KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

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Here, you have to be careful about a statement like that, because a lot that you were taught pertained to what you have learned for yourself. Those believers in earlier days, like our parents had knowledge of the word of God. You just could not see it at the time. You saw the surface of what they believed, and once you began to learn on your own, than you began to see what was underneath that surface. They saw the same thing.
I'm talking about things that can't be found in the bible.
 
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Your thoughts only, no scriptural support presented.
Romans 10:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

I don't see a bible mentioned anywhere in that verse.
 

Joseppi

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I don't know if there is or not, but we really should question what we have heard all our lives.
Question until you know the truth.
It isn’t right to be ever learning but unable to come to knowledge of the truth.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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I don't know if there is or not, but we really should question what we have heard all our lives.
Daniel 12:1 indicates end-time trouble that will be worse than any that has gone before.

Daniel 12 King James Version (KJV)

12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
 

Joseppi

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When I sincerely started studying the bible in ernest I foundl out that most everything I was taught can't be found anywhere in the bible.
I found this to be notable as well for them taught of man and tradition but not taught of the Holy Ghost by means of scripture.
 
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Daniel 12:1 indicates end-time trouble that will be worse than any that has gone before.

Daniel 12 King James Version (KJV)

12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Jacob had his trouble when Christ came the first time. I don't see 2 times of Jacob's trouble in the bible.
 

Gabriel2020

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yes, give some examples of what you were taught, that is not in the bible.
 

Joseppi

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I suspect you've addressed this previously... why do you equate the "incorruptible seed" with the word of God? Because of the parable of the sower? I believe it refers to Christ Himself, per Genesis 3:15 and Galatians 3:16:

Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Galatians 3:16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
1 Peter 1:22-25 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
 
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yes, give some examples of what you were taught, that is not in the bible.
All bibles have errors.
Born again and saved are the same.
7 year tribulation.
Flesh Jews are Gods chosen people.
I don't really have a list lol, but this is just a few.
 

Joseppi

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Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

I don't see a bible mentioned anywhere in that verse.
You quoted scripture.

The simplicity of the gospel is not grounds for a rationale against needing or studying scripture.

All scripture is profitable.
And all that was written before was written to teach us righteousness and truth.
 

John146

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Where can I find this "end times" tribulation in the bible? Seriosly, I have never seen a 7 year tribulation anywhere in the bible and I'm just wondering where you get this from.
Daniel 7, Matthew 24, Revelation 13
 

John146

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I suspect you've addressed this previously... why do you equate the "incorruptible seed" with the word of God? Because of the parable of the sower? I believe it refers to Christ Himself, per Genesis 3:15 and Galatians 3:16:

Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Galatians 3:16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

Again, Scripture making no separation from Jesus and His word.
 

Joseppi

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Daniel 12:1 indicates end-time trouble that will be worse than any that has gone before.

Daniel 12 King James Version (KJV)

12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
I argue that the Authorized Holy Bible is the book.

And note that the prophecy predicts that the book will exist and be available at the time of the end.
 
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You quoted scripture.

The simplicity of the gospel is not grounds for a rationale against needing or studying scripture.

All scripture is profitable.
And all that was written before was written to teach us righteousness and truth.
Show me scripture that says a person has to study scripture to be saved and I'll believe you. :)
 

Joseppi

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Jacob had his trouble when Christ came the first time. I don't see 2 times of Jacob's trouble in the bible.
Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Above is the context of 70ad when the days of vengeance began.

Whereas, the time of Jacob’s trouble is at the end, and out of which trouble a remnant shall be saved.

Jeremiah 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
11 For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.
 
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Gabriel2020

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Born again and being saved is the same. once you have repented of your sins and have recieved the Holy Ghost ,you are saved from that point on. The only way to loose it is if you turn from God and go back to your old ways. The Holy Spirit will depart from you. The Israelites flesh is God's chosen, including the Jews, which is one of the twelve tribes of Israel. They are the only tribe that did not turn their backs on God. God's heart is in Jerusalem. You have to remember that we Gentiles are not his chosen people, but we have been granted the right to be heirs and joint heirs in the Kingdom. The only person in the bible that I know that had the Holy Spirit and it departed from him was King Saul who rejected the word of God after having the knowledge.
 

Gabriel2020

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If a believer does something that is considered a sin and he do not know it is a sin, then to him it is not sin.. Only if you have learned what things are sinful and you do them are you held accountable. That is called an ignorant person, because he have ignored the truth he have learned.