KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

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trofimus said:
The fact that something is "enough" does not imply that it is all there is.

You simply cannot lock unending eternal God into one book. Whole the universe with billions of stars and planets cannot contain Him.
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No problem with this but you ain't gonna find what you are talking about now in any other book, or any other human source now are you?
 
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SovereignGrace said:
You're teetering upon RCC doctrine...please rethink. Please.
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It seems to me like "USA vs Russia". Thats what Russians say, beware!!

I do not take sides regarding truth. All human sides have something true and something false. Thats why I said my ground is simply truth. Without any adjectives (catholic, protestant, new, old, biblical, scientific...).
 
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trofimus said:
The fact that something is "enough" does not imply that it is all there is.

You simply cannot lock undending eternal God into one book. Whole the universe with billions of stars and planets cannot contain Him.
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But this one book is all we have that tells us about Him.
 
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trofimus said:
It seems to me like "USA vs Russia". Thats what Russians say, beware!!

I do not take sides regarding truth. All human sides have something true and something false. Thats why I said my ground is simply truth. Without any adjectives (catholic, protestant, new, old, biblical, scientific...).
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RCC avers that scripture alone(Sola Scriptura) is not enough, but also needs oral traditions, &c.
 
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graceNpeace said:
No problem with this but you ain't gonna find what you are talking about now in any other book, or any other human source now are you?
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I am not sure what you mean by this question.

Everything God created or does or allows gives us some information about Him.
 
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SovereignGrace said:
But this one book is all we have that tells us about Him.
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Uhm.... no. :)

For example I just read Leibniz - Theodicea. It talks about God.

My case proved :)


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You probably meant its the only book that is inspired..?
 
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Everything you look at on the earth from grass to mountains make you wonder who created it.
 
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KJV1611 said:
1 Chronicles 3 is the lineage of Christ isn't it? I'm not sure, I haven't looked into that yet.
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1Chr 3 traces the line of Solomon which would parallel the lineage of Joseph.

Luke traces the lineage of Mary through Nathan, IMO.
 
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Gabriel2020 said:
Everything you look at on the earth from grass to mountains make you wonder who created it.
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And not just that.

It also tells us what He is like. If there is order, elegance etc in His works, we can deduce things about Him.
 
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trofimus said:
Exactly. Final authority.

Not the only authority.

Also, there is nothing like "biblical truth". There is just truth.
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SovereignGrace said:
Since when did the scriptures quit being enough for the Christian?
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Extra-Biblical sources can be useful in witnessing to unbelievers when they affirm and establish a Biblical truth.

They are also sometimes helpful to clarify a Biblical truth when a verse can be understood in more than one way.

NOTHING that contradicts the Bible should be regarded as helpful.
 
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MarcR said:
NOTHING that contradicts the Bible should be regarded as helpful.
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Also, not everything that seems to contradict Bible is a real contradiction. Like the controversy with heliocentrism some centuries later. Church said that when Bible says the sun runs in the sky, it cannot be that we are actually running around a standing star.

Truth cannot contradict truth. Our views can be simply wrong, our work with Bible can be wrong as a work with anything else. We cannot lock ourselves in one source.
 
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trofimus said:
Exactly. Final authority.

Not the only authority.

Also, there is nothing like "biblical truth". There is just truth.
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SovereignGrace said:
But how do we know how to come together as a church w/o the scriptures? What I meant when I said the church is founded upon the scriptures, is that w/o the scriptures, we do not know how to have a church to begin with.
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I believe that if several people in a community are led to Salvation by word of mouth; and the Bible is unavailable and/or suppressed, the indwelling Holy Spirit can lead people into sound practices and there can be a church. When the Bible becomes available in such cases the practices of believers in such circumstances are often affirmed by it.
 
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I HAVE WITNESSED TO SOME PEOPLE THAT WERE THRILLED AND EXCITED ABOUT WHAT i TOLD THEM ABOUT GOD, JESUS AND SALVATION. THEY COULD NOT WAIT TO GET A BIBLE TO READ MORE. Sorry about the upper case, went to far to start over again.
 
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MarcR said:
1Chr 3 traces the line of Solomon which would parallel the lineage of Joseph.

Luke traces the lineage of Mary through Nathan, IMO.
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Agreed, an 1 Chronicles 3 only traces one of the Ahaziah's.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Agreed, an 1 Chronicles 3 only traces one of the Ahaziah's.
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So how do you account for the alleged second Ahaziah, other than with the difference in ages? You would need additional information beyond that for it to be accepted as valid. Why would Solomon's lineage only have one if there were two?
 
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Dino246 said:
So how do you account for the alleged second Ahaziah, other than with the difference in ages? You would need additional information beyond that for it to be accepted as valid. Why would Solomon's lineage only have one if there were two?
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There are 2 different ages and 2 different beginnings of their reigns. I think the lineage in 1 Chronicles is the lineage of Jesus, at least it matches the lineage in Matthew as far as I have checked it.
 
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KJV1611 said:
There are 2 different ages and 2 different beginnings of their reigns. I think the lineage in 1 Chronicles is the lineage of Jesus, at least it matches the lineage in Matthew as far as I have checked it.
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You check a piece here, a piece there and then just invent or assume the rest.

Such a construction will not stand. Have you checked all genealogies in Matthew, whether they fit with 1 Chronicles? If they do not fit in some places, you have a problem again.
 
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trofimus said:
You check a piece here, a piece there and then just invent or assume the rest.

Such a construction will not stand. Have you checked all genealogies in Matthew, whether they fit with 1 Chronicles? If they do not fit in some places, you have a problem again.
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My concern is not with the entire genealogy in Matthew, I just checked to see if the first part matched 1 Chronicles 3 and it does. Im sure the rest of it does too but that's not the point of my research right. Right now I'm interested in understanding the Ahaziah's age thing.
 
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