The Rapture of the Church is not biblical.
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I don't know if the rapture is true or not, to be honest. But I don't care if it's true or not. I'm ready to move home and take everyone I can with me. And if I fall asleep however G-d chose for me to fall asleep when I was in my mother's womb. So it is what it is.... My only concern is get people saved and trust me that does not depend on weather if there is or not a rapture. There is a day in which a man shall die... That is what matters.... Who cares if there is a rapture.... if not or you get saved afterward .... get saved (that is all that matters) then die for Messiah.... This world is a vapor, even post/non post rapture.....
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The Messiah was cut off/crucified, at the end of the sixty ninth seven year period. At that time God paused the last seven years and began to build the church. Once the church has been completed, the Lord will gather the church and will pick up right where He left off with Israel in fulfillment of that last seven. It will be initiated by that ruler/antichrist when he establishes his seven year covenant with Israel. It is in the middle of the seven when he will put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings and sets up that abomination in the temple. It is at the end of the seven years when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom.
The Messiah was cut off/crucified, at the end of the sixty ninth seven year period. At that time God paused the last seven years and began to build the church. Once the church has been completed, the Lord will gather the church and will pick up right where He left off with Israel in fulfillment of that last seven. It will be initiated by that ruler/antichrist when he establishes his seven year covenant with Israel. It is in the middle of the seven when he will put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings and sets up that abomination in the temple. It is at the end of the seven years when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom.
Your calculation is wrong and the explanation thereafter is also wrong. I will still dwell on your 70 week calculation. Does Messiah come on the 69th week and also get cut off on the 69th week? how is that?
Dan 9:25"So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress. 26"Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolationsare determined.
Dan 9:25"So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress. 26"Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolationsare determined.
No, I'm not wrong. Been studying it for many years. I know God's plan and that last seven years is coming up. But prior to the resumption of that seven years, the church must be gathered, because during that same seven years God will also be pouring out His wrath on a Christ rejecting world, also known as the day of the Lord.
"Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing,"
7 x 7 (49 years) = Restore and rebuild Jerusalem
62 x 7 (434 years) = At the end of which Messiah was cut off/crucified
49 x 434 = 483 years
One seven year period remains to be fulfilled and that is what is coming up.
By the way, if you are thinking that the "He" of verse 27 is Christ, that is what your error is.
"Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing,"
7 x 7 (49 years) = Restore and rebuild Jerusalem
62 x 7 (434 years) = At the end of which Messiah was cut off/crucified
49 x 434 = 483 years
One seven year period remains to be fulfilled and that is what is coming up.
By the way, if you are thinking that the "He" of verse 27 is Christ, that is what your error is.
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I've been studying the same for months and i can see where you've been going wrong for years.
You are conveniently ignoring:
"..from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;..."
The messiah comes at the 69th week- explain please.
You are conveniently ignoring:
"..from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;..."
The messiah comes at the 69th week- explain please.
"Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolation's have been decreed."
You need to read the entire context:
"Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing.[SUP]g[/SUP] The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.
The Anointed One = Christ
The ruler = That future antichrist
Seven 'sevens = To rebuild and restore Jerusalem
Sixty-two 'sevens' = Messiah cut off (7x7 = 49 years x 62 x 7 = 434) = sixty-nine sevens or 483 years
"He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. ”
The "He" in the verse, is the future ruler that comes who will confirm is covenant with many. We know that the many is referring to Israel because in the middle of the seven years "He" that ruler, puts an end to the sacrifices and offerings and sets up the abomination in the temple. "He" will continue until the end that is decreed is poured out on him, ” the end being when Christ returns to the earth to end the age and has "He" that ruler, thrown into the lake of fire alive along with the false prophet.
YOU are correct its simple arithmetic. There are three sets of weeks mentioned. 1 Seven weeks in the first part of the prophecy 2 sixty two weeks 3 A final seven. If you take the first seven and add them to the sixty two you come up with sixty nine. It says that AFTER the sixty two weeks the Messiah will be cut off not during or at the end but because that doesnt fit in with the rest of the Dispensational pre conceived fantasy those who believe it ignore this fact and continue to insist it takes place in the sixty ninth,(62nd) week.
Aha, making it even worse; you put a coma between the messiah (anointed one), the ruler so that it means what you want to mean and what you want to mean is that the antichrist came before Jesus. So the antichrist comes in the 69th week as per your twist and Jesus dies also in the same week. So, 33 AD is the 69th week, can you show us how you got there starting with the year the decree was sent?
And if the antichrist was here some 2000 year ago, what is he waiting for all this time if he had only 3.5 years to operate in?
And if the antichrist was here some 2000 year ago, what is he waiting for all this time if he had only 3.5 years to operate in?
This may be of interest to some. There are a number of Parallels between Revelation and Ezekiel. I actually filched this from an earlier post. The originator is no longer with us but I am sure he wouldn't mind me bringing it to your attention again
1. The Throne-Vision (Rev. 4/Ezek. 1)
2. The Book (Rev. 5/Ezek. 2-3)
3. The Four Plagues (Rev. 6:1-8/Ezek. 5)
4. The Slain under the Altar (Rev. 6:9-11/Ezek. 6)
5. The Wrath of God (Rev. 6:12-17/Ezek. 7)
6. The Seal on the Saint’s Foreheads (Rev. 7/Ezek. 9)
7. The Coals from the Altar (Rev. 8/Ezek. 10)
8. No More Delay (Rev. 10:1-7 /Ezek. 12)
9. The Eating of the Book (Rev. 10:8 -11/Ezek. 2)
10. The Measuring of the Temple (Rev. 11:1-2/Ezek. 40-43)
11. Jerusalem and Sodom (Rev. 11:8/Ezek. 16)
12. The Cup of Wrath (Rev. 14/Ezek. 23)
13. The Vine of the Land (Rev. 14:18-20/Ezek. 15)
14. The Great Harlot (Rev. 17-18 /Ezek. 16, 23)
15. The Lament over the City (Rev. 18/Ezek. 27)
16. The Scavengers’ Feast (Rev. 19/Ezek. 39)
17. The First Resurrection (Rev. 20:4-6/Ezek. 37)
18. The Battle with Gog and Magog (Rev. 20:7-9/Ezek. 38-39)
19. The New Jerusalem (Rev. 21/Ezek. 40-48)
20. The River of Life (Rev. 22/Ezek. 47)
1. The Throne-Vision (Rev. 4/Ezek. 1)
2. The Book (Rev. 5/Ezek. 2-3)
3. The Four Plagues (Rev. 6:1-8/Ezek. 5)
4. The Slain under the Altar (Rev. 6:9-11/Ezek. 6)
5. The Wrath of God (Rev. 6:12-17/Ezek. 7)
6. The Seal on the Saint’s Foreheads (Rev. 7/Ezek. 9)
7. The Coals from the Altar (Rev. 8/Ezek. 10)
8. No More Delay (Rev. 10:1-7 /Ezek. 12)
9. The Eating of the Book (Rev. 10:8 -11/Ezek. 2)
10. The Measuring of the Temple (Rev. 11:1-2/Ezek. 40-43)
11. Jerusalem and Sodom (Rev. 11:8/Ezek. 16)
12. The Cup of Wrath (Rev. 14/Ezek. 23)
13. The Vine of the Land (Rev. 14:18-20/Ezek. 15)
14. The Great Harlot (Rev. 17-18 /Ezek. 16, 23)
15. The Lament over the City (Rev. 18/Ezek. 27)
16. The Scavengers’ Feast (Rev. 19/Ezek. 39)
17. The First Resurrection (Rev. 20:4-6/Ezek. 37)
18. The Battle with Gog and Magog (Rev. 20:7-9/Ezek. 38-39)
19. The New Jerusalem (Rev. 21/Ezek. 40-48)
20. The River of Life (Rev. 22/Ezek. 47)
I have seen every kind of explanation there is on this verse, none of them adds up. Even if you take that the messiah dies not in the 69th week but sometime later, then you have to explain how the messiah comes at the 69th week, lives for 33 years (about 4 weeks) and dies later but still maintain the last untouched week as per the prophesy.
Some people resolved to say that the messiah comes when He got baptized and 3 years later got killed so that the coming and the death are within one week (week 69), but the scriptures affirms that the messiah is born.
Some people resolved to say that the messiah comes when He got baptized and 3 years later got killed so that the coming and the death are within one week (week 69), but the scriptures affirms that the messiah is born.
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If the antichrist came at the 69th week, you can't call him the future antichrist, can you? Adding to your list of wrongs is not going to make it right at some point, you'll continue drifting on the wrong side.
When interpreting the 70 week prophesy, you have to consider that the antichrist will think of changing times and season and factor it in your calculations, otherwise you won't come near it. That's the reason the angel paused between 7 & 62 & the last 7. And cut off from the land of the living doesn't only mean dying - it is bigger than dying- read Isa 53:8.
Ask and it shall be shown you.
When interpreting the 70 week prophesy, you have to consider that the antichrist will think of changing times and season and factor it in your calculations, otherwise you won't come near it. That's the reason the angel paused between 7 & 62 & the last 7. And cut off from the land of the living doesn't only mean dying - it is bigger than dying- read Isa 53:8.
Ask and it shall be shown you.
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I have just looked up Daniel 9:25 in 21 different translations. (not all English) Although there is a coma in some there is no doubt it is a description of one person. The Messiah, The Anointed One. The Prince. The Ruler.
I can't find one that reads as though it's two different princes. So although the coma is there in several translations, it is indeed taking a very big liberty to make two people out of it.
I can't find one that reads as though it's two different princes. So although the coma is there in several translations, it is indeed taking a very big liberty to make two people out of it.
Daniel 9:26: "And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah (Jesus) shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people (Romans) of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary...."
Yes, Messiah was cut off/crucified (fulfilled)
The Romans then destroyed the temple (fulfilled)
The future prince who is to come (not yet fulfilled) - it gives a clue by saying the people who destroyed the temple (Romans) are of the prince to come, so we know the future prince is someone from the revived Roman empire.
Continuing......
Daniel 9:27: "Then he (roman prince) shall confirm a covenant with many for one week (7 yrs);
But in the middle of the week (3.5 yrs)
he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering (he will break the contract)
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”
There's a distinction made between "He" in V26 and "he" in V27. A capital letter is always used when God is mentioned, and a lower case for everyone else. This is just additional confirmation, because as I see it the prince in V27 is Antichrist, not Jesus.
None of verse 27 has been fulfilled yet, so it points to a future time.
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Interlinear: The Messiah The Prince
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