KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

[Dino246]

Joseppi...
I have tried to address this bluntly, and you have not caught on. You demonstrate little of the fruit of the Holy Spirit in your continual attacks on others who see things differently than you do. Where is the kindness, gentleness, and goodness? Where is the respect for fellow Christians? Your Bible tells you to treat others differently than you do:

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

Titus 3:2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.

James 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

Below are several examples of your unkindness from this morning. It is one thing to disagree with people and criticize ideas, but insulting people and maligning either their faith or their character is simply not appropriate for one claiming to believe in Christ.

Easter has nothing to do with Passover nor any pagan nonsense. Which is why it’s in God’s book. The devil is just a trouble maker and it’s amazing how people go along with his false assertions.

Your studying ancient pagan religions that are unrelated to true Christianity. It’s a useless, off topic, trivial pursuit engaged in to try a involve Christianity in pagan nonsense. Utterly meaningless. Of course heathens probably do study silly subjects.

Why then, are you found guilt tripping people? Romans 14 teaches you that others serve the Lord differently that you do. It is a dangerous thing to be hurting consciences.

And the intellectually prideful are the ones duped by the lie. While at the same time the heathen scholars invent corrupt bibles that attack the Holy Bible as their followers defend and ignore the corruption of scripture that is found in modern bibles.

You would find out you are caught up in modern spin doctoring.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Well I told you the truth, so I’ll leave it be, except to remind folks that googling will prove whether plagiarism is involved.

I'm not accusing you of plagiarism. You aren't publishing someone else's work and claiming it as your own. (as far as I know).But you are parroting falsehoods that were concocted by some mixed up people. You are repeating error.

 

[Joseppi]

Why do you suppose the Shorter OXford English Dictionary defines Easter as a pagan Goddess whose feast day is the vernal equinox?

Because corruption is spreading and you searched and found the spin you were looking for.

Why do you suppose that many stores sel fertility symbols like candy eggs and chocolate bunnies at Easter?

Because children like presents hidden in plastic eggs, parents like watching children find the hidden prizes, and no one’s conscience is fallen because no pagan rites and deities are on anyone’s mind.
You however can’t do so with a clear conscience, and you should not let your conscience fall.

Why are you so ready to speak without knowing what you are talking about? I would think it would be embarrassing!

No comment.

 

[KJV1611]

Easter comes from Eastre which means:

Ēostre or Ostara (Old English: Ēastre [æːɑstre], Northumbrian dialect Ēostre [eːostre]; Old High German: *Ôstara ) is a Germanic goddess who, by way of the Germanic month bearing her name (Northumbrian: Ēosturmōnaþ; West Saxon: Ēastermōnaþ; Old High German: Ôstarmânoth), is the namesake of the festival of Easter in some languages. Ēostre is attested solely by Bede in his 8th-century work The Reckoning of Time, where Bede states that during Ēosturmōnaþ (the equivalent of April), pagan Anglo-Saxons had held feasts in Ēostre's honor, but that this tradition had died out by his time, replaced by the Christian Paschal month, a celebration of the resurrection of Jesus.

Note 1 - The pagan connection can only be tied to ONE MAN'S writings (Bede). Only one person can be cited as tying Easter to anything pagan.

Note 2 - Even the one guy from the 8th century who claims that Easter was pagan in origin professes that even by the 8th century, that tradition had die out and it had been replaced by the Christain celebration of the resurrection of Jesus.

Note 3 - You guys that have bought into the Easter is a pagan holiday have been duped!

 

[trofimus]

Easter comes from Eastre which means:

Ēostre or Ostara (Old English: Ēastre [æːɑstre], Northumbrian dialect Ēostre [eːostre]; Old High German: *Ôstara ) is a Germanic goddess who, by way of the Germanic month bearing her name (Northumbrian: Ēosturmōnaþ; West Saxon: Ēastermōnaþ; Old High German: Ôstarmânoth), is the namesake of the festival of Easter in some languages. Ēostre is attested solely by Bede in his 8th-century work The Reckoning of Time, where Bede states that during Ēosturmōnaþ (the equivalent of April), pagan Anglo-Saxons had held feasts in Ēostre's honor, but that this tradition had died out by his time, replaced by the Christian Paschal month, a celebration of the resurrection of Jesus.

Note 1 - The pagan connection can only be tied to ONE MAN'S writings (Bede). Only one person can be cited as tying Easter to anything pagan.

Note 2 - Even the one guy from the 8th century who claims that Easter was pagan in origin professes that even by the 8th century, that tradition had die out and it had been replaced by the Christain celebration of the resurrection of Jesus.

Note 3 - You guys that have bought into the Easter is a pagan holiday have been duped!

Its always needed to provide sources when you quote something.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Easter comes from Eastre which means:

Ēostre or Ostara (Old English: Ēastre [æːɑstre], Northumbrian dialect Ēostre [eːostre]; Old High German: *Ôstara ) is a Germanic goddess who, by way of the Germanic month bearing her name (Northumbrian: Ēosturmōnaþ; West Saxon: Ēastermōnaþ; Old High German: Ôstarmânoth), is the namesake of the festival of Easter in some languages. Ēostre is attested solely by Bede in his 8th-century work The Reckoning of Time, where Bede states that during Ēosturmōnaþ (the equivalent of April), pagan Anglo-Saxons had held feasts in Ēostre's honor, but that this tradition had died out by his time, replaced by the Christian Paschal month, a celebration of the resurrection of Jesus.

Note 1 - The pagan connection can only be tied to ONE MAN'S writings (Bede). Only one person can be cited as tying Easter to anything pagan.

Note 2 - Even the one guy from the 8th century who claims that Easter was pagan in origin professes that even by the 8th century, that tradition had die out and it had been replaced by the Christain celebration of the resurrection of Jesus.

Note 3 - You guys that have bought into the Easter is a pagan holiday have been duped!

Easter is Babylonian. It only arrived with Germanic tribes by way of migration. You can't call people duped when you don't have a knowledge of history to back yourself up.

 

[KJV1611]

Easter is Babylonian. It only arrived with Germanic tribes by way of migration. You can't call people duped when you don't have a knowledge of history to back yourself up.

Show me the etymological trail leading back to Babylon.

 

[KJV1611]

Its always needed to provide sources when you quote something.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/easter

 

[Joseppi]

Fallacy: circular reasoning.

The poster claimed legalism was important and so I pointed out that if he thought so then why does he ignore corruption in the texts of modern bibles.

If you would treat all translations as Holy Scripture you wouldn't casually blaspheme the word of God so blithely.

The difference is that I know that the Holy Bible is a legal document, and that as such, it must be therefore, free of corruption.
In having found no corruption in the Authorized, I understand it is the legal testament it claims to be.
On the other hand modern bibles are admitted as being error ridden, and I have found corruption in them. So they can’t be legal documents.
And, obviously bibles contradicting one another proves that collectively they can’t be scriptural.

A person could suppose that no holy bible exists on earth.

I think that your belief is that all supposed bibles are equally corrupt.
But that belief denies the legality of any bible, and means that there is no legal proof of scripture existing in book form on earth.

 

[John146]

KJV1611,

"Ishtar" (a form of "Astarte") may sound similar to "Easter", but the two words are not etymologically related. Astarte is "עשׁתּרות (ashtarot)" in Hebrew. This name is derived from the word "עשׁתּרה (‛ashterâh)" which means "increase" or "flock" (Brown-Driver-Briggs’ Hebrew Definitions). "עשׁתּרה (‛ashterâh)" is translated as "flocks" four times in the KJV. Hence, the name "Astarte" or "Ishtar" is a Semitic word related to animal fertility. This makes sense because Astarte was regarded as a goddess of fertility.

The etymology of "Easter" on the other hand has nothing to do with "flocks" or animal fertility. "Easter" ("Ostern" in German) is a Germanic word derived from the word "east" ("Ost" in German). Today, "east" refers to the direction from which the sun rises. The direction of east goes by that name because the Saxon word "east" meant "dawn", "sunrise" or "morning". The etymology of "east" is as follows:

• "Old English east "east, easterly, eastward," from Proto-Germanic *aus-to-, *austra- "east, toward the sunrise" (cf. Old Frisian ast "east," aster "eastward," Dutch oost Old Saxon ost, Old High German ostan, German Ost, Old Norse austr "from the east"), from PIE *aus- "to shine," especially "dawn" (cf. Sanskrit ushas "dawn;" Greek aurion "morning;" Old Irish usah, Lithuanian auszra "dawn;" Latin aurora "dawn," auster "south"), literally "to shine." The east is the direction in which dawn breaks." (Online Etymological Dictionary)

There is nothing in "East" that suggests animal fertility. Hence the word has nothing to do with Astarte or Ishtar. Relating the Germanic word "Easter" to the Semitic word "Ishtar" is as fallacious as relating the English word "Baby" to the Semitic word "Babylon".

Btw, relating the word "Easter" to the sun rising in the east is starting to make more sense relating it to the Son's resurrection.

 

[Laish]

Show me the etymological trail leading back to Babylon.

I think it has to do with the Babylonian mythological goddes Ishtar. Her feast day was the first day of spring .
The celebrations started with sunrise worship. Some see a connection with the words Easter and Ishtar.
Thats a old one a lot of atheists bring up from time to time . Their are sources that look authoritative that deny and affirm each side . I thinks it’s a stretch to say the word Easter came from Ishtar .
Blessings
Bill

 

[Joseppi]

Prove it with evidence.

You can do the research. The research shows that the “Easter is a pagan holiday” began about the time of the beginning of the publishing of the modern bibles.
But Trofimus provided what most of you accept as proof, that pascha is the Passover lamb.
Therefore given that the context is persecution of Peter it is obviated that Easter; the celebration of the resurrection of the Passover lamb is the feast Herod waited for the end of.

 

[Joseppi]

Thats just your fantasy without any evidence.

The persecution of Peter, who preached the resurrection of Jesus, shows that the context is Christianity not Judaism.

 

[Joseppi]

Prove it with evidence. Making assertions of fact without evidence adds nothing to the discussion.

If you care go do your research.
I have done mine.

 

[trofimus]

The persecution of Peter, who preached the resurrection of Jesus, shows that the context is Christianity not Judaism.

Apples and oranges.

Persecution of Christians - yes.

Did Herodes want to present him to Jews after modern Christian Easter? No. After Jewish holidays called Pascha, as Luke said.

 

[KJV1611]

KJV1611,

"Ishtar" (a form of "Astarte") may sound similar to "Easter", but the two words are not etymologically related. Astarte is "עשׁתּרות (ashtarot)" in Hebrew. This name is derived from the word "עשׁתּרה (‛ashterâh)" which means "increase" or "flock" (Brown-Driver-Briggs’ Hebrew Definitions). "עשׁתּרה (‛ashterâh)" is translated as "flocks" four times in the KJV. Hence, the name "Astarte" or "Ishtar" is a Semitic word related to animal fertility. This makes sense because Astarte was regarded as a goddess of fertility.

The etymology of "Easter" on the other hand has nothing to do with "flocks" or animal fertility. "Easter" ("Ostern" in German) is a Germanic word derived from the word "east" ("Ost" in German). Today, "east" refers to the direction from which the sun rises. The direction of east goes by that name because the Saxon word "east" meant "dawn", "sunrise" or "morning". The etymology of "east" is as follows:

• "Old English east "east, easterly, eastward," from Proto-Germanic *aus-to-, *austra- "east, toward the sunrise" (cf. Old Frisian ast "east," aster "eastward," Dutch oost Old Saxon ost, Old High German ostan, German Ost, Old Norse austr "from the east"), from PIE *aus- "to shine," especially "dawn" (cf. Sanskrit ushas "dawn;" Greek aurion "morning;" Old Irish usah, Lithuanian auszra "dawn;" Latin aurora "dawn," auster "south"), literally "to shine." The east is the direction in which dawn breaks." (Online Etymological Dictionary)

There is nothing in "East" that suggests animal fertility. Hence the word has nothing to do with Astarte or Ishtar. Relating the Germanic word "Easter" to the Semitic word "Ishtar" is as fallacious as relating the English word "Baby" to the Semitic word "Babylon".

Btw, relating the word "Easter" to the sun rising in the east is starting to make more sense relating it to the Son's resurrection.

I agree totally and that's the same conclusions I'm coming to also... nice reseach!

 

[KJV1611]

I think it has to do with the Babylonian mythological goddes Ishtar. Her feast day was the first day of spring .
The celebrations started with sunrise worship. Some see a connection with the words Easter and Ishtar.
Thats a old one a lot of atheists bring up from time to time . Their are sources that look authoritative that deny and affirm each side . I thinks it’s a stretch to say the word Easter came from Ishtar .
Blessings
Bill

I've never seen any etymological links between Easter and Ishtar. John146 did a good job showing the differnces between the two in my opinion.

 

[John146]

I agree totally and that's the same conclusions I'm coming to also... nice reseach!

Thank you brother for challenging me on this. My eyes are starting to be opened to this thought.
A logical approach is to look at the time of the Passover celebration, there were multitudes of both Jews and Gentile proselytes present in Jerusalem. Herod knew that if he brought forth Peter to be killed before the assembled masses, they would have to make public the accusations laid against him. Peter might well preach a sermon in his defense. Peter had already preached sermons with the result that 3000 were converted at Pentecost and another 5000 on a later day. If several thousands more believed the preaching of Peter about Christ and the resurrection, he might well have a riot on his hands. Perhaps Herod thought it better to wait till the multitudes had gone home after the Passover week, and then deal with Peter in a quieter fashion.

It is not that Herod himself was celebrating an alleged "Ishtar", or the Jewish Passover or what would come to be called the Christian Easter. Rather, it is the Holy Ghost speaking here in Acts 12:4 and telling us what this Passover celebration would come to signify for the believers in a risen Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Joseppi]

Joseppi...
I have tried to address this bluntly, and you have not caught on. You demonstrate little of the fruit of the Holy Spirit in your continual attacks on others who see things differently than you do. Where is the kindness, gentleness, and goodness? Where is the respect for fellow Christians? Your Bible tells you to treat others differently than you do:

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

Titus 3:2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.

James 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

Below are several examples of your unkindness from this morning. It is one thing to disagree with people and criticize ideas, but insulting people and maligning either their faith or their character is simply not appropriate for one claiming to believe in Christ.

I read the examples and would hope someone would be so kind as to tell me the truth in the same manner as I tell others the truth.

I think that promoters of modern bibles hope that gentle kindness extends so far as to allow corruption in the churches.
I see the damage the corruption is causing and the love of God’s truth compels me to disturb the complacency of Christians today.

Also, readers are fully aware of the hypocrisy of the modern bible defenders on this thread, in that they are false accusers, mockers, etc...

 

[Joseppi]

Easter is Babylonian. It only arrived with Germanic tribes by way of migration. You can't call people duped when you don't have a knowledge of history to back yourself up.

There was no Easter holiday in Babylon.