Christ's Gospel? Paul's Gospel?

[7seasrekeyed]

will you please stop acting as if everyone is stupid,

i KNOW no one is born again until they are baptised by the spirit, i did not ask that question.

jesus commanded the discipkes to go to all the world baptising he, in the name of the father son and spirit. Did he change his mind? Is it ok for a new disciple (born again believer) to say no to water baptism, yes or no?

actually she is referring to speaking in tongues etc

the Bible says we are SEALED with the Holy Spirit upon conversion

we are not baptized in the sense she is speaking of

you are speaking to someone who believes they are a prophet...and an OT one at that

therefore, you and everyone else here will be spoken down to because she hears directly from God and has visions and dreams and revelations on an ongoing basis

you can't top that. right.

 

[Incognito]

What’s your angle? What religious movement are you mixed up in? People who receive water baptism under the new covenant are not still under the law. All throughout the book of Acts we see new converts receiving water baptism.

I'm not affiliated with ANY ORGANIZATION for ALL are "shoot offs" from the RCC who have ENTWINED LIES in the Bible making EVERYONE believe WRONG e.g. TWO baptisms when GOD SAID "one" (Ephesians 4:5) and MORE.

Show me where GOD SAID "You must do one for the public?" WHERE IS IT WRITTEN (Isaiah 8:20)?

I KEEP ASKING YOU TO "STUDY" (II TIM 2:15)!

I KEEP TELLING YOU TO READ!

PAUL SAID "IT WAS UNDER THE LAW" WHEN HE SAID "JOHN'S BAPTISM WAS ONE OF REPENTANCE; SAYING UNTO THE PEOPLE THAT THEY SHOULD "BELIEVE JESUS WAS COMING" (ACTS 19:4)!

JESUS SAID "HE WAS GOING TO FULFILL "EVERYTHING" THAT WAS DONE UNDER THE LAW" (MATT 5:17-18) WHICH WATER BAPTISM WAS BASED ON PAUL IN ACTS 19:4!

WE SEE "NEW CONVERTS RECEIVING WATER BAPTISM" BECAUSE PETER "FORGOT" (ACTS 11:15-16) WHAT JESUS SAID IN ACTS 1:5 THAT "FULFILLED!"

STUDY!

 

[mailmandan]

LISTEN: John's water baptism WAS ONLY TEMPORARY UNTIL JESUS CAME; "REPENTANCE; BELIEVING THAT JESUS WAS COMING" (Acts 19:4)!

Do you agree with that? That's what Acts 19:4 says!

Not exactly. Paul asked them in verse 2 if they had received the Holy Spirit when they believed and their answer in verse 3 reveals that they were not yet believers. They had received the baptism of John but did not realize that Jesus Christ was the One to whom John's baptism pointed. Paul gave them instructions about Jesus and after they believed Paul's presentation of the gospel and came to saving faith in Christ, they were then baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus as believers.

 

[Incognito]

actually she is referring to speaking in tongues etc

the Bible says we are SEALED with the Holy Spirit upon conversion

we are not baptized in the sense she is speaking of

you are speaking to someone who believes they are a prophet...and an OT one at that

therefore, you and everyone else here will be spoken down to because she hears directly from God and has visions and dreams and revelations on an ongoing basis

you can't top that. right.

ETERNALLY-GRATEFUL: JESUS DIDN'T COMMAND ANYONE TO "GO BAPTIZE" IN MATTHEW 28:19!
Jesus NEVER said that.

• “The Baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the 2nd century (The Catholic Encyclopedia, 2, pg 263)"

In fact, Mat 28:19 never even mentioned baptism in its original text. It read, “Go ye, and make disciples of all nations in My name.”
WOE to the Roman Catholic abomination!

• “The Pope is of great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even divine laws... The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth." -Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Ribliotheca, " Papa," art. 2, translated.
• "The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate [to abolish, do away with, or annul] laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ." Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.) Ferraris' Ecclesiastical Dictionary."

7SEAS: YOU ARE JUST "LYING" ON ME!

"TONGUES" ARE NOT GIVEN EVERYONE (I COR 12:39)! YOU SAY ANYTHING TO MAKE PEOPLE NOT BELIEVE AND THAT'S THE WORKS OF SATAN! YOU NEED TO READ WHAT "GOD SAID" AND IF "HE SAID IT" YOU NEED NOT SPEAK AGAINST IT (I COR 10:21)!

I DON'T CARE IF YOU THINK I'M A "JACKASS" JUST LISTEN TO THE WORD OF GOD AND "STUDY" (II TIM 2:15)!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. Ephesians 5


according to the New Testament, there are to be no ROGUE prophets or rogue anybody else under no authority but their own

so, no one is their own authority. no one is called by God to be an OT prophet in the sense of what we read in the OT

ALL believers are sealed with the Spirit of God whether or not you speak in tongues. Tongues or other manifestations have no bearing on a believer's salvation

anyone saying otherwise, is preaching their own beliefs as the word of God says the opposite

personal revelations are not the final word. EVERY revelation, dream or vision is subjective compared to the word of God which is the measuring stick

there is an awful lot of hot air being blown around about a very subjective authority here that is an authority to itself. therefore, not valid, despite what it says

but don't let that stop anyone from arguing uselessly with it until it either takes it leave or is shown the door

go look up posts by this person. they are not indicative of someone with a genuine call of God on their life. not saying she is not saved...even though she will be quick to say anyone who does not agree with her is not saved and she will tell you that she can say this because she is God's prophet

be wise

 

[Incognito]

Not exactly. Paul asked them in verse 2 if they had received the Holy Spirit when they believed and their answer in verse 3 reveals that they were not yet believers. They had received the baptism of John but did not realize that Jesus Christ was the One to whom John's baptism pointed. Paul gave them instructions about Jesus and after they believed Paul's presentation of the gospel and came to saving faith in Christ, they were then baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus as believers.

DID YOU HEAR WHAT YOU JUST SAID?

PAUL ASKED THEM "HAVE YOU RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST SINCE YOU BELIEVED" (ACTS 19:2)?

THEN HE ASKED THEM "HOW WERE YOU BAPTIZED" (V3)?

WHY IS PAUL *ASSOCIATING* "RECEIVING THE HOLY GHOST" WITH "BEING BAPTIZED?"

THAT WOULD BE LIKE ME ASKING

"HAVE YOU BEEN TO THE BANK THIS MORNING?"

AND THEN ASKING "HOW DID YOU GET YOUR MONEY?"

THERE IS AN *ASSOCIATION* BETWEEN "A BANK" AND "GETTING MONEY" AS THERE IS WITH "RECEIVING THE HOLY GHOST" AND "BEING BAPTIZED!"

THEY WERE "BELIEVERS" BECAUSE THEY WERE "CERTAIN DISCIPLES" AS STATED IN ACTS 19:1!

"STUDY!"

NO ONE "COMES TO SAVING FAITH!" I CORINTHIANS 12:9 SAYS "FAITH" IS A "SPIRITUAL GIFT" ONE RECEIVES *AFTER* BEING BAPTIZED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT (I CORINTHIANS 12:13).

 

[7seasrekeyed]

ETERNALLY-GRATEFUL: JESUS DIDN'T COMMAND ANYONE TO "GO BAPTIZE" IN MATTHEW 28:19!
Jesus NEVER said that.

• “The Baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the 2nd century (The Catholic Encyclopedia, 2, pg 263)"

In fact, Mat 28:19 never even mentioned baptism in its original text. It read, “Go ye, and make disciples of all nations in My name.”
WOE to the Roman Catholic abomination!

• “The Pope is of great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even divine laws... The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth." -Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Ribliotheca, " Papa," art. 2, translated.
• "The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate [to abolish, do away with, or annul] laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ." Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.) Ferraris' Ecclesiastical Dictionary."

7SEAS: YOU ARE JUST "LYING" ON ME!

"TONGUES" ARE NOT GIVEN EVERYONE (I COR 12:39)! YOU SAY ANYTHING TO MAKE PEOPLE NOT BELIEVE AND THAT'S THE WORKS OF SATAN! YOU NEED TO READ WHAT "GOD SAID" AND IF "HE SAID IT" YOU NEED NOT SPEAK AGAINST IT (I COR 10:21)!

I DON'T CARE IF YOU THINK I'M A "JACKASS" JUST LISTEN TO THE WORD OF GOD AND "STUDY" (II TIM 2:15)!

yet you said in another thread that if one is not 'baptized' in the Holy Spirit, rather than water, they are not saved

you say otherwise now because you cannot tolerate any kind of correction

I consider you a blasphemer and here to cause dissension and spew hatred and create a bad atmosphere

we are told in scripture to not carry on the way you are doing. this forum has plenty of arguments and disagreements just the same. but you are behaving like a troll and have no understanding and lack wisdom

maybe you are a troll. who knows. whatever you are, you are certainly no prophet. you are simply a rogue person with a god complex and the sooner people see what you do and who you are, the sooner we can all just go back to the usual disagreements

people love correcting here so they are having a good time with a novel experience. that is all that is going on

you do need correction very badly though, but you will not receive it

don't hurt yourself with your angry and non-Christian reply

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

What’s your angle? What religious movement are you mixed up in? People who receive water baptism under the new covenant are not still under the law. All throughout the book of Acts we see new converts receiving water baptism.

I doubt you'll get a straight answer about what cult's teaching she's following. She likes to play her little prophetess game too much. If I had to guess it would be some Church of GOD group.

 

[Incognito]

17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. Ephesians 5


according to the New Testament, there are to be no ROGUE prophets or rogue anybody else under no authority but their own

so, no one is their own authority. no one is called by God to be an OT prophet in the sense of what we read in the OT

ALL believers are sealed with the Spirit of God whether or not you speak in tongues. Tongues or other manifestations have no bearing on a believer's salvation

anyone saying otherwise, is preaching their own beliefs as the word of God says the opposite

personal revelations are not the final word. EVERY revelation, dream or vision is subjective compared to the word of God which is the measuring stick

there is an awful lot of hot air being blown around about a very subjective authority here that is an authority to itself. therefore, not valid, despite what it says

but don't let that stop anyone from arguing uselessly with it until it either takes it leave or is shown the door

go look up posts by this person. they are not indicative of someone with a genuine call of God on their life. not saying she is not saved...even though she will be quick to say anyone who does not agree with her is not saved and she will tell you that she can say this because she is God's prophet

be wise

"Wise" like you (Hebrews 5:14; I Cor 2:14)?

You call GOD "A LIAR" in two or three different Scripture that HE brings to my remembrance right now by saying "There are no more prophets" (Acts 2:17 and Joel 2:28).

AND you want people to be "wise" like you?

What is a ROGUE prophet? I didn't see that one in Scripture (Isaiah 8:20)!

AND you want people to be "wise" like you?

I GIVE THE WORD OF GOD and IF you have a problem with HIS WORD; take it up with HIM!

IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GOD CALLING ME TO BE A PROPHET; TAKE IT UP WITH HIM!

 

[Incognito]

I doubt you'll get a straight answer about what cult's teaching she's following. She likes to play her little prophetess game too much. If I had to guess it would be some Church of GOD group.

SHE PROPHESIES THIS:

THERE IS NO MORE WATER BAPTISM FOR JESUS FULFILLED (MATTHEW 5:17-18)!

THERE IS NO HOLY EUCHARIST OR IT'S EQUIVALENT FOR JESUS FULFILLED (MATTHEW 5:17-18).

THERE IS NO "TRINITY" FOR IT DEFIES THE WORD OF GOD (I CORINTHIANS 12:11-12)!

DANIEL CHAPTER 4!

 

[mailmandan]

LISTEN: John's water baptism WAS ONLY TEMPORARY UNTIL JESUS CAME; "REPENTANCE; BELIEVING THAT JESUS WAS COMING" (Acts 19:4)!

Do you agree with that? That's what Acts 19:4 says!

You need to study harder.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gotquestions.org/amp/receive-Spirit-Acts-19.html

 

[7seasrekeyed]

all this RCC conspiracy stuff indicates alot of time spent on youtube

 

[Incognito]

yet you said in another thread that if one is not 'baptized' in the Holy Spirit, rather than water, they are not saved

you say otherwise now because you cannot tolerate any kind of correction

I consider you a blasphemer and here to cause dissension and spew hatred and create a bad atmosphere

we are told in scripture to not carry on the way you are doing. this forum has plenty of arguments and disagreements just the same. but you are behaving like a troll and have no understanding and lack wisdom

maybe you are a troll. who knows. whatever you are, you are certainly no prophet. you are simply a rogue person with a god complex and the sooner people see what you do and who you are, the sooner we can all just go back to the usual disagreements

people love correcting here so they are having a good time with a novel experience. that is all that is going on

you do need correction very badly though, but you will not receive it

don't hurt yourself with your angry and non-Christian reply

LISTEN YOU "PHARISEE!" YOU NOR I CAN NOT CHANGE WHAT "JESUS SAID" IN MARK 16:16-20 AND I'VE BEEN STATING IT FROM THE BEGINNING! JESUS SAID "IF YOU ARE NOT HOLY SPIRIT BAPTIZED YOUR ARE *DAMNED*" DOES THAT SOUND LIKE "SAVED?"

AND "GOD" CONSIDERS YOU "A BLASPHEMER" FOR NOT BELIEVING WHAT "IS WRITTEN!"

I KNOW SATAN DOES HAVE "A GOOD TIME" PLAYING WITH "SATAN!"

I CORINTHIANS 10:21 "YE CANNOT DRINK THE CUP OF THE LORD, AND THE CUP OF DEVILS; YE CANNOT BE PARTAKERS OF THE LORD'S TABLE, AND OF THE TABLE OF DEVILS" AND "UNBELIEVERS" OF HIS WORD ARE "DEVILS!"

 

[Incognito]

all this RCC conspiracy stuff indicates alot of time spent on youtube

WHY DON'T YOU GO TO YOUR VICEGERENT'S ENCYCLOPEDIAS!

 

[Incognito]

You need to study harder.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gotquestions.org/amp/receive-Spirit-Acts-19.html

I "STUDY" THE WORD (ISAIAH 8:20)!

YOU SEE WHERE YOUR "STUDYING GOOGLE" HAS GOTTEN YOU!

 

[mailmandan]

I "STUDY" THE WORD (ISAIAH 8:20)!

YOU SEE WHERE YOUR "STUDYING GOOGLE" HAS GOTTEN YOU!

I do study the Word and that article has presented the Word very well, But apparently, you just don’t have eyes to see.

 

[Nehemiah6]

LISTEN YOU "PHARISEE!" YOU NOR I CAN NOT CHANGE WHAT "JESUS SAID" IN MARK 16:16-20 AND I'VE BEEN STATING IT FROM THE BEGINNING! JESUS SAID "IF YOU ARE NOT HOLY SPIRIT BAPTIZED YOUR ARE *DAMNED*" DOES THAT SOUND LIKE "SAVED?"

AND "GOD" CONSIDERS YOU "A BLASPHEMER" FOR NOT BELIEVING WHAT "IS WRITTEN!"

I KNOW SATAN DOES HAVE "A GOOD TIME" PLAYING WITH "SATAN!"

I CORINTHIANS 10:21 "YE CANNOT DRINK THE CUP OF THE LORD, AND THE CUP OF DEVILS; YE CANNOT BE PARTAKERS OF THE LORD'S TABLE, AND OF THE TABLE OF DEVILS" AND "UNBELIEVERS" OF HIS WORD ARE "DEVILS!"

All caps and full of venom. I have reported you to the moderators and requested that you be banned. I would suggest that all participants do the same.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

All caps and full of venom. I have reported you to the moderators and requested that you be banned. I would suggest that all participants do the same.

possibility she/he is a troll?

sounds more and more like a troll

either that or needs meds or has forgot to take them

 

[Grandpa]

Before we go any further, let me ask you whether the Bible itself presents a rigid distinction between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant? If you agree that it does, then the idea comes from the Bible itself.

There is nothing "rigid" about recognizing covenants and dispensations, and anyone who goes through the Bible from Genesis to Revelation will note that God has dealt with humanity at different times in different ways. The student of Scripture will also note that God made several covenants throughout human history (in particular the history of the Hebrews and the Israelites).

Thus we have God's covenants with:

1. Noah (which covers one dispensation)

2. Abraham -- reiterated to Isaac and Jacob (which covers another dispensation)

3. Israel (Old Covenant) (dispensation of the Law)

4. Israel (New Covenant) which extends to the Church (dispensation of Grace)

5. And then we have the "dispensation of the fulness of times" (which extends into eternity)

There is a certain mystery and something hidden within each of these dispensations.

Wouldn't you say?

And I believe that this mystery and these hidden things are revealed in Christ Jesus and is the reason some believe it is the same gospel throughout the whole bible.

For instance, the gospel in the OT pointed to what Christ would accomplish.

The gospel in the NT pointed to what Christ had accomplished and what He is continuing to accomplish. New Testament in this instance being AFTER the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, to avoid confusion.

 

[Incognito]

I do study the Word and that article has presented the Word very well, But apparently, you just don’t have eyes to see.

You are looking at a "MAN'S" opinion that YOU THINK explains it very well. Did GOD tell you to do that? Is that how HE SAID we should STUDY? That's why so many sheep have been lead astray they run out and find a commentary think agrees with the way THEY THINK it should mean and remain IGNORANT!

"I would not have you IGNORANT brethren..." was on of Paul's favorite greetings!

GOD SAID "If they speak NOT according to THIS WORD it is because there is no light in them" (Isaiah 8:20)!