understand God's intent or meaning, no matter their age, so your above is a pipe dream and frankly not only unbiblical, but a pure denial of 1 Corinthians 2:14.
See above. Maybe you'll see it...
You are saying God's ppl, those He has blessed to translate various translations into English, so that we can read it, are doing this with an agenda. Best not to insult God's ppl.
For you to not foolishly slam God's ppl. That's what is needed.
Dr. William Mounce, Dr. James White, and many other wonderful Christians are on translating committees, and they are not driven to do that which you foolishly accuse them of doing. Shame on you.
For you to not foolishly slam God's ppl. That's what is needed.
Dr. William Mounce, Dr. James White, and many other wonderful Christians are on translating committees, and they are not driven to do that which you foolishly accuse them of doing. Shame on you.
You want to increase the difficulty level. I'll go along with that.
NIV "Is. 5:22 Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine
and champions at mixing drinks."
KJV "Is. 5:22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:"
In the KJV, this means---Woe unto the powerful men of the land who depart from God to follow their own doctrine, and the men of great authority who err exceedingly from the paths of righteousness to follow their own ways.
In the NIV, this means---a bunch of guys at a bar having a good time.
NIV "Is. 5:22 Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine
and champions at mixing drinks."
KJV "Is. 5:22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:"
In the KJV, this means---Woe unto the powerful men of the land who depart from God to follow their own doctrine, and the men of great authority who err exceedingly from the paths of righteousness to follow their own ways.
In the NIV, this means---a bunch of guys at a bar having a good time.
Now wait a minute . . . or wait an hour if it takes you that long to listen . . .
So I see how you interpreted it . . . and your interpretations are biased and absolutely off base: I could just as well turn the interpretations around and say this:
NIV "Is. 5:22 Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine
and champions at mixing drinks."
KJV "Is. 5:22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink
and champions at mixing drinks."
KJV "Is. 5:22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink
So I see how you interpreted it . . . and your interpretations are biased and absolutely off base: I could just as well turn the interpretations around and say this:
In the NIV, this means---Woe unto the powerful men of the land who depart from God to follow their own doctrine, and the men of great authority who err exceedingly from the paths of righteousness to follow their own ways.
In the KJV, this means---a bunch of guys at a bar having a good time.
But turning it around makes no more sense than the way you had it!
You take the NIV words "heroes" and "champions" literally as if the NIV condones it. But you take the KJV words "mighty" and "strength" exactly the way they should be taken: as condemning drunkenness.
Sorry, but such off base interpretation simply shows that your position against the NIV holds no basis in sound interpretation
In the KJV, this means---a bunch of guys at a bar having a good time.
But turning it around makes no more sense than the way you had it!
You take the NIV words "heroes" and "champions" literally as if the NIV condones it. But you take the KJV words "mighty" and "strength" exactly the way they should be taken: as condemning drunkenness.
Sorry, but such off base interpretation simply shows that your position against the NIV holds no basis in sound interpretation
Originally Posted by John146
The main subject of the Bible is the kingdom which God intends to give to His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, Who will be crowned "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS," according to Revelation 19:16. Ecclesiastes 8:4 says, "Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?" Unlike the modern versions, the KJV was translated under a king. In fact, the king's name was "James," which is the English word for "Jacob," whom God renamed "Israel," because he had power with God and with men (Gen. 32:28).
The new versions have been translated in America, which is not a monarchy. God's form of government is a theocratic monarchy, not a democracy. Therefore, it makes perfect sense that His word would be translated for the English speaking people under a monarchy with an English king.
The main subject of the Bible is the kingdom which God intends to give to His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, Who will be crowned "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS," according to Revelation 19:16. Ecclesiastes 8:4 says, "Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?" Unlike the modern versions, the KJV was translated under a king. In fact, the king's name was "James," which is the English word for "Jacob," whom God renamed "Israel," because he had power with God and with men (Gen. 32:28).
The new versions have been translated in America, which is not a monarchy. God's form of government is a theocratic monarchy, not a democracy. Therefore, it makes perfect sense that His word would be translated for the English speaking people under a monarchy with an English king.
The above is KJVO gone to seed and into nuttiness. I mean further into nuttiness. 
Absolutely! I could not really believe my eyes when I read such nuttiness posed as Biblical truth!
That section of Isaiah 5 is a list of woes pronounced upon all Israel berating the leaders and the common people for turning away from God. The KJV could be read as a criticism of powerful men who drink (and with v.23) and corrupt justice. However, that is also the case with the NIV. What you wrote as a summary of the verse cannot be drawn from that verse in isolation.
Your criticism of the NIV in this case doesn't stand up to examination. You took one NIV verse out of context, and compared it with the KJV verse in context. That's not sound reasoning.
Once again, nobody has any issue with your preference of the KJV. You do seem to have an a priori bias against the NIV though. Perhaps you should consider the deeper reasons why; I suspect that it isn't about isolated verses.
Your criticism of the NIV in this case doesn't stand up to examination. You took one NIV verse out of context, and compared it with the KJV verse in context. That's not sound reasoning.
Once again, nobody has any issue with your preference of the KJV. You do seem to have an a priori bias against the NIV though. Perhaps you should consider the deeper reasons why; I suspect that it isn't about isolated verses.