Should teachers in the US be armed?

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AdolfHipster

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Here is a thought! WWJD?
He would (did) die for the sins of the criminals. I'm unable to do that for these criminals wanting to kill people though. Did you even read what I posted in my response to your post, I am just curious your thoughts about it.
 
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I've read that before, but my thing is, if it's about saving children's lives, why not ban residential swimming pools?
I never posted anything about banning. I am not supporting any specific legislation. I adjust asking people to provide evidence for legislation they support (for instance incentivizing school personnel to carry arms).
 

Tommy379

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I never posted anything about banning. I am not supporting any specific legislation. I adjust asking people to provide evidence for legislation they support (for instance incentivizing school personnel to carry arms).
You can't find a study in the United States to support specifically arming teachers, it has never been done. Sometimes you have to try something.
 
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The problem with that executive order, it had no basis in any legislation authorising the president to make such a rule.
The president does not make law, unless it's a king you want.
Was Nicholas Cruz receiving Social Security benefits, for this rule to have had any effect?
1) I was answering a special question. The question was not about Cruz, so the point is irrelevant.
2) Do you think the rule was supported by Trump, and he signed it out because of his very close respect for the constitutional limits of presidential power? Then they could have made it into a law by congress.

By the way, executive orders are constitutionally accepted practice, that has been used by recent
president I know of. Is there any specific legal reason you think this one is not legitimate.
Can you give me a reference (a court decision, or a legal scholar discussion) on this point.
The little constitutional law I took was several years ago.
 
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You can't find a study in the United States to support specifically arming teachers, it has never been done. Sometimes you have to try something.
I responded to this point several times above. Your fingers are probably itching, but I recommend that you read a little
before using them.
 

JaumeJ

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PS.....wise of the world! Remember we are to love our enemies, turn the other cheek, and to pray for them.

Know what this means, and you will be in the family of God.....providing you practice this.
 

Tommy379

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I never posted anything about banning. I am not supporting any specific legislation. I adjust asking people to provide evidence for legislation they support (for instance incentivizing school personnel to carry arms).
And studies like that are often used to support gun control legislation.
I remember as a child, everyone seemed to smoke. I remember people smoking in hospitals, McDonald's, in line at the DMV, movie theaters, every restaurant, even the poles that hold up the ropes that kept people in line, jad ashtrays in the top.
Then someone decided, the smokers had to go to one side of the building. Smokers relented as it seemed reasonable. Then it was decided that smokers had to go outside..... again, smokers just wanted to be left alone, so they relented.
Then smokers were told they were too close to the front.... go down the street.
And on, and on, unril now, it's near impossible to find a legal place for a smoker to go.
People think the NRA is an evil empire of the evil Gun Industry. It's not, they are made of 5 million private citizens, who are taking a stand, instead of being shoved down the slope.
 

JaumeJ

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I am posting on the OP title mainly

. With failing vision it is very difficult for me to read a lot, some things do come in with lines separated and print in nice straight lines.......and soe things are kind of hard to read. Forgive me if I did not read all of your posts...most people do not, just answer to one here and one there.....God bless you. By the way,I pray daily for someone who used to attempt to kill me when I was a child, once hanging me and the rope broke and nother time attempted to electrocute me. There were other times, once putting me in a well.......I thank God for that person serveral times a day to this day. It is easy when you realize they do notknow any better. After about 60 years that person accepted Jesus Christ as savior and then passed away about three months later........I thank God his soul is saved and he will be with the family in the Kingdom forever, amen.


He would (did) die for the sins of the criminals. I'm unable to do that for these criminals wanting to kill people though. Did you even read what I posted in my response to your post, I am just curious your thoughts about it.
 

Desdichado

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Only if teachers are inclined to carry. Colorado, Utah, and Idaho are okay policy models in that regard.

Schools shouldn't look like TSA lines or Israeli border checkpoints. That's just bad for learning. I'd pull my kid out in a heartbeat even if the school was good!
 

Desdichado

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In any sane society, the only thing that should be militarized is the military.

Heck, sometimes even the military shouldn't be militarized. :p

End PSA
 

hornetguy

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This is from the Fortune Magazine article about it. It sounds like the law would prevent Alzheimer's/dementia patients from purchasing firearms... the phrase "mentally incapable of handling their own financial affairs" seems to narrow down the people being reported to just the elderly, or the severely mentally incapacitated.

Repealing this (on the surface) would not seem like it would have a huge effect on allowing the truly dangerously mentally unstable to purchase...(schizophrenic, those on mind altering drugs, etc...) since it doesn't appear to have been directed at them, anyway.

Still, it should have been left in effect, IMO.... knowing what very little I know about it at this point.

The Obama-era regulation, which was enacted after the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, would have required the Social Security Administration to send records of beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System. The measure would have affected about 75,000 people found mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs.
 

hornetguy

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1) I was answering a special question. The question was not about Cruz, so the point is irrelevant.
2) Do you think the rule was supported by Trump, and he signed it out because of his very close respect for the constitutional limits of presidential power? Then they could have made it into a law by congress.

By the way, executive orders are constitutionally accepted practice, that has been used by recent
president I know of. Is there any specific legal reason you think this one is not legitimate.
Can you give me a reference (a court decision, or a legal scholar discussion) on this point.
The little constitutional law I took was several years ago.
We don't know (at least I don't) whether that Exec Order was legal, or not. The American Civil Liberties Union seemed to think it was illegal.

Not that that is a huge indication that it was illegal....:rolleyes:
 
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We don't know (at least I don't) whether that Exec Order was legal, or not. The American Civil Liberties Union seemed to think it was illegal.

Not that that is a huge indication that it was illegal....:rolleyes:
Again: *read carefully* before commenting. Otherwise the conversation is really useless.

ACLU did not object about the legality, but about the merit. They thought it was unfair.
 
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This is from the Fortune Magazine article about it. It sounds like the law would prevent Alzheimer's/dementia patients from purchasing firearms... the phrase "mentally incapable of handling their own financial affairs" seems to narrow down the people being reported to just the elderly, or the severely mentally incapacitated.

Repealing this (on the surface) would not seem like it would have a huge effect on allowing the truly dangerously mentally unstable to purchase...(schizophrenic, those on mind altering drugs, etc...) since it doesn't appear to have been directed at them, anyway.

Still, it should have been left in effect, IMO.... knowing what very little I know about it at this point.
Trump administration could have changed it into law (it has the congress majority), improved
it, made it more comprehensive, more systematic, etc...

They just repealed it. I do not think it was a good choice.
 
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And studies like that are often used to support gun control legislation.
I remember as a child, everyone seemed to smoke. I remember people smoking in hospitals, McDonald's, in line at the DMV, movie theaters, every restaurant, even the poles that hold up the ropes that kept people in line, jad ashtrays in the top.
Then someone decided, the smokers had to go to one side of the building. Smokers relented as it seemed reasonable. Then it was decided that smokers had to go outside..... again, smokers just wanted to be left alone, so they relented.
Then smokers were told they were too close to the front.... go down the street.
And on, and on, unril now, it's near impossible to find a legal place for a smoker to go.
People think the NRA is an evil empire of the evil Gun Industry. It's not, they are made of 5 million private citizens, who are taking a stand, instead of being shoved down the slope.
It is really hard for you to focus and read, right?
 
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In any sane society, the only thing that should be militarized is the military.

Heck, sometimes even the military shouldn't be militarized. :p

End PSA
Lol...well...lol...I'll leave that to big old Uncle S.