KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES
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Would the work of the Holy Spirit contradict itself? You say the KJV is the word of God, then you say the other versions are the work of the Holy Spirit. They all contradict each other and contain different truths. You can't have it your way. One of them is the only word of God or none of them are. There is no other choice.
I think the core of misunderstanding is in how you define "word of God".
1) You are too technical, you believe that the book you have in your hand came out right of the mouth of God.
2) Most Christians mean by this term that all good Bibles present truths leading to salvation. That these texts are inspired by God, but presented to us by mere men.
1) You are too technical, you believe that the book you have in your hand came out right of the mouth of God.
2) Most Christians mean by this term that all good Bibles present truths leading to salvation. That these texts are inspired by God, but presented to us by mere men.
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So which is Christ's messengers, seventy two or three score and ten? Problem solved right... KJV is the spirit of Christ and all others are spirit of antichrist.
Deuteronomy 10:22 Thy fathers went down into Egypt with threescoreandten persons; and now the L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE] thy God hath made thee as the stars of heaven for multitude.
Judges 9:2 Speak, I pray you, in the ears of all the men of Shechem, Whether isbetter for you, either that all the sons of Jerubbaal, which are threescore and ten persons, reign over you, or that one reign over you? remember also that I am your bone and your flesh
Threescore and ten represents the spiritual children of Israel i.e. Saved people, people who are witnesses for Christ.
You see much debate about the "letter", in other words does this Greek word really mean so and so. The letter killers but Christs words are spirit and that spirit bringeth life.
Debate like this totally obscures the message of the Bible, the meat of the word is contained in the symbols and parables, the letter just brings arguments.... and it always has and will continue to do so.
Debate like this totally obscures the message of the Bible, the meat of the word is contained in the symbols and parables, the letter just brings arguments.... and it always has and will continue to do so.
So which is Christ's messengers, seventy two or three score and ten? Problem solved right... KJV is the spirit of Christ and all others are spirit of antichrist.
Deuteronomy 10:22 Thy fathers went down into Egypt with threescoreandten persons; and now the L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE] thy God hath made thee as the stars of heaven for multitude.
Judges 9:2 Speak, I pray you, in the ears of all the men of Shechem, Whether isbetter for you, either that all the sons of Jerubbaal, which are threescore and ten persons, reign over you, or that one reign over you? remember also that I am your bone and your flesh
Threescore and ten represents the spiritual children of Israel i.e. Saved people, people who are witnesses for Christ.
How do those numbers in Deut. or Judges prove anything at all about how many disciples Jesus sent out?
As I asked before, do you have any proof that the original manuscript said 70?
(1) Were you there and saw Jesus send out 70 and not 72
or (2) Can you prove the original manuscript read 70 and not 72?
Or, do you believe that something later written by another man(men) is what is inspired?
2 Cor 3:6, "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."
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Rom 10:17, "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
At the time this was written, the scriptures the OT, were the only written word, and the Holy Spirit gospel that Jesus died and was resurrected for our sins was the "hearing" through which faith came.
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Rom 10:9, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
So it is by hearing (understanding), and believing in the heart that brings salvation.
When we meet together in heaven with Jesus, we will have to leave this friend, the written Bible, behind.
But the Spirit behind the words, will carry us to Jesus.
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Rom 10:17, "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
At the time this was written, the scriptures the OT, were the only written word, and the Holy Spirit gospel that Jesus died and was resurrected for our sins was the "hearing" through which faith came.
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Rom 10:9, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
So it is by hearing (understanding), and believing in the heart that brings salvation.
When we meet together in heaven with Jesus, we will have to leave this friend, the written Bible, behind.
But the Spirit behind the words, will carry us to Jesus.
I"m sure you've heard this before about how the Bible interprets the Bible.
KJV "Is.5:22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink."
"Is.5:23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him."
"Is.5:24 -----because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel."
Verses 23 and 24 explain 22.
Is. 5:22 has nothing to do with drinking wine or strong drink. It has everything to do with departing from the truth and following our own ways.
Here are some other verses as examples.
KJV "Is. 51:21 Therefore hear now this, thou afflicted, and drunken, but not with wine."
"Jer. 51:7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad." (This is saying that we are following the sins of Babylon.)
"Is. 29:9 Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink."
"Is. 19:14 The LORD hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit."
Our LORD is using the example of drunkenness to help us to comprehend how fallen we are. We are drunken in the ways of the world. Our very culture is what we're drinking in. All the bling and excess has caused us to stagger in our walk. Our world has blinded us to the truth. So we have departed from God to follow our own ways. In the KJV Is. 5:22, it's our leaders, the people we look up to for guidance that are most guilty. They lead and we follow.
NIV "Is. 5:22 Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks."
My interpretation of this verse as (guys at a bar having a good time) though an attempt at lighthearted humor, is about right. The NIV people missed it altogether and wrote and meant it as actually drinking. I'm not wrong since that's exactly how the NIV readers have interpreted it. You can see that in this thread. Another sad part about it is since the authors got the first part wrong, the readers are left with interpreting the following verses as a consequence of being drunk. It's totally misunderstood.
The NIV has a pattern of doing this. They did the same thing in Prov. 23:30-35 and totally ruined it.
KJV "Is.5:22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink."
"Is.5:23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him."
"Is.5:24 -----because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel."
Verses 23 and 24 explain 22.
Is. 5:22 has nothing to do with drinking wine or strong drink. It has everything to do with departing from the truth and following our own ways.
Here are some other verses as examples.
KJV "Is. 51:21 Therefore hear now this, thou afflicted, and drunken, but not with wine."
"Jer. 51:7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad." (This is saying that we are following the sins of Babylon.)
"Is. 29:9 Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink."
"Is. 19:14 The LORD hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit."
Our LORD is using the example of drunkenness to help us to comprehend how fallen we are. We are drunken in the ways of the world. Our very culture is what we're drinking in. All the bling and excess has caused us to stagger in our walk. Our world has blinded us to the truth. So we have departed from God to follow our own ways. In the KJV Is. 5:22, it's our leaders, the people we look up to for guidance that are most guilty. They lead and we follow.
NIV "Is. 5:22 Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks."
My interpretation of this verse as (guys at a bar having a good time) though an attempt at lighthearted humor, is about right. The NIV people missed it altogether and wrote and meant it as actually drinking. I'm not wrong since that's exactly how the NIV readers have interpreted it. You can see that in this thread. Another sad part about it is since the authors got the first part wrong, the readers are left with interpreting the following verses as a consequence of being drunk. It's totally misunderstood.
The NIV has a pattern of doing this. They did the same thing in Prov. 23:30-35 and totally ruined it.
This is a repetition of your earlier error. You are quick to cite the full context of the KJV passage, and reference other passages that touch on the same subject, yet you pick holes in a single out-of-context verse from the NIV.
Your unbalanced approach to this matter empties your criticism of any value. You seem to have one standard for the KJV and a different standard for anything else, just like so many of the KJV-only proponents.
Your unbalanced approach to this matter empties your criticism of any value. You seem to have one standard for the KJV and a different standard for anything else, just like so many of the KJV-only proponents.