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Lynn, SEO was the furthest thing from my mind.
Most Calvinists blame everything on God, whether good or bad.
They shouldn't. They should learn who the enemy is.
God is NOT the source of your troubles.
Read the book, it might actually help you. THAT's why I posted the link.
Most Calvinists blame everything on God, whether good or bad.
They shouldn't. They should learn who the enemy is.
God is NOT the source of your troubles.
Read the book, it might actually help you. THAT's why I posted the link.
Sounds good, but is it true?
I don't think so.
If God's will is always done, why are we to pray for it to be done? Why bother praying at all?
Who is the god of this world [age]? 2 Cor 4:4
2 Tim 2:
26) And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
Whose will? God's? No..
Eph 6:
10) Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11) Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13) Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14) Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15) And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16) Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17) And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18) Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
I don't think most Christians understand the spiritual war we're stuck in for now. It's real.
I don't think so.
If God's will is always done, why are we to pray for it to be done? Why bother praying at all?
Who is the god of this world [age]? 2 Cor 4:4
2 Tim 2:
26) And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
Whose will? God's? No..
Eph 6:
10) Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11) Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13) Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14) Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15) And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16) Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17) And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18) Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
I don't think most Christians understand the spiritual war we're stuck in for now. It's real.
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I am struck by the oddity that you, of all people, would teach your son that we have control over a day. How many of those days would you have skipped all together, if you really did have control? I can think of some things I surely would have skipped, if I had control of life:
-- Sickness and death of loved ones.
-- My own sickness.
-- Hospitals and doctors would never be a part of my life.
-- Money would not have left the building... or more like, if it did leave, it would have been spent on fun stuff.
-- A novel would be published and on the shelves by now.
As for God not wanting this for us? Is he so incompetent, he just couldn't help it? Of course he wanted this for us. If this wasn't his plan, this wouldn't happen. I would think, of all people, you'd get that. Do you think that cancer was something that just kind of happened because God couldn't help himself, or did he have you go through that for lots of reasons?
I see the past as example after example after example of God showing us he is worthy. He is in control. He is sovereign. Thankfully, we are not.
-- Sickness and death of loved ones.
-- My own sickness.
-- Hospitals and doctors would never be a part of my life.
-- Money would not have left the building... or more like, if it did leave, it would have been spent on fun stuff.
-- A novel would be published and on the shelves by now.
As for God not wanting this for us? Is he so incompetent, he just couldn't help it? Of course he wanted this for us. If this wasn't his plan, this wouldn't happen. I would think, of all people, you'd get that. Do you think that cancer was something that just kind of happened because God couldn't help himself, or did he have you go through that for lots of reasons?
I see the past as example after example after example of God showing us he is worthy. He is in control. He is sovereign. Thankfully, we are not.
I have made it a practice to surround myself in praise and worship and the Lord's word. First thing as I rise.
We are not to be as ships that are tossed to and fro by events and emotions, and weather, and bad news and all that this life and world can throw at us.
Each and everyday the Lord thoughts for us are precious. Of peace and joy. We must focus on who we are in Christ Jesus. We are to rise to any occasion with the mind of Christ.
We are not in control you are so right but we are to stay in control. Rule number 1 seek you first the kingdom of God and his righteousness and all shall be given to you. A soft word spoken turns away wrath. It is not what enters but what proceeds out that defiles. Jesus came to save not destroy.
The mind set of Christ will control your day. We are to walk in the spirit.
If God is in control of everything, then how can it be an actual war?
Is God in control of you? To what extent? Do you ALWAYS do what He wants you to do? (I know I don't..)
If you don't, then in what way is God in control of everything?
Who is the god of this age? (2 Cor 4:4) What does it mean to be the god of this age?
2 Tim 2:
26) And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
Whose will?
Do you believe people are taken captive by the devil because it's God's will? I don't.
Acts 10:
38) How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
God was with Jesus, enabling Jesus to heal people that were oppressed by the devil. If you believe God is in control of everything, do you believe it is God's will for the devil to oppress people? So Christ was healing the very same people that God had given permission to the devil to oppress? How can it be God's will for the devil to oppress people and at the same time be God's will for Christ to heal those very same people?
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
Why are we encouraged to stand against the wiles of the devil if God is the one orchestrating everything, including putting His stamp of approval on the actions of the enemy?
It would be great if you could try to answer some of these questions rather than reiterating your belief that God is in control of everything.
Is God in control of you? To what extent? Do you ALWAYS do what He wants you to do? (I know I don't..)
If you don't, then in what way is God in control of everything?
Who is the god of this age? (2 Cor 4:4) What does it mean to be the god of this age?
2 Tim 2:
26) And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
Whose will?
Do you believe people are taken captive by the devil because it's God's will? I don't.
Acts 10:
38) How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
God was with Jesus, enabling Jesus to heal people that were oppressed by the devil. If you believe God is in control of everything, do you believe it is God's will for the devil to oppress people? So Christ was healing the very same people that God had given permission to the devil to oppress? How can it be God's will for the devil to oppress people and at the same time be God's will for Christ to heal those very same people?
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
Why are we encouraged to stand against the wiles of the devil if God is the one orchestrating everything, including putting His stamp of approval on the actions of the enemy?
It would be great if you could try to answer some of these questions rather than reiterating your belief that God is in control of everything.
I have read Job many times.
I believe that the devil is mostly veiled in the Old Testament, other than that he is an adversary. There is very little about him until the Gospels, where Jesus Christ made known the Father, and the wickedness of our enemy, the devil. In the OT, God is portrayed as responsible for both good and evil. Jesus Christ made known the truth.
I believe that the devil is mostly veiled in the Old Testament, other than that he is an adversary. There is very little about him until the Gospels, where Jesus Christ made known the Father, and the wickedness of our enemy, the devil. In the OT, God is portrayed as responsible for both good and evil. Jesus Christ made known the truth.
In a godless world there will be wars and rumors of wars right up until the end . We must remember we do not wrestle against flesh and blood but are to walk by faith, the unseen will of God that does work in us to both will and do His good pleasure... we work that out as a free gift not work for it to gain it. Called a imputed righteousness not of our ownselves... but a new faith, with a new heart and soul that can please God.
Two kinds of evil. Remembering the counterfeiter the god of this world always turn things upside down to take away the understanding of God.
(1) One form of evil that comes from sinning, violating the word of God and the other (2) theevil God brings like when God brings an evil on a nation by bringing another nation or consequence for disobeying the word of God.
Like David when he was incited to number the men. God brought an evil by sending David astrong delusion to believe the lie and destroyed many lives.
Or when Israel would go into battle as if they did wrestle against flesh and blood against anothernation and not include God not seen... in the planning. That kind of evil was self-defeating teaching them by grace not to go above that which is written.
Titus2:11-13 King James Version (KJV) For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly,righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and ourSaviour Jesus Christ;
His grace teaching them God loved them simply because he loved as in he is kind and tender heartedto those who do think they deserve His Love… a picture of the gospel (below)
Isaiah45:6-8 King James Version (KJV)That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lorddo all these things. Dropdown, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: letthe earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and letrighteousness spring up together; I the Lord have created it.
Two kinds of evil. Remembering the counterfeiter the god of this world always turn things upside down to take away the understanding of God.
(1) One form of evil that comes from sinning, violating the word of God and the other (2) theevil God brings like when God brings an evil on a nation by bringing another nation or consequence for disobeying the word of God.
Like David when he was incited to number the men. God brought an evil by sending David astrong delusion to believe the lie and destroyed many lives.
Or when Israel would go into battle as if they did wrestle against flesh and blood against anothernation and not include God not seen... in the planning. That kind of evil was self-defeating teaching them by grace not to go above that which is written.
Titus2:11-13 King James Version (KJV) For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly,righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and ourSaviour Jesus Christ;
His grace teaching them God loved them simply because he loved as in he is kind and tender heartedto those who do think they deserve His Love… a picture of the gospel (below)
Isaiah45:6-8 King James Version (KJV)That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lorddo all these things. Dropdown, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: letthe earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and letrighteousness spring up together; I the Lord have created it.
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I tried controlling events and how I react to them. If I had been successful, I probably still would. But the Lord shows us how much we need him in all things, and how much we can trust him, so why take back the reigns? I'm fighting not to keep taking them back.
I'm more for what Spurgeon said for today.
“In the world ye shall have tribulation.”
John 16:33
Art thou asking the reason of this, believer? Look upward to thy heavenly Father, and behold him pure and holy. Dost thou know that thou art one day to be like him? Wilt thou easily be conformed to his image? Wilt thou not require much refining in the furnace of affliction to purify thee? Will it be an easy thing to get rid of thy corruptions, and make thee perfect even as thy Father which is in heaven is perfect? Next, Christian, turn thine eye downward. Dost thou know what foes thou hast beneath thy feet? Thou wast once a servant of Satan, and no king will willingly lose his subjects. Dost thou think that Satan will let thee alone? No, he will be always at thee, for he “goeth about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.” Expect trouble, therefore, Christian, when thou lookest beneath thee. Then look around thee. Where art thou? Thou art in an enemy’s country, a stranger and a sojourner. The world is not thy friend. If it be, then thou art not God’s friend, for he who is the friend of the world is the enemy of God. Be assured that thou shalt find foe-men everywhere. When thou sleepest, think that thou art resting on the battlefield; when thou walkest, suspect an ambush in every hedge. As mosquitoes are said to bite strangers more than natives, so will the trials of earth be sharpest to you. Lastly, look within thee, into thine own heart and observe what is there. Sin and self are still within. Ah! if thou hadst no devil to tempt thee, no enemies to fight thee, and no world to ensnare thee, thou wouldst still find in thyself evil enough to be a sore trouble to thee, for “the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked.” Expect trouble then, but despond not on account of it, for God is with thee to help and to strengthen thee. He hath said, “I will be with thee in trouble; I will deliver thee and honour thee.”
I'm more for what Spurgeon said for today.
“In the world ye shall have tribulation.”
John 16:33
Art thou asking the reason of this, believer? Look upward to thy heavenly Father, and behold him pure and holy. Dost thou know that thou art one day to be like him? Wilt thou easily be conformed to his image? Wilt thou not require much refining in the furnace of affliction to purify thee? Will it be an easy thing to get rid of thy corruptions, and make thee perfect even as thy Father which is in heaven is perfect? Next, Christian, turn thine eye downward. Dost thou know what foes thou hast beneath thy feet? Thou wast once a servant of Satan, and no king will willingly lose his subjects. Dost thou think that Satan will let thee alone? No, he will be always at thee, for he “goeth about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.” Expect trouble, therefore, Christian, when thou lookest beneath thee. Then look around thee. Where art thou? Thou art in an enemy’s country, a stranger and a sojourner. The world is not thy friend. If it be, then thou art not God’s friend, for he who is the friend of the world is the enemy of God. Be assured that thou shalt find foe-men everywhere. When thou sleepest, think that thou art resting on the battlefield; when thou walkest, suspect an ambush in every hedge. As mosquitoes are said to bite strangers more than natives, so will the trials of earth be sharpest to you. Lastly, look within thee, into thine own heart and observe what is there. Sin and self are still within. Ah! if thou hadst no devil to tempt thee, no enemies to fight thee, and no world to ensnare thee, thou wouldst still find in thyself evil enough to be a sore trouble to thee, for “the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked.” Expect trouble then, but despond not on account of it, for God is with thee to help and to strengthen thee. He hath said, “I will be with thee in trouble; I will deliver thee and honour thee.”
Quite simple! We trust God because of who he is! It’s all about him, not your perception of signs and wonders.
You don’t know God very well, do you? You haven’t read the Bible very much, have you? Try reading the Psalms 5 times over. You will see the overwhelming picture of people who trust God because if who he is, not because of temporal circumstances!
You don’t know God very well, do you? You haven’t read the Bible very much, have you? Try reading the Psalms 5 times over. You will see the overwhelming picture of people who trust God because if who he is, not because of temporal circumstances!
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