God and Drug Addiction

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Magenta

Magenta

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Could you answer some of these questions please?

Are you saying that when you were lost, it made no sense to you that your life would improve if you lived sober rather than getting drunk and/or stoned all the time?

When you were lost, did
it make no sense to you that if you stopped lying, cheating, and stealing, your life would improve?

Are you suggesting that coming to believe in God to guide you to living a better way of life, free of the worst symptoms of addiction by following simple spiritual principles, made no sense to you, but you could readily accept the gospel?

That if you followed the simple suggestions of those whose lives had changed drastically by following Biblical principles, your life could likewise change for the better?

Since only a small percentage of people "make it" as you say, how many (what percentage) do you think are ready, in the condition they arrive in AA or NA, to drop their opposition to God, the Bible, and Jesus Christ, to accept the gospel message, over beginning a process of change by living according to proven spiritual principles?​

Thank you.​
 
Didymous

Didymous

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Comparing A.A. to the sharing of the gospel makes no sense to me. I know I went to meetings for years, never stopped drinking or using drugs. Why? Because I'd been taught that I was to confess I'd always be an alcoholic and a drug addict. It wasn't until I was saved that I realised that I didn't have to claim those addictions any longer. God delivered me. 12 step programs never did and never would. But if you wish to continue to try and convince me that I wouldve received the 12 steps as much or more than the gospel-then feel free. I don't even know what we're discussing any more, but I know this. I was saved, and delivered from bondage to alcohol and drugs, by believing in what Christ Jesus did for all. And again, I urge you to go to my people, many of whom are alcohol and or drugs. Go to them, and tell them to stop living wrong. Tell them to go to 12 step meetings. I think most other Christians, however, will choose to share the gospel instead. I've never heard of the great commission to spread the good news of the 12 step programs. I have heard of another, though.
 
Didymous

Didymous

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You can find my people in Yreka, Happy Camp, and Orleans-all towns in California. I'm sure they'd love to hear something from you.
 
Magenta

Magenta

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Didymous said:
Comparing A.A. to the sharing of the gospel makes no sense to me.
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Well, that is your problem, that you fail to see that Biblical principles are presented in the 12 step program, as a means of helping people who are looking for freedom from bondage, to people who are NOT ready to accept the gospel, set straight their paths before God.
 
Magenta

Magenta

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Didymous said:
I've never heard of the great commission to spread the good news of the 12 step programs. I have heard of another, though.
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Why are you being so rude? The 12 steps are ALL about developing and maintaining a PERSONAL relationship with God, and I have said so from the start.
 
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Pontiac

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Didymous, I will agree with you that meetings are the key to recovery from alcoholism ... The submitting to God, admitting the problem unto Him and asking for His help is the key ... You may not realize it yet, but being obedient to God, seeking His help and being willing to follow His principles is exactly what led to your recovery ... I agree 100% with you that what you often hear in AA meetings is false information ... One is not necessarily "always" going to be an alcoholic" simply because they once were ... I am living proof of this, as I never once attended any meetings to find my recovery and have absolutely zero desire for alcohol now and have not had any desire for it for over 20 years ... It was God that completely rid me of that desire and He can do the same for anyone else ... Whether you know it or not, it was following God and His principles that helped you ...
 
Magenta

Magenta

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Pontiac said:
Didymous, I will agree with you that meetings are the key to recovery from alcoholism ...
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How do you get the idea that he agrees with that, when everything he says speaks against it?
 
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Pontiac

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CORRECTION ... I meant to say : Didymous, I will agree with you that meetings are NOT the key to recovery from alcoholism ...

Magenta, I don't think He agrees with everything I've said ... I only think that he should ...
 
Magenta

Magenta

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Pontiac said:
CORRECTION ... I meant to say : Didymous, I will agree with you that meetings are NOT the key to recovery from alcoholism ...

Magenta, I don't think He agrees with everything I've said ... I only think that he should ...
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I see :) I agree that meetings are not the key to recovery, either. Developing and maintaining a personal relationship with God is the key to recovery, and that is what is presented in the 12 step program, which is offered in meetings. Meetings are a place people go for fellowship, encouragement, and inspiration, to share their experiences, strengths, hope, challenges, struggles, sorrows, and victories, too :) Many show up with preconceived ideas, but they are so beaten down and broken by their life's circumstances that they have what is called "the gift of desperation," because their fear of remaining the same has become greater than their fear of change.
 
7777pinacled

7777pinacled

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Didymous said:
Comparing A.A. to the sharing of the gospel makes no sense to me. I know I went to meetings for years, never stopped drinking or using drugs. Why? Because I'd been taught that I was to confess I'd always be an alcoholic and a drug addict. It wasn't until I was saved that I realised that I didn't have to claim those addictions any longer. God delivered me. 12 step programs never did and never would. But if you wish to continue to try and convince me that I wouldve received the 12 steps as much or more than the gospel-then feel free. I don't even know what we're discussing any more, but I know this. I was saved, and delivered from bondage to alcohol and drugs, by believing in what Christ Jesus did for all. And again, I urge you to go to my people, many of whom are alcohol and or drugs. Go to them, and tell them to stop living wrong. Tell them to go to 12 step meetings. I think most other Christians, however, will choose to share the gospel instead. I've never heard of the great commission to spread the good news of the 12 step programs. I have heard of another, though.
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thankyou very much for sharing.
not many people have any experience with this subject to comprehend what is going on in certain "programs.
program being the operative word.
Pretty disgusting if you ask me.
Tell a person that they will always be an addict, then enable them with an endless cycle of destruction.

The entire purpose of recovery is that a person can change.
And then provide the needs for that change and help them actually recover.
 
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Pontiac

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I believe in the three (3) step program myself ...

1) Admit to yourself and to God you have a problem that you cannot correct yourself ...

2) Submit to God by believing in Christ and asking Him to forgive you ...

3) Ask that God help you to correct the problem ...

I believe those are the only steps necessary ... It worked for me ... I never needed any other steps ...
 
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Pontiac

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AA and others make false statements ... One is not bound to always be an alcoholic ... That is like to say that the blind man was always bound to be blind, but we know that wasn't true because Jesus completely healed Him ... And Jesus can completely heal any alcoholic or drug addict in the very same way ...
 
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Alertandawake said:
It is not the illegal drugs that is the only problem, even prescription drugs can be a issue. Depending on the drug, addiction is a high risk and withdrawl becomes difficult.

Question, this is something out of my league, but if a child is born from parents that are both drug addicts, can that child born literally become dependant on drugs?? Is the child born already dependant on drugs?
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Is 3% a "high risk?" Because truthfully, that's how many patients given opioids go on to become addicted.

Dependency isn't addiction. It's dependency. Addiction is when the high becomes your life -- what you live for. Dependency means the body will react negatively when taken off the medication.

A baby will be born dependent on the drug, if the mother has been taken an opioid. (The father has no bearing on the child's state of birth, considering women are the ones carrying the child.) But not an addict. The baby isn't after a high simply because the baby has no idea of what reality is yet. She'll have to be weaned off the drugs, but not as an addict. As someone dependent on it.
 
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Pontiac said:
Yes, a child can be born addicted to drugs ... The sin of their parents can be born in them directly from the womb ... Not only drug addiction but the Bible speaks of sin following sin through generations ... If one has very good parents blessed by God, then God promises to bless their children ... He also promises to curse the children of those who willingly disobey him and choose to worship other Gods ... Although this is found in the Old Testament, before the arrival of Jesus, I would not totally discount that this can still happen ...
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No a child cannot be born an addict.

And this is why people think all opioid users are addicts.

And please stop adding to what the Bible really does say.
 
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Didymous said:
My mother drank when she was carrying me, and I was born craving alcohol, and drank any I could find as soon as I was able to walk to it.
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And you remember this? Or is this what you were trained into?
 
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Didymous said:
At the very heart of an addiction to alcohol or drugs is the simple fact that that such behavior is very self-destructive and insane. So yes, anyone preaching some repentance from bad behavior would've been not only rejected, but probably assaulted as well. I invite you to go to any of my people and tell them to change their ways and see where that gets you.
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I can already see what it got you. You were taught that you craved alcohol before you could even walk. AND, you believe them enough to think you have those memories.
 
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Didymous said:
Not sure where you get your numbers, because the big book itself states that only a small percentage of alcoholics make it. My facts are in my post. Maybe you should read again.
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A bit frightening declaration since you presented no facts in your posts. Just things you decided were true based on you.
 
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Pontiac

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A child can be born any way God wants the child to be born ... It can be born a genius, with defects, blessed or not blessed with certain gifts ... So, yes a child can be born with a dependency on drugs which is the same as an addict ... And "depleted" that is not saying anything against the Bible nor adding anything to it ... God can have a child born any way He chooses ...
 
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