KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

[MarcR]

All bibles have errors.
Born again and saved are the same.
7 year tribulation.
Flesh Jews are Gods chosen people.
I don't really have a list lol, but this is just a few.

All bibles have errors. This is an unfortunate response to the KJVO position that all other versions have errors. All the minor or even substantial deviations from the Original languages are NOT of such a nature as to compromise God's intended message whether in the KJV or in other versions. When said, it was NEVER intended to suggest that the Bibles we have available are not trustworthy.

All other items on your list are, IMO, your own misunderstanding.

 

[nddreamer]

Can mean? Which meaning did God intend? That's the only thing that matters and it's not possible to get that meaning unless God inspired the translator to translate it God's intended way.

If words have multiple meanings and translators chose the meaning they want, then we don't even come close to having the inerrant word of God. Even if the translator footnotes the alternate meaning then the reader has to determine which version God intened.

How can anybody expect to come to the truth like that? If this were any book other than the bible people would laugh at that method of coming to truth.

I'm with you. Some have nuanced themselves into irrelevance.

 

[Musicus]

All bibles have errors. This is an unfortunate response to the KJVO position that all other versions have errors. All the minor or even substantial deviations from the Original languages are NOT of such a nature as to compromise God's intended message whether in the KJV or in other versions. When said, it was NEVER intended to suggest that the Bibles we have available are not trustworthy.

All other items on your list are, IMO, your own misunderstanding.

I study by reading and comparing all the versions I have at hand, and I am usually concerned over a present situation in my life, and I look to the Word for guidance. When I get mixed meanings I ask God (pray) via Holy Spirit to clarify it. He always does, and pertaining to my situation, He makes it personal. There is always at least two out of all the translations that back it up. None of the versions, alone, without prayer, address everything in my life. Just not specific enough. It's the prayer that fill the gaps.

In other words, God personally clears up these multiple meanings for me in prayer. Doesn't He do this this for y'all?

 

[KJV1611]

All bibles have errors. This is an unfortunate response to the KJVO position that all other versions have errors. All the minor or even substantial deviations from the Original languages are NOT of such a nature as to compromise God's intended message whether in the KJV or in other versions. When said, it was NEVER intended to suggest that the Bibles we have available are not trustworthy.

All other items on your list are, IMO, your own misunderstanding.

Don’t you think that you’re not really qualified to judge the inerrancy of any bible when you never take the words at face value. You’re constantly swapping the words to something you think is more correct and you’re making the changes based on 2000 year old words that you readily admit have changed meaning over the years and the Greek words have multiple meanings.

Is this really a sound practice, changing words based on 2000 year old words that have changed meaning over time?

 

[KJV1611]

I study by reading and comparing all the versions I have at hand, and I am usually concerned over a present situation in my life, and I look to the Word for guidance. When I get mixed meanings I ask God (pray) via Holy Spirit to clarify it. He always does, and pertaining to my situation, He makes it personal. There is always at least two out of all the translations that back it up. None of the versions, alone, without prayer, address everything in my life. Just not specific enough. It's the prayer that fill the gaps.

In other words, God personally clears up these multiple meanings for me in prayer. Doesn't He do this this for y'all?

Yes he does, and God can use any bible he wants to do that. Understanding the deeper things is where the KJV stands alone. The deeper things about God, salvation, the bride of Christ etc, can only be found in the KJV.... That's where the symbolic language is preserved.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Deeper symbolic things. Unicorns

KJV

Num 23:22
God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.

Num 24:8
God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.

Job 39:9
Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

Job 39:10
Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

Psa 29:6
He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.

Psa 92:10
But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

If your original Hebrew disagrees with my original King James --- your original Hebrew is wrong. If your original Hebrew agrees with my original King James, your original Hebrew is right.

 

[Magenta]

Deeper symbolic things. Unicorns

KJV

Num 23:22
God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.

Num 24:8
God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.

Job 39:9
Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

Job 39:10
Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

Psa 29:6
He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.

Psa 92:10

But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.​

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[Locutus]

The deeper things about God, salvation, the bride of Christ etc, can only be found in the KJV...

I don't read this thread very often.

What a totally tragic, pathetic and un-substantiable statement....

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[Joseppi]

I'm sorry you feel that way.

Hey I’m probably wrong.

 

[KJV1611]

Deeper symbolic things. Unicorns

KJV

Num 23:22
God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.

Num 24:8
God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.

Job 39:9
Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

Job 39:10
Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

Psa 29:6
He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.

Psa 92:10
But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.

I know I know, the word choice causes an issue lol, but unicorns are real. A unicorn is an animal that has one horn. The unicorn in those verses you posted are a symbolic of Christ or bleievers in Christ I think.... I'm not sure exactly what it symbolizes but the symbolism is what matters, the animal type is irrelevant other than it has one horn.

 

[KJV1611]

If your original Hebrew disagrees with my original King James --- your original Hebrew is wrong. If your original Hebrew agrees with my original King James, your original Hebrew is right.

Here's the thing, I don't think think the KJV disagrees with the originals. I think peoples definitions of the original words are where the problem lies.

 

[KJV1611]

I don't read this thread very often.

What a totally tragic, pathetic and un-substantiable statement....

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Stick around you might learn something.

 

[MarcR]

What bruised the head of the serpent? Was it "the word of God" or was it Christ?

Jesus is the Word of God.

 

[Joseppi]

You really are way out of line to tell a man who confesses faith in Jesus that he isn't saved.

I referred to “got saved” as his claim that he is saved past tense, not that he isn’t a believer, a saint. So I said you haven’t got saved. As in not till Jesus comes.
He said he was born again, but the scripture says that can only be true if he is born of an incorruptible seed.
So, I’m saying he is of faith in Jesus, and that he is born of the word of God,and he’s saying he was born again without any reference to the incorruptible word of God.
So, I guessed he believed the once saved always saved doctrine.

So you expect to be taken seriously with THAT attitude?

I’m not the bible answer man. I’m willing to work at a real two way discussion but not a one way criticism without some study on the subject.
I guess I’m not gentle? He’s not a snowflake, seems to me.

I cannot believe you wrote that. A comedy I routine deffo!

no comment.

 

[MarcR]

You know that I don't know anything about Greek but I have to ask why should it be "entice thee to sin" when it's the same Greek word that's used in these verses?

Mat 11:6

And blessed is he, whosoever shall G4624 not be offended G4624 in me.

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Mat 13:21

Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. G4624

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Mat 13:57

And they were offended G4624 in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

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Mat 15:12

Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, G4624 after they heard this saying?

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Mat 17:27

Notwithstanding, lest we should offend G4624 them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

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Mat 18:6

But whoso shall offend G4624 one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

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Mat 18:8

Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, G4624 cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

In Elizabethan English, offended meant provoked to sin or disbelief, in addition to its present meanings. Provoked to sin or disbelief is the sense intended in the verses you cited.

 

[Joseppi]

The Holy Bible does NOT anticipate King James' authorization! The authorization itself says so!

I think it does.
Your incredulousness isn’t a proof of any kind.

 

[graceNpeace]

Here's the thing, I don't think think the KJV disagrees with the originals. I think peoples definitions of the original words are where the problem lies.

Well given that you have absolutely NO knowledge of the original languages you have absolutely no way of knowing, do you?

 

[Joseppi]

If you have two translations of anything: whether a book or a speech, whether secular or sacred; you will never have and should not look for word for word correspondence.

I look to see if the truth has been communicated.

The reason I believe the Authorized is because I found it to be true and without contradiction as the written word of God.

The reason I say modern bibles are corrupt is because I have read the corruption myself.

All the translations, that were not motivated by a cult trying to conform God's word to its own interpretation, are much more remarkable for their agreement than their differences.

They don’t agree.

I have posted the preface to the KJV on another thread; and it is clear that the translators, themselves, did NOT agree with your ideas of special inspiration, and in fact clearly agreed with those of us who oppose it..

What matters is the the actual text of the Authorized not the opinion of men.
I believe it’s God’s authored book because I’ve read it. And I’m a critic don’t you know?

 

[MarcR]

Psalms 17:7 Shew thy marvellous lovingkindness, O thou that savest by thy right hand them which put their trust in thee from those that rise up against them.

Psalms 17:7 Shew thy marvellous lovingkindness, O thou that savest by thy righthand them which put their trust in thee from those that rise up against them

Psalms 20:6 Now know I that the L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE] saveth his anointed; he will hear him from his holy heaven with the saving strength of his righthand.

Psalms 60:5 That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me

If that right hand that saves isn't Jesus then what is it, his literal right hand?

In Scripture, God is often personified with anthropomorphic terms.

In Ps 17:7 I believe that Jesus is being addressed His right hand literally or symbolically is being referred to.

In Ps 20:6, the LORD is Jesus.

In Ps 60:5 'right hand' is an anthropomorphism not Jesus.