KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

[KJV1611]

Laugh out Loud! LoL! Actually, more like cry out loud!

How do those numbers in Deut. or Judges prove anything at all about how many disciples Jesus sent out?
As I asked before, do you have any proof that the original manuscript said 70?
(1) Were you there and saw Jesus send out 70 and not 72
or (2) Can you prove the original manuscript read 70 and not 72?

Or, do you believe that something later written by another man(men) is what is inspired?

If a person thinks Christianity started at Pentecost then I'm sure that person has no clue what 70 means in the Old Testament.

Nobody has any proof that the original writings said anything, the original manuscripts don't exist.

The character, precision and personality of God proves that the correct number is 70.

 

[KJV1611]

2 Cor 3:6, "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."

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Rom 10:17, "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

At the time this was written, the scriptures the OT, were the only written word, and the Holy Spirit gospel that Jesus died and was resurrected for our sins was the "hearing" through which faith came.

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Rom 10:9, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

So it is by hearing (understanding), and believing in the heart that brings salvation.


When we meet together in heaven with Jesus, we will have to leave this friend, the written Bible, behind.

But the Spirit behind the words, will carry us to Jesus.

I would say it would be more like our friend Jesus with appear to us bodily rather than spiritually through the written word as he has for the last 2000 years. The Word is the Word either way.

 

[KJV1611]

I"m sure you've heard this before about how the Bible interprets the Bible.

KJV "Is.5:22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink."
"Is.5:23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him."
"Is.5:24 -----because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel."

Verses 23 and 24 explain 22.

Is. 5:22 has nothing to do with drinking wine or strong drink. It has everything to do with departing from the truth and following our own ways.

Here are some other verses as examples.

KJV "Is. 51:21 Therefore hear now this, thou afflicted, and drunken, but not with wine."
"Jer. 51:7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad." (This is saying that we are following the sins of Babylon.)
"Is. 29:9 Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink."
"Is. 19:14 The LORD hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit."

Our LORD is using the example of drunkenness to help us to comprehend how fallen we are. We are drunken in the ways of the world. Our very culture is what we're drinking in. All the bling and excess has caused us to stagger in our walk. Our world has blinded us to the truth. So we have departed from God to follow our own ways. In the KJV Is. 5:22, it's our leaders, the people we look up to for guidance that are most guilty. They lead and we follow.

NIV "Is. 5:22 Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks."

My interpretation of this verse as (guys at a bar having a good time) though an attempt at lighthearted humor, is about right. The NIV people missed it altogether and wrote and meant it as actually drinking. I'm not wrong since that's exactly how the NIV readers have interpreted it. You can see that in this thread. Another sad part about it is since the authors got the first part wrong, the readers are left with interpreting the following verses as a consequence of being drunk. It's totally misunderstood.
The NIV has a pattern of doing this. They did the same thing in Prov. 23:30-35 and totally ruined it.

I don't think non-KJVer's will understand this because I don't believe that comparison exists in the other translations.

 

[KJV1611]

What do you think the KJV is? Do you believe it was magically conceived out of thin air into the chamber of Erasmus?

I believe the KJV is the God inspired inerrant word of God for the English language. I believe God directed the translators to write every single word exactly the way God wanted it written. Yes I do believe God is capable of doing this.

 

[KJV1611]

This is dangerously close to blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

I pray that God strikes me down dead the moment I start to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. My desire is only to share what God has shown me through the pages of the bible.

 

[KJV1611]

Perhaps you'll have time to respond later.

You're grasping at straws with this. Freemasonry did not exist until about the 1700's, though it is based on pagan beliefs that are much older. Drawing numbers from unrelated passages and claiming that there is some deep truth doesn't carry much weight, and it doesn't answer my question.

The religion of Freemasonry has been around since the beginning. It's the same religion as Babel, many groups subscribed to it throughout the ages.

There's a reason for every number used in the bible, for every phrase, for every word in fact. All of these tell the same story. You apparently aren't familiar with the number 72 in the bible and in occult religions.... there is a reason Muslims get 72 virgins when they die, there is a reason 72 families occulted the religion of Babel. The whole world revolves around the numbers in the KJV.

The Apotheosis of George Washington contains 72 pentagrams.

http://www.truefreethinker.com

Edit to add: They revere this number because of the mention of the 72 families in Genesis, it represents their rebellion against God and his word.

 

[nddreamer]

Yep, you're right. They will never get it. I agree with you that the KJV is every bit God inspired.

 

[preston39]

What do those verses have to do with our receiving eternal salvation.......Anyone?

 

[KJV1611]

What do those verses have to do with our receiving eternal salvation.......Anyone?

I would say it hasn't nothing to do with salvation. I think the majority of the bible is writtent for those who want to go deeper with their relationship with Lord.

 

[preston39]

I would say it hasn't nothing to do with salvation. I think the majority of the bible is writtent for those who want to go deeper with their relationship with Lord.

K...,

You are correct.

While all The Bible is interesting to study.....my point is that we need to concentrate on those items which make us more righteous and presentable to the lost soul as a witness for Christ.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

I pray that God strikes me down dead the moment I start to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. My desire is only to share what God has shown me through the pages of the bible.

I hope you are never stricken down.
But I do advise you to stop spreading lies about The Word of God. There are many reliable translations. The Lord God has established them. To rage against them is to rage against God himself.

 

[KJV1611]

I hope you are never stricken down.
But I do advise you to stop spreading lies about The Word of God. There are many reliable translations. The Lord God has established them. To rage against them is to rage against God himself.

So in your opinion any book that slaps "Holy Bible" on the cover is a work of God... how about the gender bender NIV, is going against it going against God? Or how about the Queen James gay friendly bible?

 

[KJV1611]

K...,

You are correct.

While all The Bible is interesting to study.....my point is that we need to concentrate on those items which make us more righteous and presentable to the lost soul as a witness for Christ.

The blood of Christ makes us righteous, our works are filthy rags, but our focus should be on deeping our relationship with him through the word.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

You know that's not what I'm saying. I'll let you rage away at your own Straw man to your heart's content. The Lord rebuke you and your heresy.

 

[KJV1611]

You know that's not what I'm saying. I'll let you rage away at your own Straw man to your heart's content. The Lord rebuke you and your heresy.

How do you determine if a bible is from God or not?

 

[Budman]

So in your opinion any book that slaps "Holy Bible" on the cover is a work of God... how about the gender bender NIV, is going against it going against God? Or how about the Queen James gay friendly bible?

That one freaks me out to no end!

 

[Budman]

The blood of Christ makes us righteous, our works are filthy rags, but our focus should be on deeping our relationship with him through the word.

I like that. Well said!

 

[Nehemiah6]

There are many reliable translations. The Lord God has established them.

This remark indicates that you know little or nothing about modern bible perversions and how they originated. Take some time to dig deeper into this matter, since one cannot rely on what has been corrupted. The Lord God certainly had nothing to do with Gnostic corruptions of the Scriptures.

 

[John146]

This remark indicates that you know little or nothing about modern bible perversions and how they originated. Take some time to dig deeper into this matter, since one cannot rely on what has been corrupted. The Lord God certainly had nothing to do with Gnostic corruptions of the Scriptures.

She does not understand that there can be only one Bible that can be considered the pure, holy word of God since they all contain different words and different truths. If one of them is the true word of God, that would make all others false Bibles. There is no other choice. One or none.

 

[Laish]

She does not understand that there can be only one Bible that can be considered the pure, holy word of God since they all contain different words and different truths. If one of them is the true word of God, that would make all others false Bibles. There is no other choice. One or none.

Ok witch one is true the 1611 or the current KJV ?
They are not the same even if you exclude the printers errors. Like the using of the name of Judas instead of Jesus in a early printing of the KJV . That was covered up buy placing a tab of paper with the correct name.
Blessings
Bill