No, they don't look for Scripture which say "we don't have to confess" (since there aren't any) but they take the Scriptures which say "we do have to confess" and pervert their meaning. That is called deliberately twisting the Word of God, and that is the norm for Hyper Grace preachers like Joseph Prince and Paul Ellis. Their "gospel" excludes repentance, conversion, confession of sins, and dealing with present sins. And all of that in opposition to Scripture. Why? They seek popularity rather than truth, the praises of men rather than God. Sound Bible preachers -- by definition -- will not be popular. All the apostles were martyred or severely persecuted.
10 Reasons Sin Confession Is Questionable!!!
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well Ben is not going to 'clear it up'
he has been trying to convince CC members for quite some time now, that sin confession is quite possibly a 'waste of breath'..now those are his exact words that are repeated, as seen in his thread from October 2017. he asks the question and then provides his belief that we do not need to follow any teaching that provides for more forgiveness
but don't take my word for it
in that thread, he asks this:
and
and here is the link for that thread and the rest of the op which I repeated in part above
I've been reading old threads and in particular, comments made by those who espouse the 'we are forgiven and so we do not have to ask for forgiveness again' believers
those threads are really worth looking up for clarification and awareness of what has been represented by the same people over and over...some of whom are now banned...in either camp
what I believe, thinking about it, is that the major theme of the gospel...FORGIVENESS...is under attack and being represented in what I am calling the Third Covenant
Jesus plainly said we need to forgive and gave the parable of the unforgiving servant
now that is some harsh teaching and is being rejected and taught that that kind of 'sentiment' belongs to the OT and is no longer valid
to say this is a serious departure from the gospel as represented in scriputure, is to put it mildly
there will be dodging and flipping if the point is pressed and words will find themselves with new meanings
he has been trying to convince CC members for quite some time now, that sin confession is quite possibly a 'waste of breath'..now those are his exact words that are repeated, as seen in his thread from October 2017. he asks the question and then provides his belief that we do not need to follow any teaching that provides for more forgiveness
but don't take my word for it
in that thread, he asks this:
and
and here is the link for that thread and the rest of the op which I repeated in part above
I've been reading old threads and in particular, comments made by those who espouse the 'we are forgiven and so we do not have to ask for forgiveness again' believers
those threads are really worth looking up for clarification and awareness of what has been represented by the same people over and over...some of whom are now banned...in either camp
what I believe, thinking about it, is that the major theme of the gospel...FORGIVENESS...is under attack and being represented in what I am calling the Third Covenant
Jesus plainly said we need to forgive and gave the parable of the unforgiving servant
now that is some harsh teaching and is being rejected and taught that that kind of 'sentiment' belongs to the OT and is no longer valid
to say this is a serious departure from the gospel as represented in scriputure, is to put it mildly
there will be dodging and flipping if the point is pressed and words will find themselves with new meanings
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in the same thread I liked to, post 7, we read this response from MarcR
please note he actually changed his position after studying and finding that the word 'confess' is in the present tense, therefore indicating an ONGOING act and not a one time thing
I saw the same thing when studying it and I am not a professor of the languages the Bible is written in, but there are plenty of resources to check into to support a lack of ability in translation...or I should say ACCURATE translation
I would agree with Marc's sentiments in general with regards to 'periodic' acknowledgment before God. but again, that is between God and the individual. this does not add up or signify guilt either, but an acceptance of the actual thought and teaching of the Apostle John
please note he actually changed his position after studying and finding that the word 'confess' is in the present tense, therefore indicating an ONGOING act and not a one time thing
I saw the same thing when studying it and I am not a professor of the languages the Bible is written in, but there are plenty of resources to check into to support a lack of ability in translation...or I should say ACCURATE translation
I would agree with Marc's sentiments in general with regards to 'periodic' acknowledgment before God. but again, that is between God and the individual. this does not add up or signify guilt either, but an acceptance of the actual thought and teaching of the Apostle John
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not to bore anyone, but that tired argument that John was writing to Gnostics and or unbelievers is way off base
he starts his letter to believers as can be seen below
John does not suddenly change course and start talking about unbelievers
he uses the pronoun 'we' throughout and not 'they' or 'those' or any third party
but of course, if a person is out to 'prove' otherwise, the simple truth of the words will be addressed as either no longer binding or meant for people who either were a part of the group and left or had never believed
you can apply the principle above, change the meaning, recipient or relevance as needed to support your Third Covenant theology
The Incarnation of the Word of Life
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. 3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. 4 We write this to make our joy complete.
Light and Darkness, Sin and Forgiveness
5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
I John
he starts his letter to believers as can be seen below
John does not suddenly change course and start talking about unbelievers
he uses the pronoun 'we' throughout and not 'they' or 'those' or any third party
but of course, if a person is out to 'prove' otherwise, the simple truth of the words will be addressed as either no longer binding or meant for people who either were a part of the group and left or had never believed
you can apply the principle above, change the meaning, recipient or relevance as needed to support your Third Covenant theology
The Incarnation of the Word of Life
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. 3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. 4 We write this to make our joy complete.
Light and Darkness, Sin and Forgiveness
5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
I John
Hey Jimbone. 
To start with, when you read sin confession please understand that I am referring to sin confession for the sake of forgiveness (meaning an active pursuit of what is already provided by God for Christ's sake). I am not against sin confession as a means of transparency before our Father, and as an avenue of sanctification (by seeking deliverance, one admits to falling short and asks for help in resolving such issues).
You ask why is this topic important, and if we truly consider it, grasping the total forgiveness of sins that we have through Christ gives us peace. It enlightens us, if you will, to our reconciliation to God and how we may now have fellowship with Him (unhindered). It also brings out of us a heart of gratitude, and humility. We go to God, as our Father who's desire is to lead us into holiness and righteousness and not condemn us. As God's word says, perfect love keeps no record of wrongs, and it casts out fear. He remembers our sins no more, He doesn't hold them against us as if we must seek forgiveness or else. We don't go to the Lord out of fear of eternal damnation, for we are secure in Christ as our High Priest.
It is God's goodness that leads us to repentance.
In summary, addressing this doctrine, sin confession for forgiveness, upholds all that Christ accomplished (reconciliation to the Father, the forgiveness of all sin, no condemnation in Christ Jesus, eternal security, etc). It also rids people of condemnation that puts them through a whirlwind of emotions, of being in and out of Christ, saved and then condemned. It gives them peace with God. It glorifies God, the Father and Jesus Christ. Basically, it gets them out of this mentality of self-righteousness that they must be perfect, and instead gives them rest in Christ (that leads to sanctification, righteousness, and holiness).
To start with, when you read sin confession please understand that I am referring to sin confession for the sake of forgiveness (meaning an active pursuit of what is already provided by God for Christ's sake). I am not against sin confession as a means of transparency before our Father, and as an avenue of sanctification (by seeking deliverance, one admits to falling short and asks for help in resolving such issues). You ask why is this topic important, and if we truly consider it, grasping the total forgiveness of sins that we have through Christ gives us peace. It enlightens us, if you will, to our reconciliation to God and how we may now have fellowship with Him (unhindered). It also brings out of us a heart of gratitude, and humility. We go to God, as our Father who's desire is to lead us into holiness and righteousness and not condemn us. As God's word says, perfect love keeps no record of wrongs, and it casts out fear. He remembers our sins no more, He doesn't hold them against us as if we must seek forgiveness or else. We don't go to the Lord out of fear of eternal damnation, for we are secure in Christ as our High Priest.
It is God's goodness that leads us to repentance.
In summary, addressing this doctrine, sin confession for forgiveness, upholds all that Christ accomplished (reconciliation to the Father, the forgiveness of all sin, no condemnation in Christ Jesus, eternal security, etc). It also rids people of condemnation that puts them through a whirlwind of emotions, of being in and out of Christ, saved and then condemned. It gives them peace with God. It glorifies God, the Father and Jesus Christ. Basically, it gets them out of this mentality of self-righteousness that they must be perfect, and instead gives them rest in Christ (that leads to sanctification, righteousness, and holiness).
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you need to stop your bull, i have no problem discussing sin, it is and issue and i discuss it all the time,
Yes, you refered to scripture, no place in that scripture did it say we need to ask forgiveness, it says we are to CONFESS our sins, which if you would ever listen i say we not only should confess our sins to God but as scripture says to each other. Did you miss that memo?
typical blame shifting i have come to expect from certain people,
Yeah, again typical, you refuse t call out people who are sinning, and attack those who are calling hem out. Whatever. Did we not go through this with peter jens, fran, ISIT and a few others? Why is it only certain people we have these issues with and they all have issues with hypergrace, yet do not have a clue about what it is?
lol,, yeah i guess we as believers have no responsibility to call out people we see sinning, Who continue after being asked to stop by many others.
seems everyone knows what i believe, but the same group of people who keep going around telling a bunch of others what hey believe, yet have no clue,
should i add you to that list?
Here, let me give an example,
person A says he believes we should confess our sins to God acknowledging them as God told us to.
Person B comes and says person A is wrong, we need to confess our sins, and since person A says we do not have to confess our sins, person A is a heretic,
that is prety much what has been going on for far to long now. And NO ONE wants to call those people out (person B), and the ones wh do get attacked for doing it.
Yes, you refered to scripture, no place in that scripture did it say we need to ask forgiveness, it says we are to CONFESS our sins, which if you would ever listen i say we not only should confess our sins to God but as scripture says to each other. Did you miss that memo?
typical blame shifting i have come to expect from certain people,
Yeah, again typical, you refuse t call out people who are sinning, and attack those who are calling hem out. Whatever. Did we not go through this with peter jens, fran, ISIT and a few others? Why is it only certain people we have these issues with and they all have issues with hypergrace, yet do not have a clue about what it is?
lol,, yeah i guess we as believers have no responsibility to call out people we see sinning, Who continue after being asked to stop by many others.
seems everyone knows what i believe, but the same group of people who keep going around telling a bunch of others what hey believe, yet have no clue,
should i add you to that list?
Here, let me give an example,
person A says he believes we should confess our sins to God acknowledging them as God told us to.
Person B comes and says person A is wrong, we need to confess our sins, and since person A says we do not have to confess our sins, person A is a heretic,
that is prety much what has been going on for far to long now. And NO ONE wants to call those people out (person B), and the ones wh do get attacked for doing it.
Oh really? http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...n-confession-questionable-17.html#post3554732
What weird judgments you make sometimes...
What weird judgments you make sometimes...
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Confess does not mean ask frgiveness. It means to state, acknowledge admit you have done something. Like when we confess our sins to others, do you go and just tell your friends you have sinned, or do hou confess them, hiw do you expect them to help you if you do not tell them what it is.
Your losing credability here.
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yeah whatever dude.
Do you confess your sins to others, and do you ask forgiveness from them too? Even if you did not sin against them? The bible says we are to confess our sins to others.
James 5:16
Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much
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I am in a discipleship relationship. we meet once a week. And we confess the sins we struggled wiht the past week. so we can hold ourselves accountable to people who can hold us accountable. We also pray for each other, and speak of ways in which we can help overcome those sin issues.
then we botn go to God. confess our sins, and pray for each other that God will show us where we have failed to love him and others, and why we feel we have the need to serve self and not him, which is what caused us to commit the sins we are confessing anyway
And oh by the way, Since I started doing that, My sin life has seen great victory, I know longer have to hide my sin, Because grace is freeing, and we are all sinners..
then we botn go to God. confess our sins, and pray for each other that God will show us where we have failed to love him and others, and why we feel we have the need to serve self and not him, which is what caused us to commit the sins we are confessing anyway
And oh by the way, Since I started doing that, My sin life has seen great victory, I know longer have to hide my sin, Because grace is freeing, and we are all sinners..
I thought that might be the one you were referring to. That word (χαρίζομαι) doesn't really mean forgiven. It means to give graciously.
G5483 χαρίζομαι charizomai (khar-id'-zom-ai) v.
1. to grant as a favor, i.e. gratuitously, in kindness, pardon or rescue
G5483 χαρίζομαι charizomai (khar-id'-zom-ai) v.
1. to grant as a favor, i.e. gratuitously, in kindness, pardon or rescue
And be to one another gracious, compassionate, granting to each other, as also God granted to us in Christ! Ephesians 4:32
Literally you can go down a list of 59 translations and they all say forgive...(https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Ephesians 4:32).
Even so, what did God grant to us in Christ? FORGIVENESS, the remission of our sins.
This isn't the only verse stating we have forgiveness in Jesus Christ from God. Go back to the OP of this thread, there are many verses that explain exactly why we have the total forgiveness of sin through Christ.
Ephesians 1:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Colossians 3:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
Colossians 1:13-14 King James Version (KJV)
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
1 John 2:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
Colossians 2:13-14 King James Version (KJV)
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Romans 4:7-8 King James Version (KJV)
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Even so, what did God grant to us in Christ? FORGIVENESS, the remission of our sins.
This isn't the only verse stating we have forgiveness in Jesus Christ from God. Go back to the OP of this thread, there are many verses that explain exactly why we have the total forgiveness of sin through Christ.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Colossians 3:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
Colossians 1:13-14 King James Version (KJV)
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
1 John 2:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
Colossians 2:13-14 King James Version (KJV)
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Romans 4:7-8 King James Version (KJV)
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.