KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

[trofimus]

Jerry Fallwell supported much the New King James Version rather than the KJV. He is not considered a KJVO man. I think of John Bunyan as KJVO also, further, The Orthodox Creed of 1679 was written by a group of General Baptists in England, with a desire to emphasize doctrines that were held in common by all Bible-believing Christians. The following is what they believed about the Bible: "And by the Holy Scriptures we understand the canonical books of the Old and New Testament, as they are now translated into our English mother-tongue, of which there hath never been any doubt of their verity and authority in the protestant churches of Christ to this day. All which are given by the inspiration of God, to be the rule of faith and life."

So I hope you are using the true 1611 version, because this baptist creed was not about 1769 version.

 

[MarcR]

Jerry Fallwell supported much the New King James Version rather than the KJV. He is not considered a KJVO man. I think of John Bunyan as KJVO also, further, The Orthodox Creed of 1679 was written by a group of General Baptists in England, with a desire to emphasize doctrines that were held in common by all Bible-believing Christians. The following is what they believed about the Bible: "And by the Holy Scriptures we understand the canonical books of the Old and New Testament, as they are now translated into our English mother-tongue, of which there hath never been any doubt of their verity and authority in the protestant churches of Christ to this day. All which are given by the inspiration of God, to be the rule of faith and life."

In the late 1960s and early 1970s I had a pastor friend who was definitely KJVO and said he got his KJVO stance from Fallwell.

I never had any reason to doubt him. I believe that the 17th century Baptist stance you just cited was regarding Scripture, NOT a particular translation.

 

[Joseppi]

"for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him"
Col 1:16, ASV

All things were not created in Christ.
All things weren’t created through Christ.
All things weren’t created unto Christ.

All things were created by Christ.
All things were created for Christ. (to do with as he pleases)

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

 

[KJV1611]

K...,

Whoa.
Are you saying that G-d was born of a virgin and did not always exists?

Are you saying that ...on the cross...G-d was talking to whom....Himself ....when Christ said..."my Father, my Father why has thou forsaken me"...? Since earthlings saw Christ..... and The Bible says ..no man has seen G-d...and if he did he must surely die...are you saying The Bible is conflicted there? et. al.

If that is your thought...you must have answers to a least 100 questions that position produces.

Yes...There is one G-d...our Creator. Yes...there is one Savior...Christ. Yes there is one Holy Spirit....The Comforter.

The Holy Trinity is alive and well.

Having said that I believe that Christ was G-d as needed to perform His duties while here. Or another way to say it; G-d gave Christ the level of power as needed to perform assignments as we see recorded in The Bible. The same thing.

l'm saying that Jesus who is the one God was talking to the Father which is the same one God. God is not bound by our constraints, he can be God in heaven at the same time he is God in flesh on earth. Both are the same one God or else there are 3 God's which I don't believe and I'm sure you don't either.

 

[KJV1611]

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

I agree with that and I did change when I got saved but at that time I was never exposed to the incorruptible word of God, that didn't happen until many years later.

 

[KJV1611]

What about a sustained attack on The Bible itself? A constant barrage of disinformation, falsehood and misuse of scripture to attack other Christians who read the Bible. The irrational claim that the Bible isn't the Bible? That it is full of lies. Is that not offensive?

It's certainly meant to be.

For 400 years Christ had no origin, he was not a son the gods, he was not God's one and only son. I can't with a clear conscious say that the new translations aren't antichrist when the Christ they teach is not the real Christ.

 

[KJV1611]

They can insult us and KJV1611 turns the other cheek and says nary a word. Its odd he has 1611 in his username and uses the 1769.

I got home late and Saturday was my wife's birthday so that was why I "turned the other cheek", I wasn't here. I honestly haven't seen anyone attack anyone other than your attacks.

 

[KJV1611]

OK... in that case "today I begotten you" is from eternity

So the only difference will be if it means His physical body or not.

No, the physical body of Christ was made by God 2000 years ago, it did not exist in eternity.

 

[KJV1611]

Uhm, now I am confused again... you just said that God is not in our time, so these terms cannot be put in one point in time, but just "are".

The physical body of Christ is not in time.... the eternal Being that inhabited it is outside of time. Does that make sense?

 

[KJV1611]

KJV was not authorized by God, but by English king, only.

How is it that you know for certain that God didn't authorize the KJV? God caused a high priest of Israel that hated Jesus to prophesy that Jesus came to die for his people... the guy hated Jesus and God still caused him to say exactly what God wanted him to say.

 

[KJV1611]

Why hath thou sayest the King Jamest Versionith of the Bible isith thoust onlyith valid versionth?

Also, your history section on the KJV is leaving out quite a bit of interesting fun facts . Shall I fill in some of the more interesting gaps for you?

Fill in some gaps lol I love that stuff.

 

[graceNpeace]

How is it that you know for certain that God didn't authorize the KJV? God caused a high priest of Israel that hated Jesus to prophesy that Jesus came to die for his people... the guy hated Jesus and God still caused him to say exactly what God wanted him to say.

And what possible evidence do you have that God did, in fact, authorise the KJV?
The answer: is exactly none!

 

[KJV1611]

And what possible evidence do you have that God did, in fact, authorise the KJV?
The answer: is exactly none!

I have many reason I believe so but you can't see what I see because you don't believe every word is right and that's where the miracle of the KJV is, 100 percent faith in every word.

 

[SovereignGrace]

And what possible evidence do you have that God did, in fact, authorise the KJV?
The answer: is exactly none!

Does personal opinion count?

 

[KJV1611]

Does personal opinion count?

Some how I don't think our opinions have any affect on reality.

 

[graceNpeace]

Some how I don't think our opinions have any affect on reality.

But that is all you have!

 

[KJV1611]

But that is all you have!

My opinion or belief has nothing to do with it, either the KJV is or isn't no matter what I believe. I base my belief on the evidence I have by reading it. But like I said a person that doesn't believe every word is right can't see what a person that does believe every word sees. I think God did it that way on purpose because all he really wants is for us to believe him.

 

[graceNpeace]

My opinion or belief has nothing to do with it, either the KJV is or isn't no matter what I believe. I base my belief on the evidence I have by reading it. But like I said a person that doesn't believe every word is right can't see what a person that does believe every word sees. I think God did it that way on purpose because all he really wants is for us to believe him.

And what evidence is that?

 

[KJV1611]

And what evidence is that?

I'll have to stick with things I understand. Do you believe the verse below word for word exactly as written or do you change it to mean something else?

Matthew 5:30 King James Version (KJV)

30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

 

[KJV1611]

Here's another, same question.

John 6:54 King James Version (KJV)

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.